EverQuote Inc (EVER) Q3 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

EverQuote Inc (NASDAQ:EVER) Q3 2022 Earnings Call dated Nov. 01, 2022.

Corporate Participants:

Brinlea Johnson — Investor Relations

Jayme Mendal — Chief Executive Officer

John Wagner — Chief Financial Officer

Analysts:

Ralph Schackart — William Blair — Analyst

Michael Graham — Canaccord Genuity — Analyst

Dan Day — B. Riley Securities — Analyst

Alex Bolton — Raymond James — Analyst

Danny Pfeiffer — J.P. Morgan — Analyst

Sam Salvas — Needham & Company — Analyst

Presentation:

Operator

Hello, and welcome to today’s EverQuote’s Third Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Bailey, and I’ll be the moderator for today’s call. [Operator Instructions]

I would now like to pass the conference over to our host, Brinlea Johnson. So, please go ahead when you’re ready.

Brinlea Johnson — Investor Relations

Thank you. Good afternoon, and welcome to EverQuote’s third quarter 2022 earnings call. We’ll be discussing the results announced in our press release issued today after the market closed. With me on the call this afternoon is Jayme Mendal, EverQuote’s Chief Executive Officer; and John Wagner, Chief Financial Officer of EverQuote.

During the call, we will make statements related to our business that may be considered forward-looking statements under federal securities laws, including statements concerning our financial guidance for the fourth quarter and full-year 2022, our growth strategy, and our plans to execute on our growth strategy, key initiatives including our direct-to-consumer agency, our investment in the business, the growth drivers we expect to drive our business, our ability to maintain existing and acquire new customers, our expectations regarding recovery of the auto insurance industry, our recent acquisition, and our goals for integrations and other statements regarding our plans and prospects.

Forward-looking statements may be identified with words and phrases such as we expect, we believe, we intend, we anticipate, we plan, may, upcoming, and similar words and phrases. These statements reflect our views only as of today and should not be considered our views as of any subsequent date. We specifically disclaim any obligation to update or revise these forward-looking statements except as required by law. Forward-looking statements are not promises or guarantees of future performance and are subject to a variety of risks and uncertainties that could cause the actual results to differ materially from our expectations.

For a discussion of material risks and other important factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from our expectations, please refer to those contained under the heading Risk Factors in our most recent Quarterly Report on Form 10-Q which is on file with the Securities and Exchange Commission and available on the Investor Relations section of our website at investor.everquote.com and on the SEC’s website at sec.gov.

Finally, during the course of today’s call, we’ll refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe are helpful to investors. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures is included in the press release we issued after the market close today, which is available on the Investor Relations section of our website at investors.everquote.com.

And with that, I’ll turn it over to you, Jayme.

Jayme Mendal — Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Brinlea, and thank you all for joining us today. Third quarter performance demonstrated our continued agility as we quickly adapted our operations to a changing environment and exceeded expectations across our three primary financial KPIs, producing revenue of $103.2 million, variable marketing margin or VMM of $31.8 million, and adjusted EBITDA of $2 million, despite ongoing headwinds in the auto insurance industry.

The state of the auto insurance market remains unsettled. In August, we began to see the first major carrier return to more normalized historical spending patterns, as they started to restore rates and profitability to their desired levels. While this positive dynamic drove better-than-expected Q3 performance, Hurricane Ian, expected to be among the largest loss events in history, has put significant incremental downward pressure on the market and on carriers marketing spend through year end. As a result, we continue to expect the bulk of the auto recovery to materialize in 2023.

Despite a challenging backdrop, we executed well in Q3 and continued to make progress on several fronts across our business. On the consumer side of the marketplace, we grew consumer volume by 27% year-on-year through strong execution from our customer acquisition teams. On the provider side of our marketplace, agent-oriented distribution channels continue to demonstrate relative strength and resilience. Feedback from multiple carrier partners indicates that EverQuote is the largest and highest-performing referral partner to their local agents. In addition, data suggests EverQuote has gained market share since the start of the downturn and we also continue to make strides on longer-term strategic initiatives.

Our direct-to-consumer agency or DTCA continues to perform well. However, we have moderated agent headcount growth, relative to earlier plans, as part of tighter company-wide operating expense management efforts, and in order to prioritize improving our unit economics before further scaling. While these changes come at the expense of near-term revenue growth, including our — in our health vertical in Q4, we believe that it is the appropriate trade-off as we seek to build a durable long-term model for our DTCA operations that delivers appropriate financial returns on our capital investment.

We have been able to navigate efficiently through this period by maintaining disciplined expense management. In our ad spend, customer acquisition teams and systems are continuously adjusting bids in real-time to maximize margin, as carrier demand shifts. In our operating expenses, we continue to drive productivity enhancements and efficiencies across the entire organization. We believe that these improvements have positioned us to maintain positive adjusted EBITDA for 2022.

In closing, we maintain conviction in our strategy and team and believe we are well positioned looking ahead to 2023. Now in our second year of the auto downturn, we have leaned out operations, advanced our strategy and gained market share. We believe these factors bode well for our future as the auto carrier market recovers. And we’re more confident by the day that we are on the path to building an industry-defining company with long-term vision is to become the largest online source of insurance policies, by combining data, tech and knowledgeable advisors to make insurance simpler, more affordable and personalized.

Now, I’ll turn the call over to John to provide more details on our financial results.

John Wagner — Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Jayme, and good afternoon, everyone. I’ll start by discussing our financial results for the third quarter and then provide guidance for the fourth quarter and updated guidance for the full-year 2022. I’m pleased to report that we exceeded our prior guidance on all our key metrics this quarter and have raised guidance for the full-year 2022.

Total revenue for Q3 was $103.2 million, a decline of 4% year-over-year and above our guidance range provided last quarter, a strong growth in consumer volume nearly offset reductions in monetization that resulted from the auto insurance industry downturn. Within the auto insurance vertical, carrier demand remains at low levels due to the industry pullback in carrier spending. However, we experienced some stability in demand within the quarter and a notable increase in consumer acquisition activity by one major carrier. Though [12.47] limited, we were encouraged by the first instance of a carrier increasing spending on consumer acquisition after achieving adequate rate increases.

Consumer volumes increased significantly again this quarter with year-over-year growth consistent with that of Q2. These consumer volume gains largely offset lower monetization and resulted in revenue in our auto insurance vertical decreasing only 2% year-over-year to $88.1 million. We drove more volume at lower cost due to continued nimble consumer acquisition and an industry-reported increase in consumer shopping behavior in reaction to premium increases.

Revenue from our other insurance verticals, which includes home and renters, life and health insurance decreased 16% year-over-year to $15.1 million for the third quarter and represented 15% of revenue. The decline was caused by a combination of lower demand in certain verticals and a proactive reduction in dedicated resources to align our cost structure with the current market conditions.

Within health DTCA, revenue growth slowed as expected based on planned moderation in agent growth and our emphasis on seeking to optimize unit economics and improve cash usage of DTCA. Variable marketing margin or VMM defined as revenue less advertising expense was $31.8 million for the third quarter above our guidance range provided last quarter. VMM improvement was due to the stabilization and targeted improvement in auto carrier demand combined with disciplined execution in a decreasing cost insurance advertising landscape.

Turning to our bottom line, GAAP net loss was $6.5 million in the third quarter and adjusted EBITDA was a positive $2 million, exceeding our guidance range provided last quarter. Our favorable VMM performance translate directly into adjusted EBITDA, as we continue to manage our operating expenses tightly and look for opportunities to reduce expenses. Last year, we were early in recognizing how the auto insurance downturn will affect demand within our marketplace and then immediately took steps to reduce costs to align with the anticipated impact. This has also been an ongoing process through 2022 and the result is most evident in achieving positive adjusted EBITDA this quarter and in each quarter this year despite the auto insurance downturn.

We ended the third quarter with cash and cash equivalents on the balance sheet of $36.6 million. During the quarter, we used $3.5 million in operating cash, primarily to fund DTCA operations, which we expect we will continue to use cash in Q4 and at a slightly higher rate due to the annual enrollment season.

Turning to our outlook, we expect that the insurance losses caused by Hurricane Ian will further impact carrier demand in Q4, historically, carriers react to hurricanes by pausing consumer acquisition efforts in our marketplace in the affected areas, both immediately prior to and after [Indecipherable]. Ian is having a more regional and prolonged effect due to the magnitude of losses. We expect the hurricane’s impact on carrier demand in the auto insurance vertical to continue through Q4.

Within our health vertical, we expect lower revenue from this enrollment season as compared to last year. Our focus on optimizing the economics of our DTCA operations will lead to fewer agents year-over-year. Lastly, we anticipate that maintaining cost efficiencies in both ad spend and operating expenses will benefit adjusted EBITDA and we’ve reflected this in our guide as follows.

For Q4, we expect revenue to be between USD87 million and USD92 million, a year-over-year decrease of 12% at the midpoint. We expect VMM in the quarter to be between USD27 million and USD30 million, a year-over-year decrease of 13% at the midpoint, and we expect adjusted EBITDA to be between negative USD1.5 million and positive USD1.5 million, with the midpoint similar to the prior year period. For the full year, we are raising our guidance for VMM and adjusted EBITDA as a result of our stronger-than-expected Q3 performance and our focus on operating efficiencies. We expect revenue to be between USD403 million and USD408 million, a slight increase at the midpoint from our previous guidance of between USD400 million and USD410 million.

We expect VMM to be between USD126 million and USD129 million, a 7% increase at the midpoint from our previous guidance of between USD116 million and USD122 million. We expect positive adjusted EBITDA of between USD4 million and USD7 million, up from our previous guidance of between negative USD7 million and negative USD1 million. In summary, although we remain in a challenging period, we delivered results better than our guidance for the third quarter, raised expectations for the full-year 2022 and reestablished our target of full-year positive adjusted EBITDA. We believe we have reacted to extraordinary market conditions by taking impressive actions at balanced revenue generation, cost control and balance sheet management, positioning us well for an expected market recovery in 2023. Next year, we look forward to more favorable auto insurance industry conditions, our return to revenue growth and improving positive adjusted EBITDA.

Jayme and I will now answer your questions.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

Thank you [Operator Instructions] Our first question today comes from the line of Ralph Schackart from William Blair. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Ralph Schackart — William Blair — Analyst

Great, thanks. Two if I could please. Jayme, in the call, it sounds like you had one major carrier customer that came in and unfortunately with Hurricane Ian, the carriers are out for Q4. But maybe if you could provide some perspective on some of the nature of your conversations as you think through 2023 and how the carrier conversations are going? Should we expect them to come back at least some level on 2023, it sounds like the guide, I’m sorry, you discussed 2023 returning to growth here, but just love your perspective on that. Then I have a follow-up.

Jayme Mendal — Chief Executive Officer

Sure Thanks, Ralph. So, the — yes, the leading edge of the recovery is somewhat beginning to take shape as expected in Q3. So if you recall, we had this earlier moving cohort of carriers that immediately raised rates, pulled back on ad spend and then the expectation was that as they got rate adequacy, that would return to more normalized spending patterns on customer acquisition. And then you have this later moving cohort of carriers that sort of going through the same process, but several quarters removed.

What we saw in Q3 was signs-up of — the sort of leading carrier begin to recover as we would have expected and so we saw rates — but increased profitability, return to target levels and subsequently spending returned to more normalized historical patterns and then of course the hurricane hit and it’s likely turned that, of course, for the balance of the year, but the recovery was beginning to materialize as we had expected. With respect to the balance of the carriers, the majority of them have not yet achieved rate adequacy and have not yet begun to lean in the same way. And so consistent with our expectations, we would expect — anticipate seeing the balance of the carriers recovering into 2023. And what we’re planning for right now and the data that we have would suggest is a gradual recovery over the course of 2023. So a step-up from Q4 into Q1 and then a gradual recovery over the course of the year, where you see 2024 getting back to more normalized historical levels in aggregate.

Ralph Schackart — William Blair — Analyst

Okay. That’s really helpful. Maybe a follow-up for John. John, I think in the prepared remarks you talked about 2023 positive EBITDA or some commentary around that. Just sort of confirming that’s — what I heard, A? And then, B, just maybe philosophically, how are you thinking about OpEx in this environment, would you protect profitability going into 2023 if there’s any sort of further strengthening macro headwinds or further carrier headwinds? Thanks.

John Wagner — Chief Financial Officer

Sure. So, yes, I guess looking back on Q3, I think that’s a demonstration that we are focused on operating expenses and efficiency and making sure that when we see upside in VMM as we did in Q3, that we’re being pretty disciplined about operating expenses and allowing that to flow down to adjusted EBITDA. In terms of as we move forward, we continue to think we’ll hold that stance going into 2023 we think is a period of increased adjusted EBITDA. Very pleased that we’re able to move kind of the full-year target for ’22 to overall positive EBITDA for the year as we go into 2023 we think we’ll expand on that with the gradual recovery that Jayme spoke of it within the auto insurance industry.

Ralph Schackart — William Blair — Analyst

Great. Thanks Jayme. Thanks, John.

Jayme Mendal — Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Ralph.

Operator

Thank you. The next question today comes from the line of Michael Graham from Canaccord. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Michael Graham — Canaccord Genuity — Analyst

Thanks a lot. Hey, guys. I have two questions for you the. The first one is just at a high level, I know you’re not guiding for next year, but there are two things that could impact the way you’re thinking about next year, one is the possibility of a recession. Just wondering, how you would expect in generic terms, your business to respond to that if it were to — come to pass. And similarly, I think there is this dynamic where carriers like to set budgets for the new year before it starts and we’re sort of not yet at that rate adequacy milestone Jayme that you mentioned. So, I was wondering how you’re thinking about those two dynamics? And then I have a quick follow-up.

Jayme Mendal — Chief Executive Officer

Sure. So with respect to our expectations and the effects of [24.18] recession, I think historically you would look at this business as being somewhat insulated from recessionary pressures for a number of reasons. The first to be — as consumers are looking for savings, insurance tends to be a top three to five line item and the personal income statement and so they’ve been conditioned to shop and seek insurance savings as one tactic to address shortfalls in income. And so we expect to see shopping behavior elevated in the event that there is continued economic pressure out there.

The second is, if you think about what is causing a lot of the rate — the loss issues for carriers in the first place, it is severity of claims so the cost to repair and replace vehicles. And one of the big drivers of that is the cost of vehicles, so used and new car prices factor in significantly to the loss pressures that carriers are experiencing. In the event of a recession and the prolonged period of higher interest rates, we would expect to see demand for vehicles come down and therefore subsequently pricing of both new and used cars coming down, which could alleviate some of the loss pressures on carriers and therefore stimulate carrier demand and monetization in the marketplace. And so, I think if you’re looking for a relatively safe bet in the event of a recession, the business is relatively well insulated from that.

John Wagner — Chief Financial Officer

And Michael, on the second part of that question, we do generally see carriers set budget on an annual basis, we often see them managing to combined ratios on a full-year basis. So, I think even in this past year, we saw some increase in demand coming into Q1. And again as Jayme had mentioned, we expect that there’s no difference this year, we expect a sequential increase going into Q1 not only in revenue but also in demand coming out of auto. That is partially because of the earlier movers in terms of the carriers and setting rates and part of that is over the course of the year they will manage that combined ratio, considering the full-year.

And I think even the other carriers that are not on the vanguard of rates, I think, all carriers at this point have taken a fair amount of rate and so I think you’re — as much as we saw an early mover, come back to acquiring within the quarter. I think you’re starting to see all carriers advance rates to a point where they’re anticipating what do you lost — losses are there seeing. So there is a possibility that that we’ll see all carriers gradually return to a more normalized acquisition behavior over the course of ’23.

Michael Graham — Canaccord Genuity — Analyst

Yes, that was going to be — thank you for that, John. That was going to be kind of a follow-up was just that you’ve got this unfortunate Ian impact but how that’s happening. I think you’ve got — with lot of carriers trying to get closer to rate adequacy and I was just going to ask if you could characterize, sort of, how close some of the other ones were but, you basically just did and said they were pretty far along. So not sure if, you want to amplify that or not but that’s all from me. Thanks, guys.

Jayme Mendal — Chief Executive Officer

I guess, the only amplification I would add would be that we were encouraged by sign of a carrier that had got into rate adequacy and then behaved in a way that we had anticipated, which is return to acquisition mode and return to the marketplace and so as much as Hurricane Ian has interrupted that, we’re encouraged by the — kind of the behavior of that carrier as representative of what happens in a recovery.

Michael Graham — Canaccord Genuity — Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question today comes from the line of Dan Day from B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Dan Day — B. Riley Securities — Analyst

Yeah, afternoon guys. I appreciate you taking the questions. So just curious what kind of trends you’re seeing as far as actual — I know you stopped providing the quote request number every quarter, just actual traffic within the marketplace, would be great just directionally. You hit on it already but you think in a softening economic environment, many insurance shopping activity would tick up and just wondering if you guys are starting to see that and more people landing in the marketplace, any commentary on that would be great?

John Wagner — Chief Financial Officer

Sure Dan. So certainly the biggest driver in this past quarter was volume increases, so Jayme mentioned we saw about a 27% increase I think it was in quote request and that — and that’s pretty consistent with Q2 of this year as well. So, we’ve seen an uptick in volume, a component of that uptick is the fact that we are doing a good job executing into a more favorable advertising environment within insurance and then I think there’s probably a component of that which is as expected consumers are starting to shop for insurance, we know that many carriers have taken 15% to 20% rate increases in the rearview mirror, leading up to now. And so I think you’ve got consumers who are opening their renewal on the loops and seeing those rate increases and looking to shop. So we are seeing a good traction in terms of consumer volume that’s now been a couple of quarters in a row and we expect that to continue. And that I think is exciting for us because we think it positions us well going into 2023 as we’re picking up volume and share with consumers, we think we carry that into ’23 where the demand returns gradually from the carriers and the consumers are already in the marketplace.

Dan Day — B. Riley Securities — Analyst

Thanks. That’s great. Most of my — the other question I had mostly revolves around like OpEx below the VMM line and it’s mostly been answered. I guess, just if I look at your last 10-Q you had around 670 full-time employees, can you just comment on whether that number is materially different today or just given the different strategy with the DTCA here? Thanks.

Jayme Mendal — Chief Executive Officer

Yes, I would probably break things into two components, certainly outside of DTCA, we are continuing to look for efficiencies and that’s really been an ongoing process for the past year. For us within DTCA, specifically with our first-party agents, especially within health, we are seeing lower numbers of agents in Q4 of this year and so that’s kind of while we gave some color into what we expect out of the health vertical specifically because we do expect to have a fewer number of agents in Q4. So it’s modest declines really in both categories.

Dan Day — B. Riley Securities — Analyst

Got it. That’s all I had. Thanks guys.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question today comes from the line of Aaron Kessler from Raymond James. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Alex Bolton — Raymond James — Analyst

Hey guys, this is Alex Bolton on for Aaron Kessler. Just had a question on VMM, I guess going higher there. Can you break out how much efficiency you’re seeing in advertising as a result of the favorable kind of ad environment versus maybe a pullback in DTCA?

Jayme Mendal — Chief Executive Officer

I’ll take that Alex. I would say if I contrast Q3 against Q2 — Q2 we talked about our performance there, mostly being driven by ad spend. Efficiencies within our own ad spend as well as overall kind of a more favorable environment. I’d say, as you get to Q3, our VMM achievement there was a combination of slightly stronger revenue per quote request than we anticipated, so some return of demand in Q3. And in addition, good execution against that more favorable advertising landscape. So really in Q3, it was a combination of factors with a little more improvement in demand.

Alex Bolton — Raymond James — Analyst

Okay. And then one other question, I guess, there was one carrier that came out recently saying that they were making cuts there to their marketing team and putting their agency under review. I guess, have you seen any impacts from that carrier?

Jayme Mendal — Chief Executive Officer

So the carrier that I think you’re characterizing is in the later moving cohort sort of I would separate the two cohorts. And so as a result, they have been meaningfully drawn back over the course of the year and therefore the changes that they announced — I’m picking up the same one as you haven’t affected us materially relative to our expectations.

Alex Bolton — Raymond James — Analyst

Okay. That makes sense. I appreciate it.

Jayme Mendal — Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Alex.

Operator

Thank you. The next question today comes from the line of Cory Carpenter from JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Danny Pfeiffer — J.P. Morgan — Analyst

Hi, this is Danny Pfeiffer on for Cory Carpenter. I just had one question. After Q4, can you maybe frame the longer-term growth rate you’re targeting for DTCA and any of your longer-term objectives has changed after this quarter? Thanks.

Jayme Mendal — Chief Executive Officer

Sure. I guess as we look forward, DTCA is still something that we’re very excited about in the business, we think it’s — it is a big driver of growth for our other verticals as well as even within auto. So I don’t think things have changed an awful lot for DTCA. I think what we’ve made clear is, our growth expectations for DTCA will be with them providing — with DTCA operations providing some of the economics that we require in that business. We expect that that business ultimately contributes more to VMM and ultimately to adjusted EBITDA and so I think you would expect us to scale that business but first achieving those economics and that’s been — wait we’ve been focused on this year and going into Q4.

Danny Pfeiffer — J.P. Morgan — Analyst

Thanks.

Jayme Mendal — Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question today comes from the line of Mayan Tandon from Needham and Company. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Sam Salvas — Needham & Company — Analyst

Hey guys, this is Sam Salvas on for Mayan tonight. Thanks for taking the questions and nice results here. Most of my questions have already been asked but I’ve got a couple of quick ones. I wanted to touch on the other verticals that dip this quarter. Could you guys talk a little bit more about what’s going on here and maybe how we should think about this segment in the coming quarters. Is this really mostly a headcount issue or is there anything else going on here? Thanks.

Jayme Mendal — Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, thanks, Sam. So to put into context this non-auto verticals have grown significantly over the last few years to reach 15%, 20% or so of revenue recently. Yeah, this year, we are managing the business holistically with an eye towards profitability and towards unit economics and as a result that has — had an impact on non-auto on a couple of fronts. The first as you mentioned is we have moderated agent headcount growth relative to earlier plans as part of company-wide operating expense management efforts. I mean, that impact to be most pronounced in Q4. And we have diverted some investments away from active management of non-auto verticals, particularly in life insurance. Just as we flow our resources to the areas where we see the highest near-term opportunity.

That’s been compounded by some headwinds in the home insurance market, so the home insurance market is not impervious to the inflationary pressures on losses that we’re seeing in auto and as a result, seeing some softening in demand there. The combination of all those things as well has really driven the recent results in the non-auto verticals. As we look ahead in Q4, we would expect this to persist. But long-term, we continue to believe that non-auto will be an important growth lever for the business and moreover it’s really core to our value proposition of becoming the one-stop shop for insurance and so we see them as a big part of our future but there are some near-term headwinds.

Sam Salvas — Needham & Company — Analyst

Got it. That’s super helpful. Thank you for that. And then just a quick follow-up you kind of mentioned it there answering that question but can you guys give any color on how we should think about some of these operating expenses going into 2023 given you guys have tightened the belt over the past few quarters and will next quarter as well.

John Wagner — Chief Financial Officer

Yes. So, I think you could expect that we’ll continue to make sure that our performance first dose to returning us to adjusted EBITDA so as we see — as we see carriers come back into the marketplace. We’ve said that we are committed to getting back to previous levels of adjusted EBITDA sooner rather than later and so I think you would expect us to continue to manage our operating expenses quite tightly, as we do that, we will then also as we always have make decisions around investing for growth, but first I think you’d expect us to get back to those previous levels of adjusted EBITDA and then have this combination of [Indecipherable] business for growth and growing incremental profitability.

Sam Salvas — Needham & Company — Analyst

Great. Thanks guys.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions registered, so I’d like to pass the conference back over to Jayme Mendal for closing remarks. Please go ahead when you’re ready.

Jayme Mendal — Chief Executive Officer

All right. Thank you and thanks everyone for joining us today. We continue making progress towards our long-term vision to become the largest online source of insurance policies by combining data, technology, knowledgeable advisors to make insurance simpler, more affordable and personalized. I think this quarter, our team continued demonstrating agility, we are adapting to a changing environment, maintaining disciplined expense management and gaining market share during this period and consequently we expect to exit this year quite well positioned to emerge from the auto industry downturn as a stronger company. Thank you. [Operator Closing Remarks]