United States Steel Corporation (X) Q1 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

United States Steel Corporation (NYSE:X) Q1 2023 Earnings Call dated Apr. 28, 2023.

Corporate Participants:

Kevin Lewis — Vice President, Finance

Dave Burritt — President and CEO

Jessica Graziano — Senior Vice-President and CFO

Rich Fruehauf — Senior Vice-President and Chief Strategy and Sustainability Officer

Analysts:

Emily Chieng — Goldman Sachs — Analyst

Tristan Gresser — Exane BNP Paribas — Analyst

Alex Hacking — Citi — Analyst

Carlos De Alba — Morgan Stanley — Analyst

Presentation:

Operator

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the United States Steel Corporation’s First Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. As a reminder, today’s call is being recorded. I will now hand the call over to Kevin Lewis, Vice President, Finance.

Kevin Lewis — Vice President, Finance

Good morning, and thank you for joining our first-quarter 2023 earnings call. Joining me on today’s call is U.S. Steel President and CEO, Dave Burritt; Senior Vice-President and CFO, Jessica Graziano; and Senior Vice-President and Chief Strategy and Sustainability Officer, Rich Fruehauf.

This morning, we posted slides to accompany today’s prepared remarks. These can be found on the U.S. Steel Investor page under the Events and Presentations section. You’ll note that we’ve have streamlined our earnings materials including today’s call slides. They can now be found in the presentation posted this morning, accompanied by additional enterprise and business level financial data. Our segment and financial operational data packet, which we posted yesterday with our earnings release also includes our regular disclosures.

Before we start, let me remind you that some information provided during this call may include forward-looking statements that are based on certain assumptions, and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties as described in our SEC filings. Actual future results may vary materially. Forward-looking statements in the press release that we issued yesterday, along with our remarks today are made as of today, and we undertake no duty to update them as actual events unfold.

I would now like to turn the conference call over to U.S. Steel President and CEO, Dave Burritt, who will begin on slide four.

Dave Burritt — President and CEO

Thank you, Kevin and good morning to everyone joining us today. We appreciate your continued engagement with U.S. Steel. We delivered another strong performance in the first-quarter and we are staying strong on the things that truly matter. Safety and our people, the environment and financials, all with a customer and stakeholder focus. U.S. Steel coined the phrase “safety first” more than 100 years ago. So, I’ll follow that mantra and begin there. Safety is the linchpin of our operations. It enables everything we do. We had an extraordinarily safe first-quarter following record safety performances in 2020 and 2021 and 2022. When we say best operations, it clearly starts with best safety. So, as we begin, I’d like to extend a huge thank you to the U.S. Steel team for their stellar job, for our coworkers, for our families and for our suppliers, who are committed to putting safety first. As a member of the National Safety Council, we strongly agree with their mission. No safety challenge will be too big for us to overcome, from the workplace to anyplace. And as a member of Responsible Steel with Big River Steel as the first Responsible Steel certified facility in North America, our commitment to safely operating for the environment is unwavering. Responsible Steel also provides an independent framework, and that’s important. We believe an Independent framework that is auditable, best shape, standardization and certification for environmentally and socially responsible steelmaking.

The first quarter was all about executing our strategy and investing in the future. Our transformative strategic projects are on track and on budget, and I’ll discuss that in a bit. We remain confident in our ability to execute our best for all strategy safely. We are bullish for U.S. Steel future as we look-forward to an even stronger second quarter. We are pleased, but not satisfied.

Our main challenge to transition to a less cost capital and carbon intensive business remains and we’re making progress. We know what it takes to be the best deal competitor — focus, focus, focus. We are focused on creating stockholder value. We believe U.S. Steel’s opportunity to create value by improving our multiple and continuing direct returns is the best in the industry. When you buy U.S. Steel stock, you’re buying into a steel company, a company deeply focused on our core, making and selling steel, and a company not yet been fully rewarded for our progress. That creates an opportunity for a tremendous value for you the investor.

2023 is the pivotal investment year in delivering on our commitments to create value for stockholders. With each passing quarter, we deliver on our best for all future. Incremental EBITDA generation, improved free-cash flow and increased earnings resilience through cycle. We are committed to getting to the future faster, that’s more than just a model for us, it’s the objective of every strategic decision we make as we unlock earnings and free-cash flow growth, and continued returns for our stockholders.

That commitment is further supported by our excellent operational performance, a healthy market backdrop, strong trade enforcement and a solid balance sheet, we are well positioned to deliver on our best for all goals.

Let’s move to slide 5. This morning, we’re going to provide an update on the tangible progress we are making on our best for all strategy, including some key milestones. Projects are taking shape and nearing completion. Our NGL electrical steel lines starts up later this summer. The dual coating line at Big River is on track for next year, and so with Big River too– a little more than a year away from its first coil. We are excited about what’s taking shape. Today we want you to see and feel that excitement yourself. We will also share some thoughts on the healthy market backdrop, what we’re seeing today and how it supports strategy execution, and why US Steel is well positioned for where the market is headed.

Next, we’ll go deeper to share what we’re seeing in real time by end-market in our balanced and diverse order book. The details I’ll share will create a clear line-of-sight to real value for you, our stockholders.

Let’s start with an update on slide 6 of Big River 2. This state-of-the art mini mill remains on track for a 2024 startup and in-line with its $3 billion budget. This is a game-changing investment that will bolster US Steel’s financial performance and environmental sustainability for years to come. Once complete, this cutting-edge facility in combination with the existing Big River Steel will form a green steel campus capable of supplying some of the most advanced and sustainable steels in North America.

With the first use of endless casting and rolling technology in the United States, Big River 2 will bring significant energy and operational efficiencies and capability enhancement to our operations — a distinct competitive advantage. Importantly, some of the primary strategic benefits will be financial. With the new mill online next year, we expect Big River portfolio will deliver annual through-cycle EBITDA of approximately $1.3 billion and annual through cycle free-cash flow generation of 1 billion plus by 2026. That is an unprecedented level of cash generation for US Steel to invest in our business and reward stockholders.

We know that hitting these targets depends on solid execution, and we are delivering. With 85% of the project’s budget committed, we remain confident in our progress. Equipment is on order and being delivered, structures are going up and we are hitting key milestones along the way. Every time I visit Big River 2, I marvel at the progress — what used to be a soybean field is really starting to feel like a steel mill.

Let me show you what I mean on Slide 7. The water systems, for example, are critical for steel-making. At Big River 2, key foundations are poured and key equipment is on site, like the cooling towers and pipe structures. We’ve also progressed on the electrical substation that will power Big River 2 with renewable energy. Big River will be connected to the Entergy Arkansas Driver Solar Project, a new 250 MW Renewable Energy facility that will be constructed directly adjacent to Big River Steel.

And on slide 8, you can see the foundation of what will become the endless casting and rolling line, the first of its kind in the United States. Let’s stay with Big River for a little while. We are on track for the fourth quarter launch of our new, non-grain oriented electrical steel line, shown on slide 9. The first test coils are scheduled. Once online, the new NGO line will empower US Steel to play a pivotal role in the country’s transition from traditional combustion engines to electric cars. In fact, EVs cannot run without the kind of ultra-thin electrical steel, that will be soon rolling off the line at Big River Steel to the tune of about 200,000 tons a year.

The launch of our new electrical steel, InduX, further strengthens our partnership with strategic customers. In this case, the growing numbers of manufacturers of EVs. InduX will also serve the booming market for green power generation. This specialized steel is in high demand from our customer base. In fact, we’ve already pre-sold our first coil of electrical steel from Big River. It seems like not a day goes by that customer isn’t reaching out, inquiring about reserving time on the new line.

The bottom-line is steel has not only been essential to human society since the Bronze Age, it is essential to our green energy future, and US Steel is the essential partner in making that transition happen. We are veterans of electrical steel, with current production already in Europe, our NGO line allows us to bring that expertise and proven track-record to the United States.

We’ve executed major construction milestones on this project and remain on time and on budget. On slide 10, you can see the ongoing cold commissioning of critical components of the line. For instance, we are cold commissioning the hydraulic systems that will power the NGO line. We are also cold commissioning the reversing cold mill and cleaning section over the line. The cleaning section for instance is essential to prepare the substrate before entering the furnaces. This is critical work, and we’re making great progress.

Now I’d like to turn our recently completed investment and pig iron at Gary Works. Slide 11 has the details. At Big River Steel, we consumed more than 25,000 tonnes of Gary pig in the EAF in Q1. Our furnaces have seen a seamless transition as the Gary pig is high quality and a lower cost than external pig purchases. This project is key to our metallic strategy, it’s a tremendous opportunity for us to unlock significant benefits across US Steel’s entire footprint.

Our Gary Works facility benefited from operational efficiencies and fuel rate savings in the first-quarter as the project started several months ahead of schedule. It’s an example of U.S. Steels flexibility and creativity, repurposing our existing facilities to unlock tremendous value in our many mills. This investment also creates surety of supply in a pig iron market that we know is vulnerable to supply-chain shocks.

We remain on track for EBITDA benefits in 2023 with a run-rate EBITDA of $30 million expected to be achieved by 2024. Once again, we’re lowering our costs and making our business more resilient. Gary Works has been operating for more than a century, and Big River 2 of course will be a brand-new mini mill. Innovation is happening at both, and today, both are essential for our strategy. So, the bottom-line is this — we are telling you what we’re doing, we’re doing what we say, and we’re doing it exceptionally well.

Let’s move to slide 12. Despite macroeconomic uncertainty, especially in the back half of the year, the steel market backdrop remains healthy. Hot rolled coil prices are over $1,100 per ton today, up over 75% since year end, reflecting healthy market dynamics. The higher selling prices are supported by higher raw-material inputs like scrap steel costs, as well as healthy customer demand. In addition, improvement in the domestic steel market appears to be taking hold, supported by diverse capabilities domestically to meet customer demand, a strong policy environment supporting domestic manufacturing and abundant natural resources, including green energy.

Our business model aligns with where the domestic market is headed, and we’re focused on the things we can control. Our steelmaking footprint combines integrated and mini mill steel-making and provides diverse capabilities for our customers, and our Steel is mined, melted and made in the USA, positioning us at the heart of the domestic manufacturing resurgence.

We’re also one of the few steel makers with access to our own iron ore, natural resources and the only one with mini mill sheet production. We believe our iron-ore is lowest cost in Northern Minnesota, and will be increasingly in demand. Let me elaborate — we believe as electric arc furnaces move up the value chain, they will need to consume more and more virgin iron units to produce the cleaner and thinner seals customers are demanding. Iron ore is finite and we’re one of the few steel producers that own iron ore mines. It’s a competitive advantage today and will be an even greater advantage tomorrow.

At US Steel, we know that diversity is also a competitive advantage. That applies to the diversity of our workforce, the diversity of our suppliers and the diversity of our customers. This diversity provides us a hedge against the ups and downs of various sectors in the economy. Again, our balanced order book means we serve many strategic markets. We aren’t vulnerable with concentration risk. Instead, we leverage our diversity to create value for auto OEMs, appliance manufacturers, construction and Energy customers and other important partners. We continue to welcome new volumes, new customers and new markets into our commercial pipeline.

Now turning to specific customer end-markets on slide 13. We are encouraged by the balanced order book today and the trends we see in key end-markets. Take automotive, for example, Q1 light vehicle sales are trending up, up nearly 7% versus last quarter and up 15% versus the quarter before that. We expect an additional one million auto sales in 2023 versus 2022.

Appliance sales are also robust with 2023 expected to be roughly flat year-over-year. This is particularly encouraging after coming off two record years in appliance production. 2022 appliance production rates were the second best ever outdone only by 2021’s performance.

Energy markets remained stable. Rig counts are off their peaks of late 2022, but remain at healthy levels. If you dig a layer deeper, rig counts and strategic basis, like the Permian, like the Eagle Ford are relatively unchanged.

Service center statistics are strong as well. Q1 flat-rolled service center shipments were up about 10% year-over-year and above-average seasonal volumes. This is an important indicator because it suggest demand for end-users of steel remains strong. We’re encouraged by what we see in key end-markets statistics and continue to monitor the order book to ensure our melt capacity is in line with customer demand.

We have limited visibility into the second half of the year, but know that we faced risks. Lead times while still robust are beginning to inch lower, and we face the risk of low-cost foreign steel coming into the marketplace. But we also know this. We have built flexibility, optionality and resilience into our business plan. We are focused on controlling what we can control, and we are poised to weather a potential downturn in the economy in a way we just weren’t a few years ago.

Perhaps you see now, why it’s an exciting time at U.S. Steel. Throughout the company, we are feeling excitement — excitement about our future, excitement about our execution and excitement about continuing to reward stockholders with direct returns. As we demonstrate strategic proof points, we are confident our multiple will increasingly reflect a re-rating of our stock.

Let me summarize before I hand it over to Jess to go over the financials. We’re focused on being the best. Best operations and a continued focused on record safety and environmental excellence, best partners for our customers to create profitable steel solutions, and best improvement in valuation, enabled by the best EBITDA multiple expansion potential for investors.

And perhaps more than anything, we are focused on getting to our future faster. Jess?

Jessica Graziano — Senior Vice-President and CFO

Thanks, Dave and thank you everyone for joining us this morning. I’ll continue this morning’s remarks on Slide 14. Our team delivered a solid first quarter that was better than expected, supported by a market backdrop that improved as the quarter progressed.

Adjusted EBITDA in the first-quarter of $427 million came in an EBITA margin of about 10% on approximately $4.5 billion of revenue. As you know, our adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was better than the $375 million we guided to on March 16th, which in large part came from higher revenues in our flat-rolled and European segments on stronger demand and pricing through quarter end. And we expect that momentum will continue into the second quarter. I mentioned that the $427 million of adjusted EBITDA excludes approximately $11 million of stock-based compensation, which was not contemplated in that mid-March press release. We’ve made a reporting change in adjusted EBITDA, beginning with Q1 for stock-based comp, which was previously recorded in our North American flat-rolled segment. Take a look at the reconciliations towards the end of yesterday’s press release for more information.

Let’s talk about cash. As most of you know, this is a year where we will be investing a significant amount of cash towards the completion of the strategic initiatives Dave covered earlier. The pictures we’ve shared are a great way for you to see where your capital is being deployed for future growth and returns. While the spend for these initiatives has been pre-funded on the balance sheet, we will continue to offset that spending in part with this year’s operating cash-flow.

In the first quarter, we generated $181 million of operating cash flow. If we exclude the strategic capex spent in the quarter of $582 million, we generated investable free-cash flow of approximately $25 million after all of our sustaining needs were met.

Also recall with the new collective bargaining agreement, we’re able to use a portion of the overfunded OPEB investments as a direct cash offset to active medical expenses incurred by our represented employees in the year.

So, while that change for these medical expenses reduces EBITDA in the quarter, the impact on cash is offset by accessing these funds. In Q1, we offset about $19 million of active medical expenses with the available funds on pace to offset about $75 million this year. That’s $300 million of cash available to cover these expenses over the four-year agreement.

The balance sheet remains strong as steel. Cash at the end of the first-quarter was a healthy $2.8 billion, and total liquidity was a robust $5.3 billion. Our leverage remains incredibly low at 1.3 times adjusted gross debt to trailing 12 months EBITDA. That is significantly better than our through cycle targeted range of three to three and half times.

Our approach to capital allocation remains unchanged, and we continue to allocate cash in line with our framework. That includes a focus on direct returns to you as a component of investing in our best for all strategy.

In the first quarter, direct returns included dividends of $12 million and $75 million in stock repurchases. We remain committed to completing our current authorization with $225 million left to go on the program. We expect to complete the program in 2023.

Our Best for All strategy is focused on generating value for investors. So, we know that generating resilient and material free cash flow is at the center of a capital allocation framework that can deliver both growth and returns. We also know that the investments we are making today in large part will position our mini mills segment as the engine for that free-cash flow with the ability to produce over $1 billion of annual through-cycle, free cash flow expected by 2026. That’s a lean, green cash machine.

On slide 15, you will see some of the highlights. On better capital intensity, our mini mills segment requires only $15 per ton of sustaining capex per year, significantly better than the approximately $30 per ton required by our legacy assets. That’s the lean part. On better carbon intensity, our electric arc furnaces produce steel with up to 70% to 80% lower greenhouse gas emissions than our traditional blast furnace steel making. These are the green steels our customers are increasingly requesting. That’s the green part.

And on better product mix and earnings resiliency, we’re investing in best-in-class finishing capabilities at Big River to move up the value chain. For example, the mini mills segments value-add mix of cold-rolled and coated tons in 2022 was about 34%. I want Big River 2 and the finishing investments reach run rate by 2026, this mix should expand to about 60% and drive 20% plus EBITDA margins. Once these investments reach run-rate, the mini mills segment is expected to generate through-cycle annual EBITDA of approximately $1.3 billion in a conservative low $600 HRC pricing environment. This is a resilient earnings power we didn’t have just a few years ago. That’s the cash machine part.

Let’s move to the next slide and take a look now at segment performance in the first quarter. In our flat-rolled segment, typical seasonal mining headwinds and lower average selling prices contributed most of the change in EBITDA versus Q4 2022. The commercial environment improved throughout the quarter supporting our decision to restart blast furnaces at the Mon Valley and Gary Works. These demand tailwinds are expected to be more fully reflected in our Q2 results for our flat-rolled segment as extended lead times delayed pricing realization in Q1.

In our mini mills segment, rising spot prices were a big driver of higher results for the quarter. These results were helped by normalized raw material costs, as we cycled through remaining high-priced pig iron in the middle of the quarter. Over in Europe, we recently restarted two blast furnaces in response to an improving order book and spot prices. All three blast furnaces are running in Slovakia. Similar to what we’ve seen in the States, these commercial benefits built over the quarter with the segment generating positive EBITDA in February and March, and will be more apparent in Q2’s results. I will note that more favorable raw-material costs and efficiencies from running at higher levels of utilization, more than offset lower prices for much of the first quarter in Europe.

Our Tubular segment continues to post strong results. The first quarter marked the 10th consecutive quarter of incremental EBITDA improvement. Higher prices in Q4 continued to flow through to Q1 and the Fairfield seamless pipe mill ran full out. The segment remains well positioned given in-sourced rounds for seamless pipe production, alignment with strategic basins and a suite of premium, semi-premium and API grade connections to better serve customers.

Looking forward to Q2, favorable demand and pricing impacts that had been building over the first-quarter should manifest in a healthy second quarter. Our current estimate of adjusted EBITDA for the second quarter is in the range of $750 million to $800 million. The strength we expect in Q2 results will be particularly apparent in our mini mills segment. Higher prices are expected to support EBITDA margin of 20% or better, and approximately 3.5 times EBITDA dollar growth versus Q1.

The segment’s average selling price is expected to increase more than 40% in Q2 versus Q1. Our flat-rolled segment should see meaningful EBITDA improvement, as well as higher prices continue to flow through to earnings and seasonal mining headwinds dissipate.

In Slovakia, our European segment should deliver a positive EBITDA in Q2 as the improving market dynamics are increasingly reflected in the segment’s average selling prices and the strengthening order book.

In Tubular, end user demand remained strong. However, softer pricing of elevated levels from Q4 2022 continued high import levels and customer inventory rebalancing are expected to impact Q2 performance.

And with that, Dave, I’ll turn it back to you.

Dave Burritt — President and CEO

Thank you, Jess. Before we open the line for your questions, let me recap our prepared remarks on Slide 17. We are progressing on our Best for All strategy, our strategic projects are taking shape literally. You really must see what’s being built, it’s amazing. Construction of Big River 2, our NGO line and our coating line are well underway. Our Gary pig machine is already supplying iron to Big River.

We are making meaningful progress in transforming our business for long-term environmental and financial sustainability, and we’re doing it on time and on budget. We are seeing a healthy market backdrop for Q2 and had strong financial performance in the first quarter. We expect to report even better things in July with a strong balance sheet, balanced order book and resilient strategic end-markets.

We are operating from a position of strength. This is what it means to be truly Best for All for customers, for employees, for planet, and for you, our stockholders.

I have to say we are bullish on U.S. Steel and we are grateful for your interest and support.

Kevin, Let’s move to Q&A.

Questions and Answers:

Kevin Lewis — Vice President, Finance

Thank you, Dave. Our first few questions come from the line of Say Technologies, and Dave our first one we received several pre-submitted questions from investors on how US Steel is positioned today to navigate uncertainty. Dave, would you like to start with your thoughts on that?

Dave Burritt — President and CEO

Yeah, Kevin, let me just kind of give you a little bit of a stream of consciousness on this one. I think it’s a really good question, but hopefully we’ve explained this to most of you, but let me be very clear. We can confidently say we are stronger today than ever before, and we do believe we’re very well positioned, and I can say that because we’ve made really good progress on our strategy, on-time, on-budget, meeting key milestones, the startup of the NGO line this summer, I mean let’s face it, that NGO line is going to be great. Let’s face it, we’ve had 20 years of electrical steel experience in Europe, so we’ve got that capability share and make sure that goes well.

We have a healthy market backdrop, improved market dynamics, stronger domestic steel markets, diverse U.S. Steel order book that I talked about in, and this balanced diverse order book shows up with the healthy trends in the market, a better Q2 expected in financial performance, and we’re frankly, we’re gaining market share.

We don’t know what’s going to happen frankly for sure with certainty and the second half of the second quarter looks very good. Will it be a soft landing? Will rates continue to go up? Is there geopolitical issue, there’s all that stuff. But again, I can say this. We are stronger than ever before and we feel very confident that we’ll be able to weather the storm, no matter what could happen. That being said, it could very well be a soft landing as many people think that’s the case.

The key for us is we got to execute, and we’re doing that, we got to execute, execute, execute — in fact that’s the keyword for us here in 2023, and I feel really positive about our strategy, where we’re headed and confident that we’re going to be executing these strategic projects on time, and we’re doing it all very safely.

Kevin Lewis — Vice President, Finance

Great, thank you. Thank you, Dave. Our second question and last question from Say Technologies was related to decarbonization, various green initiatives funded by Inflation Reduction Act, Infrastructure Act and other-related opportunities for U.S. Steel here domestically. Rich, given your unique view of the strategy and our sustainability initiatives, would you please share some thoughts on that question.

Rich Fruehauf — Senior Vice-President and Chief Strategy and Sustainability Officer

Yeah, certainly, Kevin. Well, it’s a great question and obviously relevant for our business. As David said for a long time, public-private partnerships are essential to addressing climate change. We are very pleased with this administration’s commitment to assist with the country’s Green Transformation. In fact, Dave and other CEOs met with the Biden Administration recently to discuss these exciting opportunities. So, under the Inflation Reduction Act, there are programs where the federal government can partner on green projects on a fifty-fifty basis including grant funding. There’s about $5.8 billion available for that kind of project for industrial decarbonization. And the interesting thing is the legislative language which we’ve looked at specifically mentioned steel and iron as the kind of industrial projects that Congress was thinking about when they passed that law. So, we’re certainly looking at a number of options, and we continue to evaluate potential partnerships, projects with third-parties including to pursue government funding for things like decarbonization, hydrogen, there’s the hydrogen hub applications going in under the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law for electrification, Dave talked about the NGO line, very exciting opportunities or other operational benefits. So, between the bipartisan infrastructure law, the IRA, the onshoring boom that Dave and Jess talked about, we see a lot of opportunities for us. And just to wind-up, I’d say, as we have for a long time, our strategy and sustainability programs are woven together all to create stockholder value, they’re not separate.

Kevin Lewis — Vice President, Finance

Great, thank you, Rich, and thanks, Dave again for getting us started on those two questions. At this time, operator, could you please queue the line for questions. And just as a reminder for those on the phone, we ask that you each please limit yourself to one question and then a follow-up, so we ensure everyone has the opportunity to ask the question.

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Emily Chieng with Goldman Sachs. You may proceed with your question.

Emily Chieng — Goldman Sachs — Analyst

Good morning, Dave, Jess and Kevin, thank you for taking the time this morning. My first question is just around bigger steel. So, there’s clearly a lot of growth happening here that’s coming online in short order. So wanted to get your views as to how your conversations with the automotive OEMs have evolved, and with the assumptions underlying that 20% through cycle EBITDA margin, what’s the thought around marketing your product differently. In other words, should we be thinking about a potential target mix between contracted volumes and spot or index-linked volumes going forward.

Dave Burritt — President and CEO

Maybe I’ll start that and then I’ll pass it, again highlighting the 20% plus margins in the mini mills segment in the second quarter, that’s all good news. The biggest drivers are those prices rolling forward, are rolling forward from where we saw the uplift as you know, and it’s continuing to the continued demand in the key markets. I think some of the key things we have to remember here with Big River is that their book of business includes big pipe and tube, and that continues and it’s geographically very well positioned as we think about the future and of course, when we get into the strategic projects. It is opening up a lot more opportunity for us with the EV markets, particularly the motors that nobody else will be able to provide this steel, this capability of steel, so we feel really good about this. And then also that the pricing. So, Kevin, maybe a little bit more specific to your question about contracts.

Kevin Lewis — Vice President, Finance

Yeah, sure David. Let me let me pick up with the NGO project that you just described, and Emily, if you take that in consideration with the auto OEMs continued desire to have their HSS [Phonetic] or additional automotive grades produced more sustainably through the mini mill footprint, we believe we’re in a very, very unique position in the broader domestic market to not only offer the differentiated grades from our integrated mills, like Gary Works that can make the exposed automotive and most difficult advanced high-strength steel grades, but we can combine it with the lower carbon intensity mini mill automotive production and then bring to market just this year coming up the NGO capabilities. So, if you think about the breadth of the automotive portfolio that we are building in the diversity from our steel production perspective that we have going forward, we believe we are in a tremendously good position to continue to earn automotive market-share and push the value-added mix at Big River higher, and that’s evidenced just recently announced a partnership with General Motors, and we’ve received other accolades at Big River like the Supplier Sustainability Award from Mercedes, year and a half ago. So, I think the automotive market continues to be at an attractive outlet for our volumes from Big River, and customer qualifications continue with great success and with real urgency as the autos continue to want to move their volumes to OCO Arkansas.

Jessica Graziano — Senior Vice-President and CFO

I’ll add one point to that, and it’s really a built on to the comment I made in prepared remarks on the move to more value-add tons, as we think about the finishing lines coming online and what that overall portfolio mix is going to look like for Big River, the impact that we believe that will have ultimately on let’s call it contract mix right in terms of — to your question on spot and fixed or contract. We see that also moving in a way that will continue to provide the type of resilient margins that we believe the combined kind of Big River campus will be generating at 20% plus through cycle. So, it all sort of is a part of not just the contract mix but the portfolio mix in those value-add tons that I think we need to consider as well.

Emily Chieng — Goldman Sachs — Analyst

Okay, that makes lot of sense. A follow-up on the flip side of the equation then, just around USFE, I mean I know the assets have been restarted more recently, but in terms of the growth outlook that feels a little bit more muted compared to what’s happening in the U.S. Can you remind us what your stance is on that segment and whether that remains a core asset within the U.S. steel portfolio. Thank you.

Dave Burritt — President and CEO

Well, USFE has been a vital part of U.S. Steel for a very long time and you just saw the number is stronger in the first quarter. We got all three blast furnaces running full-out now, and we expect stronger in the second quarter with profitability to exist there. So that the business is running very well with the war right next door, I can’t say enough great things about our people in USFK who are providing support and help for the folks in Ukraine that are suffering through that tragedy, and all the while making sure they get the job done in making this business healthy. We have, I guess I’d say, higher prices, they are supported by tight supply and a good rollover into Q2 with profitability, as I said, expected and you saw the improving conditions in the first quarter.

This is a business that we continue to monitor. We continue to address, and it’s been very good, it is in fact, if not the best integrated mill, certainly one of the best and always have the superior safety records. I think there was something like 440 days without an OSHA recordable. So, it’s a key part of our team. Everything we look at U.S. Steel is everything is for sale all the time, but obviously, conditions would have to be right, but meanwhile, we’re pretty happy with this asset, it’s always been able to deliver where the environment is headed and the support that we’re likely able to get. I think this business could be booming in a few short years.

Operator

Our next question comes from Tristan Gresser with BNP Paribas Exane. You may proceed with your question.

Tristan Gresser — Exane BNP Paribas — Analyst

Yes, hi, thank you for taking my questions. The first one is a follow-up on USFE. Looking at the Q2 guidance, now that you have all the three blast furnaces running, are you going to be able to break above the 1 million ton mark in terms of volumes. Do you expect any further relief on the cost side, maybe with energy prices coming off. And also, is there any reason why we should not — you should not be able to reach a normalized margin level there in Q2, because if we look at spot margins in Europe, they are really, really strong at the moment.

Kevin Lewis — Vice President, Finance

Yeah, thanks, Tristan. This is Kevin. So, you’re correct, right, the blast furnaces are more fully operational here in the second quarter. We do believe we have the opportunity to push shipments above $1 million tons in the quarter that obviously should give us some good volume tailwinds. We also would see margins begin to approach more normalized levels, maybe still a bit more muted, but certainly positive in the quarter. So, I think when it’s all said and done, we could see the European business generate over $50 million of EBITDA in the quarter and benefit from the dynamics that you just described.

Tristan Gresser — Exane BNP Paribas — Analyst

Alright. That’s really helpful. And if I could just follow-up then moving on to the other part of the guidance, more on the tubular side. So, prices are falling quite heavily of late. What’s the latest update you can give us on market conditions and on the demand -side, and looking into Q2 is it fair to assume you’ve now reached kind of peak volumes or we see further upside, just trying to square on the guidance you gave on the EBITDA level at the group level, we have a strong Europe, strong mini mills and strong flat roll. Thank you.

Dave Burritt — President and CEO

Tubular has been a very bright spot for us here, and we expect the second-half to be a bit off, as we said, the inventory rebalancing with lower shipments, and prices are down, but they’re still at very good levels, having probably peaked, but we have new cost structure there. It’s a good energy market through 2023. And I would just say that the focus there is we’re serving the strategic customers in the strategic basins with premium products, and that’s serving us very well. You recall, we revitalized our assets a few years ago and the EAF that we put in place, made a real difference for that business. So, whether it’d be Permian, Eagle Ford, Marcellus or Haynesville, all of these markets have really good opportunities for us and visibility beyond this year is going to be more difficult, but we feel very good about 2023 and the second quarter may be off a bit. I think we’re in pretty good shape.

Operator

Our next question comes from Alex Hacking with Citi. You may proceed with your question.

Alex Hacking — Citi — Analyst

Yeah, good morning, everyone. On the new NGL line given the certification process required, what’s your estimate of how long it takes you to get that up the capacity? Thanks.

Dave Burritt — President and CEO

Well, we expect this thing to go through commissioning at the end of this year, and we should be in a good run-rate position as we enter 2024. I think the thing people I mentioned, I hope people know this is that we’ve been running electrical steels at USFK for 20 years, so we have this great collaboration with the folks there, and we have the capability to make this. We’re able to go, I think it’s 0.1 millimeters to 0.5 millimeters thin, which is pretty remarkable and the 200,000 tons capability, so we feel really good about being able to get this thing up and running. Obviously got to do some commissioning, but we’ll be at full run-rate as we get through 2024.

Alex Hacking — Citi — Analyst

Okay, thanks. And then you know 1Q shipments obviously in the U.S. is extremely strong. Does that primarily reflect underlying demand in your view, or is this some restocking element there. I mean, given that you’ve restarted your 2BF. I would assume that you see this as kind of sustainable underlying demand, but curious on your view. Thank you very much.

Kevin Lewis — Vice President, Finance

Well, I think what I’d say is that and then I can pass it to somebody else for smaller color, but you know, flat roll results will push higher in the second quarter, and we’re really in a good spot with this business. Customer demand is healthy, you think about it, eight weeks lead time, 75% utilization across the industry, good demand in key markets like auto and appliance and service centers. And so, we really do have this very healthy backdrop and with our balanced portfolio, I think that we find ourselves really good shape as we move into the second quarter.

Jessica Graziano — Senior Vice-President and CFO

What I’ll add there Alex is, we did definitely see some destocking as we started the year, right. But what’s been really encouraging as you think about the volume that’s moved through inventory levels at customers, and frankly lead times right as they’ve been extending is that the inventory is actually moving through and the demand has been strong. And again, we expect will continue to be stronger in Q2, given those extended lead times. So, at the beginning of the year, we sort of thought, okay, we are at a minimum, this is going to be an inventory rebuild, but have been very encouraged to see that volume moving through.

Alex Hacking — Citi — Analyst

Thanks. I appreciate the color.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Carlos De Alba with Morgan Stanley. You may proceed with your question.

Carlos De Alba — Morgan Stanley — Analyst

Great, thank you, good morning. Just regarding the market and the outlook, maybe a little bit beyond the second-quarter. It seems that prices as of late, hot rolled coil prices at least have been plateauing with some declines reported by some of the industry press. Lead times also may be coming down a little bit a week or so, import pricing spreads also expanding. So how do you see the outlook, maybe a little bit beyond the second quarter for prices here in the U.S. I mean demand, obviously, as you mentioned, is strong right now, but it does seem that different pricing [Indecipherable] suggest that we may have reached a peak and maybe we come down from here, your thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you.

Dave Burritt — President and CEO

Yeah, thank you for that, Carlos. I think that we reiterate we like where we are today and we love where we’re headed. The market is supportive, our order books are diverse and operations are humming. Near-term, we’re keeping a close eye on the back half of the year and all those potential risks. There’s no doubt that imports are threat given the strength here in the U.S. market. Macro uncertainty remains, we don’t know what’s happening with inflation, the rates there, the ability to have a soft landing, but for us, no matter what happens, we are going to be nimble and we’re going to adjust, adapt, and as I said before, I have never felt better about where we are in terms of our balance sheet, and no matter how ugly it gets, we’re gonna get our strategic projects completed. So longer-term where we’re headed, this is where we’re really excited. The structural improvements in the sector that are coming, our business model is stronger than ever, and again, what we said earlier, incremental demand drivers like the Inflation Reduction Act, infrastructure bill, the CHIPS Act, all of these things plays strongly for steel, and the new projects that we have, you think about the NGO there is 7% growth, and it’s again worth noting that we’re making the thinnest NGO, and this means that the cars are going to be able to drive further with our, so safer and lighter and advanced high-strength steels I think it’s 7% growth that we’re seeing there.

So, we’re getting to the future faster. There may be some bumps along the way, but the future is incredibly bright, and we got to manage the transition but when we get these projects in place and we’ve proven that we can do it on time, I believe the economy is going to be there right when we need it.

Carlos De Alba — Morgan Stanley — Analyst

All right. And then just following up on the electrical steel volume. Can you maybe provide some color as to how the certification process goes in terms of timing. Do you need to start producing in the line to get the product certified or can you take steps ahead of time, so you’d expedite the ones you are up and running and you can start delivering to customers.

Dave Burritt — President and CEO

Yeah, well, I wish you could actually be live here because we have a thin piece of steel that demonstrates that we can make it, and we’ve proven it, and because we have a partner in Europe, we feel extraordinarily optimistic that is going to work very well, the Big River folks. And our folks in Europe travel back and forth, they spent a lot of time on this, a lot of this journey is based upon preparedness, and I would tell you, these folks, they know how to get not just build the facilities, but also make sure that it runs well, and Big River had all-time records in terms of productivity here just recently. So, we feel they know how to run these facilities and they know how to make sure that the product is ready to go when we need it.

So going through that commissioning process, we’re already have been able to hold a piece of steel in our hands and see what that looks like. So pretty excited about it, it’s our card, again we’re pretty bullish that we’ll be able to get this done on time, on budget and get it fully commissioned and get to the 200,000 tonnes capability soon, some time through 2024.

Operator

Mr. Burritt, I will now turn the call back over to you. Please continue with your presentation or closing remarks.

Dave Burritt — President and CEO

Thank you again for your interest in our company and our strategy. We’re pleased with our strong performance in the first quarter, and we look-forward updating you again in July, about an even stronger second quarter. At U.S. Steel, we keep our key stakeholders in mind in everything we do. Our planet, our employees, our customers and of course you, our stockholders.

To our employees, thank you for safely working for our customers and delivering quality, sustainable and profitable steel solutions. You are the lifeblood of U.S. Steel.

To our customers, thank you for your continued partnership. Your support motivates us every day to make U.S. Steel, the best steel company and to provide you with the steel solutions, you need.

And thank you to our stockholders. We believe U.S. Steel is one of the best opportunities for stockholder value-creation in the steel market today. We are delivering on every aspect of our Best for All strategy and are well on our way to creating the free-cash flow engine that supports EBITDA multiple expansion. We look forward to getting to our future faster together. Now, let’s get back to work safely.

Operator

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