Equity LifeStyle Properties, Inc (NYSE: ELS) Q4 2025 Earnings Call dated Jan. 29, 2026
Corporate Participants:
Marguerite Nader — President & CEO
Patrick Ellis — President & COO
Paul Edge — Chief Financial Officer
Analysts:
Michael Goldsmith — Analyst
Yana — Analyst
Jamie Feldman — Analyst
Eric Wolf — Analyst
Wesley Galladay — Analyst
John Kim — Analyst
Jason Wayne — Analyst
David Siegel — Analyst
Teof Augustine — Analyst
Presentation:
operator
Good day everyone and thank you all for joining us to discuss Equity Lifestyle Properties fourth quarter 2025 results. Our featured speakers today are Marguerite Nader, our CEO Patrick Waite, our President and coo, and Paul Seavey, our Executive Vice President and cfo. In advance of today’s call, Management release Earnings Today’s call will consist of opening remarks and a question and answer session with management relating to the Company’s earnings release. For those who would like to particip in the question and answer session, Management asks you that you limit yourself to two questions so everyone who would like to participate has ample opportunity.
As a reminder, this call is being recorded Certain matters discussed during this conference call may contain forward looking statements in the meaning of the federal securities laws. Our forward looking statements are subject to certain economic risks and uncertainty. The Company assumes no obligation to update or supplement any statement that becomes untrue because of subsequent events. In addition, during today’s call we will discuss non GAAP financial measures as defined by SEC Regulation G. Reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to the comparable GAAP financial measures are included in our earnings release, our supplemental information and our historical SEC filings.
At this time I would like to turn the call over to Marguerite Nader, our CEO.
Marguerite Nader — President & CEO
Good morning and thank you for joining us today. I am pleased to report the final results for 2025. We continued our record of strong core operations and FFO growth. With full year growth in NOI of 4.8% and a 5% increase in normalized FFO per share. Our year end report is a good time to reflect on our business and our industry. Our business model is consistent and durable during all economic cycles. I’d like to focus on our annual rental streams which comprise over 90% of our revenue. We offer prospective customers the opportunities to join a community where they can build their social connections in an active environment.
The strength of our activity offerings continues to be a leading factor in resident retention at our communities. The average age of a new resident is 60 years old and many are motivated by a desire to escape colder climates and avoid the isolation and inactivity found during northern winters. Resident engagement is a strength of our platform. Across our portfolio, hundreds of resident clubs promote social interaction, contributing to high occupancy levels and extended average lengths of stay. Affordability in our sector remain a competitive advantage. Our communities provide a well maintained living environment at a lower cost than surrounding housing alternatives.
The value proposition is further enhanced by the structural advantages of manufactured housing. The homes have changed meaningfully over the last 20 years with today’s homes generally featuring three bedroom, two bath layouts, modern open floor plans, energy efficient systems and contemporary kitchens and bathrooms. These home enhancements have wide demographic appeal and have strengthened the quality of our communities. Our MH portfolio has produced impressive growth rates over the last 30 years. These growth rates reflect an operating model in which residents choose to make our communities their long term home and ELS has reinforced that decision by consistent investment in the community to support growth.
Our RV portfolio finished the year strong with an increase in annual occupancy of over 500 sites over the last six months. Our annual RV customers generally stay with us approximately 10 years and appreciate the ability to use our properties as a second home or weekend getaway. Last night we issued initial guidance for 2026. Our guidance is built based on the operating environment in each one of our 450 communities including a robust market survey process. Our teams communicate with our residents to understand their views around capital projects and property operations. The results show strength in both top line revenue and NOI.
For the full year 2026, we anticipate normalized FFO growth of 3.7%. Next, I would like to update you on our 2026 dividend policy. The Board has approved setting the annual dividend rate at $2.17 per share, a 5.3% increase. Our decision to increase the dividend is driven by stable cash flow, a solid balance sheet and strong underlying business trends. In 2026 we expect to have approximately $100 million of discretionary capital. After meeting our obligations for dividend payments, recurring capital expenditures and principal payments over the past 10 years, we have increased our dividend by an average of 10% per year and this year’s dividend marks the 22nd consecutive year of annual dividend growth.
I want to thank our team members for all their efforts in 2025 and I’m looking forward to continued operating success in 2026. I will now turn it over to Patrick to provide more details about property operations.
Patrick Ellis — President & COO
Thanks Marguerite. I’ll start with some color on our MH business and then address our long term RV business. In 2025, these revenue streams totaled more than $1 billion. Over the last five years, their combined revenue CAGR was 5.9%. Continuing to support our history of consistent property NOI growth since our IPO in 1993, approximately half of our MH revenue is Florida, another 20% is California and Arizona, and the rest is mostly the North, Central and Northeast US. Over the last five years we’ve sold 3,800 new homes which improved our quality of Occupancy Florida has been a driver of growth with migration patterns supporting economic growth and demand.
The rest of the Sun Belt, coastal and Northern markets have contributed to consistent growth as well, given the desirable locations of our properties and the great value that our MH communities offer in their submarkets. Focusing on Florida first, our largest submarkets, Tampa St. Pete and Fort Lauderdale West Palm beach are supported by tourism, finance and technology, favorable tax structures, business relocations and in migration. Demand for RMH communities has been consistently strong and over the last five years we sold nearly 2,000 homes and reduced our Florida rental load to 2.5% of our occupied sites. Looking next to Arizona, our largest market is Phoenix Mesa which experienced strong population growth and GDP growth and has supported demand for our MH properties.
We sold more than 400 homes over the last five years. The last of the big three is California. Our MH communities offer great value in high cost markets. Given the high demand, our California properties have an average occupancy of 96%. Before I move on to our RV business, I would note that our portfolio and locations are well positioned to benefit from the demographic Trends in the U.S. our recent investor presentation highlights these demand drivers. There are 70 million baby boomers in the US and every day 10,000 baby boomers turn 65. Right behind the baby boomers are 65 million Gen X, all aging towards our core demographic.
After Gen X is the millennial cohort of 75 million. They will start retiring in about 20 years. As these generations age, they behave similarly, although the timing may differ. As an example, Gen X and Millennials entered household formation stages and buying homes later than Baby Boomers, but the direction is consistent through midlife years and into retirement. They seek what we offer great value, active lifestyles and social engagement on the RV Annual business. Long term stays and low turnover provide a stable revenue stream similar to our NH business. Most of our annuals own a park model or RV with fixed site improvements and when they choose to leave they res their unit in place to the next long term guest resulting in uninterrupted revenue stream very similar to our MH business.
Over the last five years, the average RV annual rate growth of more than 6% contributes to our durable long term revenue. Over the last two quarters we added more than 500 annuals and we continue to see consistent demand throughout the Sun Belt and Northern markets. Attrition that we experienced early in 2025 appears to have subsided and both current and new RV annual customers are enthusiastic about staying with us. Our RV properties are in desirable locations and a customer can buy one of our resort homes for a fraction of what a lake house or similar accommodation would cost in those markets.
The value we offer across our long term revenue business lines supports consistent demand. As we head into 2026, we see demand for our MH and RV annual offerings which support consistent growth in these long term revenue streams. I’ll now turn the call over to Paul.
Paul Edge — Chief Financial Officer
Thanks Patrick and good morning everyone. I will discuss our fourth quarter and full year results, review our guidance assumptions for 2026 including some key considerations for the first quarter and close with a discussion of our balance sheet. Fourth quarter normalized FFO was $0.79 per share and full year normalized FFO was $3.06 per share representing 4.2% and 5% growth in the fourth quarter and year to date periods respectively compared to prior year. Strong core portfolio performance generated 4.1% NOI growth in the quarter and 4.8% year to date. Our results are in line with our guidance provided at the beginning of 2025 and reflect our consistent track record of earnings growth with guidance Core community based rental income increased 5.5% for the full year 2025 compared to 2024 primarily because of noticed increases to renewing residents and market rent paid by new residents.
After resident turnover. Full year core RV and marina annual base rental income which represents approximately 73% of total RV and marina based rental income increased 4.1% compared to the prior year. Full year core seasonal and transient rent combined decreased 9.1%. The net contribution from our total membership business consists of annual dues and upgrade subscription revenues offset by sales and marketing expenses. For the full year. The membership business contributed $65.6 million net during the year. We enrolled approximately 5,900 upgraded membership subscriptions. Core utility and other income increased 3.4% for the full year compared to prior year.
In 2025, our utility recovery rate was 48.7%, a 220 basis point increase from 2024 full year 2025 core property operating expenses increased 1% compared to the same period in 2024. Our ability to deliver expense growth below CPI resulted from our management of payroll expense at our RV properties, our 2025 insurance renewal and a reduction in membership sales and marketing expenses. Income from property operations generated by our non core portfolio was $1.9 million in the quarter and $10.2 million for the full year 2025. Property management and corporate expenses increased 1% for the full year 2025 compared to prior year.
The press release and supplemental package provide an overview of 2026 first quarter and.
Patrick Ellis — President & COO
Full year earnings guidance.
Paul Edge — Chief Financial Officer
The following remarks are intended to provide context for our current estimate of future results. All growth rate ranges and revenue and expense projections are qualified by the risk factors included in our press release and supplemental package. Our guidance for 2026 full year normalized FFO is $3.17 per share at the midpoint of our guidance range of $3.12 to $3.22. We project core property operating income growth of 5.6% at the midpoint of our range and we project the non core properties will generate between 4.6 million and $8.6 million of NOI during 2026. Our property management and G and A expense guidance range is 121.3 million to 127.3 million in the core portfolio.
We project the following full year growth rate ranges 4.1% to 5.1% for core revenues, 2.7% to 3.7% for core expenses and 5.1% to 6.1% for core NOI. Full year guidance assumes core MH rent growth in the range of 5.1% to 6.1%. Full year guidance for combined RV and marina rent growth is 2.4% to 3.4%. We expect 5.2% growth in rental income from RV and Marina annuals at the midpoint of our guidance range for the full year. Our guidance assumes interest expense in the range of $133.3 million to $139.3 million. Our first quarter guidance assumes normalized FFO per share in the range of $0.81 to $0.87.
That represents approximately 26% of full year normalized FFO per share. Core property operating income growth is projected to be in the range of 4.5% to 5.1% for the first quarter. First quarter growth in MH rent is 5.8% at the midpoint of our guidance range. We project first quarter annual RV and marina rent growth to be approximately 4.5% at the midpoint of our guidance range. Our guidance assumes first quarter seasonal and transient RV revenues perform in line with our current reservation pace. I’ll now provide some comments on our balance sheet and the financing market. Our balance sheet is well positioned to execute on capital allocation opportunities.
We have no secured debt maturing before 2028 and the weighted average maturity for all debt is seven and a half years. Our debt to EBITDARE is 4.5 times and interest coverage is 5.7 times. We have access to $1.2 billion of capital from our combined line of credit and ATM programs. We continue to place high importance on balance sheet flexibility and we believe we have multiple sources of capital available to us. Current secured debt terms vary depending on many factors including lender, borrower, sponsor and asset type and quality. Current 10 year loans are quoted between 5% and 5.5%, 50% to 75% loan to value and 1.4 to 1.6 times debt service coverage.
We continue to see solid interest from the GSEs and life companies to lend for 10 year terms. High quality H qualified MH assets continue to command best financing terms. Now we would like to open it up for questions.
Questions and Answers:
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Michael Goldsmith
Good morning. Thanks a lot for taking my question. First question on the seasonal and transient business. It sounds like the first quarter expectations are consistent with the reservation pacing that you’re seeing. But then what’s implied for the balance of the year is that it improves pretty materially to like a positive, you know, 2% ish, 1.8% if you’re being specific. So just trying to get a sense of what are you seeing or what gives you confidence that seasonal and transient can accelerate through the balance of the year where as you sit here today.
Paul Edge
Sure.
Marguerite Nader
Good morning Michael. Maybe Paul could take us through the pieces of the guidance and Patrick can give a little bit of color about the operating performances.
Paul Edge
Sure. I’ll start. I’ll frame first the composition of the revenue and some of the timing considerations. So the first quarter we earn approximately 50% of our anticipated full year seasonal rent and almost 20% of our full year transient rent. And by the end of the second quarter we’ve earned almost two thirds of that full year seasonal and nearly 45% of our full year transient rent. The last thing I’ll mention is during the third quarter, 40% of the transient rent is earned. So when we think about that activity, particularly transient, the short booking window means our revenue is heavily influenced by weather forecasts.
We did put together the 2026 budget for these two revenue streams. Based on current reservation pacing for rent, we anticipate ear in the first quarter that implied rate is down about 13%. Then for the remainder of the Year, as you said, Michael, we anticipate approximately 2% growth in those revenue streams combined.
Patrick Ellis
Yeah, so I guess a little color on the seasonal transit. First, I’d start with our annual RV. That represents 70% of our total RV revenue. And as we mentioned in our opening remarks, we added 500 annuals in the back half of the year. So we see consistent demand. And that demand through the year substantially offset the attrition that we saw earlier in the year. On the seasonal and transient, what Paul just walked through, we’ve basically given you our first quarter expectations. And as you looked at Q2 to Q4 for seasonal and transient, that growth represents about $1.3 million.
On the transient front, really the points that we focused on were the four major holiday Juneteenth is on a Friday and the fourth of July is on a Saturday. So the two variable key holidays are on weekends. Also, we’re coming into America’s 250th birthday, so the 4th of July is expected to be particularly good for the hospitality business. And then last, although it’s early, our booking pace for the Q2 to Q4 period on transient is favorable to what we experienced last year on seasonal. For Q2 to Q4, the majority of the pickup is in Q4 as we’d be entering the 2627 Sunbelt season.
And again, early booking pace is ahead of last year. So really at this point in the year we’re surveying and having events with our seasonal customers that are on site. The ones who are on site, the two things that they rank most highly is the warm weather and the time they spend with their friends. And anybody in the northern United States over the last few weeks has experienced sub zero temperatures. So it’s particularly relevant today. We also survey the guests who did not book with us this season but have stayed with us in the past.
They highlight really the same two things. They miss their friends and they want to spend time in the warmer weather. So both of those groups are contributing to our positive early booking pace. Those are really the factors we considered as we were working our way through our long budget process, particularly with the seasonal and transient, but also for the rv. The total RV revenue demand and occupancy trend that we’re seeing for the 70% of our RV annual has been positive in the last few quarters.
Michael Goldsmith
Very helpful. And maybe just as a follow up, and maybe this also relates to the expense line is you just did you just had expense growth at 2.2%, you’re guiding to 3.2% expense growth at the midpoint. So how much you know, how much of that reflects like just a step up in the transient revenue and so that there’s according like payroll increases related to on the expense side and then also, you know, what are you expecting for your like what are you expecting on the insurance renewal and is that playing a role in the step up in expense expectations for 2026?
operator
Thanks.
Paul Edge
Sure, Michael. I guess the way that I would kind of address those rolling it all together in some respects we have guided to expense growth that generally tracks to it’s about a 50 basis point premium to current CPI. We do have assumptions for payroll at higher staffing levels than we had in 2025 to match the revenue. The same is true for the utility expense as a result of the expectations. With regard to insurance, we’re quite pleased that we didn’t have any adverse claims experience in 2025. In addition, there are indications that the market is softening.
Our guidance does have an assumption with respect to our insurance renewal. However, consistent with our past practice, we’re not disclosing that we’ve started the renewal process. So we won’t make our guidance expectation public. We do look forward to updating you in April after we’ve completed our renewal.
Michael Goldsmith
Thank you very much. Good luck in 2026.
Marguerite Nader
Thanks, Michael.
operator
Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from line of Jeffrey Specter from Bank of America securities. Your line is up.
Yana
Hi, this is Yana on for Jeff. Thank you for taking the question. Just curious on a smaller portion of the RV and marina, on the marina side there were some marinas that were taken offline. I was wondering if you can kind of help us kind of on the progress of those repairs and when those may come back into the portfolio.
Patrick Ellis
Yeah, Yana, it’s Patrick.
Yana
It’s a.
Patrick Ellis
You’re right, it is a small part of the business and it was a headwind for the quarter. You know, as we’re working through that’s three marinas as we’re working through repairs of prior storm damage and I think I mentioned this when we met in previous calls that we had some delays with respect to permitting and construction. We’re working our way through that. I think we have a pretty good eye on timing at this point and it looks like it’s the Latter Half of 2026 is when we’re going to start coming online. That should be completed into 2027.
Yana
Great, thank you. And then maybe a little bigger picture. Just kind of curious some of the new whether it’s the Roads act or some of these other MH affordable housing programs that the administration is looking at. I was curious if there were potentially any HUD pilot programs that, you know, ELS was looking to. To be a part of. Yeah, we haven’t seen anything new from hud. I think when you consider how manufactured housing fits into the discussions in dc, it’s important to consider manufactured housing in a kind of a broader degree. There’s about 7 million manufactured homes in the country that house about 18 million people.
And on a square foot basis, MH costs about half as much as single family construction. So it’s definitely a product that could help to address the housing issues across the US but we really don’t see widespread acceptance, especially in areas where we would see being interested in developing new communities. And so we haven’t seen a lot of change from D.C. thanks, Marguerite. Thanks, Jenna.
operator
One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Jamie Feldman from Wells Fargo. Your line is open.
Jamie Feldman
Great. Thanks for taking the question. Good morning.
Michael Goldsmith
Can you talk more about.
Yana
Hi there. The Canadian customer. It sounds like you’re seeing, you feel more optimistic about things getting better, but can you talk specifically about Canadian customers and what you’re seeing and what’s in the guidance? What’s your assumption for the decline in 26 in that group specifically?
Paul Edge
Yeah, I can. With respect to the first quarter for seasonal transient, as I mentioned before, it implies a 13% decline compared to prior the same quarter last year. The reservation pace for the seasonal customers is consistent with the pace we discussed during our call in October. So there hasn’t been any meaningful change in that across the customer base. And then just thinking about the Canadians, we’ve previously talked about the fact that 10% of the total RV revenue is what the Canadians represent. 50% of that is from our annual customers. We have not seen any meaningful increase in home sales from those Canadian annual customers.
So that demand profile remains strong. And then the remaining 50% is what we’ve talked about being split between the seasonal and transient.
Jamie Feldman
And Jamie Patrick walked through some of the Canadian sentiment based on some of the survey work that we had done, and that points to a positive view on our properties and traveling back to Florida.
Yana
Okay, thank you for that. And then I guess just shifting gears to the investment market. Anything that you should pay attention to that might feel different in 26? I know it’s been very challenging to find opportunities, and maybe that’s the honest question. Anything on the legislative side or policy side that might be helpful for you with affordability or just in general, maybe a state of affairs, we could provide it on the investment market.
Marguerite Nader
Sure, sure. So, you know, transaction activity continues to be constrained. I would say, you know, as you know, ownership is highly fragmented and we engage with homeowners as they move forward towards, you know, potential sale decisions. The strong performance of these properties over time has really reduced the desire to sell for the owners. And so knowing that, I think that attractive acquisition activities may be limited, we focused on internal growth and operations and expansions and continuing to keep our balance sheet in a position such that if there is an opportunity, we’re able to take advantage of it.
With respect to anything happening at the federal level that would impact us, I think what we’ve seen more is it’s really what happens at a city or local level. You know, convincing city council members to have an MH or RV community in their backyard, it really, it’s oftentimes difficult even for highly amenitized communities. But we continue to work through that at the local level.
Jamie Feldman
Okay, if I could just sneak in, what’s your appetite for like one off MH properties rather than parks? Or do you think going forward, I mean, assuming legislation gets passed, would you be interested in that at all or. No. You kind of sticking with the park business?
Marguerite Nader
I’m sorry, interested in buying one off manufactured housing communities?
Jamie Feldman
Well, no, like manufacturing, you know, managing them off of like, you know, random properties around different municipalities. If that becomes something that can get.
Marguerite Nader
Buying single site homes. Is that what you’re asking?
Michael Goldsmith
Correct.
Marguerite Nader
Oh, I think that, you know, what we found is that that community aspect of. Certainly we operate 450 communities across the country. I think, where our acquisition strategy is really focused on buying communities versus buying individual single off assets.
Jamie Feldman
Okay. All right, thank you.
Marguerite Nader
Thanks, Janie.
operator
One moment for our next question. Our next question comes to the line of Brad Heffern from rvc. Your line is open.
Marguerite Nader
Hello, Brad.
operator
Brad, you may be on mute.
Marguerite Nader
Victor, maybe if you could move to the next caller and then you get back to bread. Thank you.
operator
Yes, our next question will come from line of Eric Wolf from Citi. Your line is open.
Eric Wolf
Hey, thanks. Maybe to follow up on Michael’s question there at the beginning, I’m just trying to understand why the annual RV rental income goes from 4.5% in the first quarter to I think around 5.4% for the rest of the year. Just trying to understand sort of why it steps up from the first quarter.
Paul Edge
And stays at that higher level. Sure, Eric. The main driver of that moderate growth in the first quarter, RV And Marina annual rent growth is the comparison to our first quarter, 2025, which had a higher level of occupancy. You may remember we experienced attrition in the northern resorts as they came back in season in 2Q25, and that has some carryover impact to 1Q26.
Eric Wolf
Gotcha. And so this year, tell me if I’m wrong. You’re expecting normal attrition, normal turnover. Can you maybe just sort of tell us how much visibility you have into that at this point in the year? You have very good visibility because, I don’t know, 80% of your annual customers have already signed a lease or something like that. I’m just trying to understand how much visibility you have into that normal attrition at this point and what we should be watching, say, over the next couple months to determine whether that’s actually going.
Paul Edge
To happen or not.
Eric Wolf
Yeah, it’s. Patrick, it’s reasonable to view the attrition as normal. We had that period of elevated attrition early last year. Just as a reminder, we send out rent increase notices in the latter part of the year that there’s a timing component, but that covers the sun belts and our northern properties. And we’re going through a renewal process as we make our way through the back half of the year. So we have pretty good visibility at this point. I will note that in the north, there are some. The effective dates of those rate increases are typically April as we’re entering the summer season.
So there’s, you know, there’s renewals that.
Paul Edge
Occur at that point.
Patrick Ellis
But the visibility we have right now, we feel pretty confident that the elevated attrition that we experienced in the prior year is behind us.
Eric Wolf
Thank you.
operator
One moment for our next question. Our next question will come from line of Mana Sebek from Evercore. Isi, your line is open.
Marguerite Nader
Good morning.
operator
And we’ll go on to the next question. One moment.
Marguerite Nader
Thank you, Victor.
Yana
You’re welcome.
operator
Our next question will come from the line of Wesley Galladay from Baird. Your line is open.
Wesley Galladay
Hey, good morning, everyone.
Paul Edge
I have a question on the hey, good morning question on the domestic rv, transient and seasonal customer.
Wesley Galladay
Do you think we’re finally back to.
Paul Edge
Normalized numbers on that? Are we back to the trend line post? Covid.
Wesley Galladay
We’ve had that question over the last several quarters as we worked our way through, you know, the normalization of that business. You know, I think given what we’re seeing with respect to early pace, I feel that we, if we’re not at it, we have some we certainly see some, some green shoots with respect to positive trends on booking base going into 2026.
Wesley Galladay
Okay.
Paul Edge
And then on your expansions, are you targeting the higher growth Sunbelt markets for those expansions?
Wesley Galladay
Well, yeah, for the most part. That’s where the largest concentration of our portfolio is. So the significant majority of our expansions have occurred throughout the Sunbelt properties.
Marguerite Nader
And we do have a small expansion in the north in Minnesota, but other than that, they’re basically in the Sunbelt.
Paul Edge
Okay, and just one quick follow up on that. On the lease up, I know you.
Patrick Ellis
Delivered some on the MH side in the fourth quarter.
Paul Edge
What’s the typical time to lease that up and get the occupancy up?
Patrick Ellis
I mean, it depends on the number of sites. So just at any particular community, if you’re filling in the range of call it 20 to 30 a year you’re having, that’s a good pace for selling manufactured homes to new homeowners in an expansion.
Wesley Galladay
Okay, thank you very much.
Marguerite Nader
Thank you.
operator
Moment for our next question. Next question will come from line of John Kim from BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open. Thank you.
John Kim
This quarter you provided new disclosure on MH occupied sites at the beginning, at.
Patrick Ellis
The end of the quarter.
John Kim
So new disclosure is always good. The actual number went down though during the quarter. So I was wondering what contributed to the occupancy sites going down just given occupancy growth has been a focus for your company and just generally I think occupancy in MH has been at its lowest levels in about 10 years. And I’m wondering what has been driving that just given the demographic tailwinds that you talked about earlier.
Patrick Ellis
Yeah, John, it’s Patrick first. I’ll take the quarter. The outcome for the quarter was really driven by our number of sites where we have depleted our home inventory. We’re in the process of replenishing, which is just ordinary course of business for us and just the mix of move ins and move outs for the quarter, it’s down about 7010 basis points. I think to your point on the demand profile, we consistently see good demand and we feel very positive, positive going into 2026. So that has more to do with just the timing of the quarter as opposed to any takeaway on the fundamentals.
And just, you know, long term with respect to the view of occupancy, I mean, we continue to increase the number of occupied sites over the years. The percentage I appreciate, as we’ve talked about in the past, can fluctuate as we’re bringing on expansion sites into the denominator.
Marguerite Nader
And John, that was the kind of the reason for that new disclosure, just to be clear about those expansion sites.
Paul Edge
Yeah, that makes sense. Okay.
John Kim
Okay. So I’m asking on RVs today.
Paul Edge
Minus 7 degrees Celsius in Toronto, it’s.
John Kim
22 degrees Fahrenheit in New York. And I know in the past you talked about the colder weather potentially being a driver for transient and seasonal RV demand. It doesn’t sound like you feel that bullish on that today. But just wanted to get your updated thoughts on the cold weather impact on RVs.
Marguerite Nader
Sure, sure. So we obviously look at it on a daily basis, sometimes throughout the day. But what we’ve seen in the month of January, I think we’ve had three or four, only three or four days where we were not exceeding last year’s pace. So really positive pacing and it really is corresponding to what we’re seeing as the temperature’s dropping. Our marketing team does a really good job of monitoring the weather in the north and leveraging predictions for difficult weather, which is not difficult to do now because all the weather has been difficult across the country and encouraging the customers to escape the cold and visit our sun belt locations.
So we look at those marketing tools are weather related digital ads and organic posts and that’s generating some positive return for us as people try to escape this difficult weather.
John Kim
Great, thank you.
Marguerite Nader
Thanks, John.
operator
One moment for our next question. Our next question will come from the line of Jason Wayne from Barclays. Your line is open.
Jason Wayne
Hi, good morning.
Marguerite Nader
Good morning.
Jason Wayne
Just looking at the rental home business.
Patrick Ellis
Had a nice year in 25, some growth there. So I’m just wondering what’s the strategy there? And is that business one that you’d.
Jason Wayne
Like to continue growing moving forward?
Patrick Ellis
Yeah, I mean, that’s really going to be based on what we see from a demand perspective as we’re replenishing new home inventory across the portfolio and filling expansions. Our first priority is to sell the home. And as demand is coming at us, we may very well accept rentals. Rentals is a positive business in that it exposes more and more prospects to be future home buyers. And it’s been some time since we’ve spoke about this stat, but roughly 15 to 20% of our sales on property are to current residents. Those are either renters looking to purchase a home and become a home buyer or current home buyers that are looking to either downsize or get into an upgrade on their home.
Jason Wayne
And then you also began disclosing the rental home operating expenses.
Patrick Ellis
So just the 4Q increase was tied to those expansion then it sounds like. But just wondering how that’s expected to trend this year. Why it was kind of down the.
Jason Wayne
Rest of the year.
Patrick Ellis
Based on the disclosure.
Jason Wayne
Yeah, the rental home expenses, it’s essentially embedded in our operating expense growth assumption and what we see in that business. Yes, to the extent that we have incremental rental homes, we will see a higher level of expenses expense relative to prior periods. There is also impact just on the mix of homes that are in the rental program, whether they’re new homes that happen to be rented or homes that have previously been occupied. And the expense associated with the latter can be higher. So as that mix changes, we see a slightly lighter load on expenses.
Patrick Ellis
Got it.
Jason Wayne
Thank you.
Marguerite Nader
Thank you.
operator
One moment for our next question. Our next question will come from the line of David Siegel from Green Street Advisors. Your line is open.
David Siegel
Thank you.
Patrick Ellis
Guidance for the MH portfolio seems to imply that the vast majority of growth is coming from rent growth and only a small bump from probably occupancy or other income. And considering the higher level of expansion sites likely to be added this year versus last year, would it be fair to say that this implies occupancy will actually dip further this year?
Paul Edge
I guess I wouldn’t think about it that way. We have a practice that we’ve used for quite some time not to make a specific assumption about occupancy gains in our guidance and we’ve used that in building our model for 2026.
David Siegel
Thank you.
Patrick Ellis
And then just on RV performance in 4Q, it ultimately landed below the low.
Paul Edge
End of the range for the quarter.
Patrick Ellis
Although as of November it looks like it was tracking at the higher end of the range. Considering you mentioned the Canadian booking pace was in line with what was discussed in October. I just want to try and understand what happened in December to cause performance to lag so much.
Marguerite Nader
Yeah, I mean what we saw in December was really a weather effect going the other way. It was moderate temperatures kind of throughout the north and we didn’t see those bookings pick up like we had in previous years. So it’s kind of the opposite of what we’re seeing in January is what we saw in December.
David Siegel
Great.
Michael Goldsmith
Thank you.
Marguerite Nader
Thank you.
operator
One moment for next question. Question will come from the line of Omotayo Augustana from Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.
Michael Goldsmith
Yes.
Teof Augustine
Good morning everyone.
Marguerite Nader
Good morning.
operator
Morning.
Teof Augustine
You could talk a little bit about the cap grown membership results again. We kind of had another quarter where the membership count declined. I know in the past you’ve kind of Talked about making it up with kind of better pricing and upgrades and things of that sort. But I think even upgrade activity this quarter was a little bit light. So just curious what’s kind of happening there. What does that tell us too about overall demand, whether it’s on the transient side or seasonal side. Just kind of trying to get some read through from those results and how you’re thinking about it going forward.
Marguerite Nader
Sure. Thanks, Taylor. So I think, you know, the Thousand Trail system, as you know, has got about 80 properties with about 24,000 sites and I think 108,000 members right now. And I think it’s helpful you’ve mentioned the upgrade, but I think it’s helpful to just highlight all the pieces of the Thousand Trails business because we have our annual membership subscriptions where we sell those online and in the field. And that activity, I think about half of that activity comes from online activity. You know, initial subscriptions are sold online. That’s that $700 product that we’ve talked about, the entry level product that has a set of benefits to stay at the locations.
This line item now also includes our new upgrade dues product. And in the year we saw a healthy growth of over 5% in that line item. And then when you think about the Thousand Trails portfolio, you also, I think, need to consider the annual piece of it. And that’s where we see our members wanting to stay and have a more permanent stay at our communities. And that annual income has increased significantly over time, I think 7 or 8% over the last five years. Years. And then as it relates to the promotional membership originations which we highlight in the supplemental, we’re seeing tractions on that.
And that is trial memberships that’s included in the sale of an rv. And these are really just really great prospects for annual or camping passes at our properties. And we’ve seen an increase in conversion of those. And the conversion is the important piece because that’s the piece where the customer starts to pay dues in the year following their initial membership.
Michael Goldsmith
Gotcha.
Teof Augustine
So what’s the piece that’s kind of still, if I may use the word weak amongst all those moving pieces that’s kind of dragging down the counts and things like that.
Marguerite Nader
Sure. So what we’ve seen is there’s some attrition of some legacy members that are paying, we’re paying a lower dues amount and we’re bringing in new members that are paying a higher dues amount. And so that’s what you’re seeing in the Gotcha.
Michael Goldsmith
Thank you.
Marguerite Nader
Thank you.
operator
Tao, one moment for our next question. Our next question will come from line. Eric Wolf from Citi, your line is open.
Eric Wolf
Thanks for taking the follow ups for the non core income. It looks like it’s dropping 3.6 million year over year. I think it’s the same pool of properties in 2026-2025. So I was just curious what’s causing that.
Paul Edge
Sure. We have 6.6 million in our guidance for 26. That does compare to the 10.2 that we recognized in 2025. The difference is really attributed to timing of insurance proceeds and the recovery of the storm affected properties. There’s just a timing difference there.
Michael Goldsmith
Okay, so you expect to get it. It’s just because I mean normally when I think about business interruption proceeds, it’s the pay for the business interruption that you’re seeing. So you’re saying that you expect to get that at some point it’s just a timing difference or you already received it more in 2025 and than you thought you would.
Paul Edge
Exactly. The recognition occurs when it’s received and that doesn’t necessarily line up with when we would otherwise earn it.
Eric Wolf
Okay, and then I think your historical practice has been to not include any use of free cash flow in your core FFO estimate. Just confirming that that’s true this year. And then I guess sort of practically speaking is that 100 million of cash after dividends and recurring capex earmarked for anything this year. I assume perhaps it would just go to more inventory growth, but maybe help us understand where that could go.
Paul Edge
Yeah, I mean, I guess I’ll focus on the interest expense and our assumption for 2026. I mean certainly we look at our debt in place at the end of 25, scheduled principal amortization during 26 and then how our line of credit will increase or decrease throughout the year. We don’t make any assumption for a change in the short term borrowing rate, but the funding of working capital investments such as you described that comes from borrowings on the line of credit that exceed the free cash flow. So that includes purchasing homes for sale and rental in our communities.
The discretionary CapEx that we have, that includes expansion as well.
Michael Goldsmith
Okay, thank you, thank you, thank you.
operator
And since we have no more questions on the line at this time, I would like to turn it back over to Marguerite Nader for closing comments.
Marguerite Nader
Thank you all for joining today. We appreciate you taking the time and look forward to updating you on our next quarter call.
operator
Thank you for your participation in today’s conference. This does conclude the program you may now disconnect. Everyone.
Paul Edge
Have a great day.