HealthEquity Inc (HQY) Q2 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

HealthEquity Inc (NASDAQ: HQY) Q2 2022 earnings call dated Sep. 08, 2021.

Corporate Participants:

Richard Putnam — Investor Relations

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Ted Bloomberg — Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer

Tyson Murdock — Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Steve Neeleman — Vice-Chair and Founder

Analysts:

Greg Peters — Raymond James — Analyst

Anne Samuel — J.P. Morgan — Analyst

George Hill — Deutsche Bank — Analyst

Donald Hooker — KeyBanc — Analyst

Sean Dodge — RBC Capital Markets — Analyst

David Larsen — BTIG — Analyst

Scott Schoenhaus — Stephens — Analyst

Allen Lutz — Bank of America — Analyst

Joy Zhang — SVB Leerink — Analyst

Mark Marcon — Baird — Analyst

Presentation:

Operator

Welcome. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Richard Putnam, please go ahead.

Richard Putnam — Investor Relations

Thank you. May and good afternoon. Welcome to HealthEquity’s Second Quarter Fiscal Year 2022 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Richard Putnam. I do Investor Relations here for HealthEquity and joining me today is Jon Kessler, our President and CEO; Dr. Steve Neeleman, our Vice-Chair and Founder of the company; Tyson Murdock, the company’s EVP and CFO; and Ted Bloomberg, EVP and COO.

Before I turn the call over to Jon, I have two important reminders. First, a press release announcing our financial results for the second quarter of fiscal year 2022 was issued after the market closed this afternoon. The metrics reported in the press release include contributions from our wholly-owned subsidiary WageWorks and the account it administers.

The press release also includes definition of certain non-GAAP financial measures that we will reference here today. A copy of today’s press release including the reconciliations of these non-GAAP measures with comparable GAAP measures and a recording of the webcast can be found on our Investor Relations website, which is ir.healthequity.com. Second our comments and responses to your questions today reflect management’s view as of today, September 8, 2021 and will contain forward-looking statements as defined by the SEC including predictions, expectations, estimates and other information that might be considered forward-looking.

There are many important factors relating to our business, which could affect the forward-looking statements made here today. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause the actual results to differ materially from the statements made here today. As a result, we caution you against placing undue reliance on these forward-looking statements and we also encourage you to review the discussion of these factors and other risks that may affect our future results or the market price of our stock and they are detailed in our latest Annual Report on Form 10-K and in subsequent periodic reports that we filed with the SEC. We assume no obligation to revise or update these forward-looking statements in light of new information or future events. At the conclusion of our prepared remarks, we will turn the call over to the operator to provide instructions and to host our Q&A.

With that, I’ll turn the call over to our CEO, Jon Kessler.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Richard, gets better every time. Hello, everyone and thanks for joining us this afternoon. Today, we have good news to report. We’re announcing strong results for HealthEquity second quarter of fiscal ’22 ended July 31st and we are reaffirming guidance for the fiscal ’22 full year. I will discuss our Q2 results and pending acquisitions, Ted will review operations and integration progress, and Tyson will review the financial details of the quarter and provide updated guidance for fiscal ’22. Steve is here to join us for Q&A.

As always, let’s start with the five key metrics that drive our business. The team delivered strong year-over-year growth in HSA members and assets, while commuter and yield headwinds continue to impact revenue. Revenue of $189.1 million grew 7% versus the second quarter of last year due to improving year-over-year HSA member asset and other CDB growth along with one-time COBRA subsidy revenue that hit largely in Q2. And that was all partially offset of course by lower custodial yields and commuter benefit utilization, which remains well below pre-pandemic revenue levels.

Adjusted EBITDA of $65.5 million grew similarly, sequentially and up from the second quarter of last year of $60.0 million. Total accounts ended the quarter at $13.1 million, which does not include the nearly 700,000 commuter accounts that went into suspense since the beginning of the pandemic. HSA members at quarter’s end reached $6.0 million, up 11% year-over-year and HSA assets at quarter’s end reached a record $15.5 billion, up a larger 27% from a year ago.

The team delivered very strong first half sales results, including a fiscal second quarter record of 180,000 new HSAs, up 67% from 108,000 opened in Q2 last year. To date, this fiscal year, we have welcome 295,000 new HSA members, up 38% year-over-year and more than in the same period in any year of our history. HSA assets grew by $458 million during the quarter with most of that growth ending up in investments as members and their employers continue to contribute and invest. Investing HSA members in fact grew 42% year-over-year with more of our members connecting health and wealth. The average balance of HSA members grew a robust, I think it was incredible last quarter, now it’s robust, 14% year-over-year even during a quarter where member spend increased interchange revenue by 23% year-over-year. So people were spending and still contributing.

CDB accounts continued — also continued to grow as well even without a commuter rebound. The strong organic results in Q2 do not include the acquisitions of Further or Fifth Third Bank’s HSA portfolio, which have not yet closed. We believe the Further and Fifth Third transactions will enhance HealthEquity’s market leadership and scale in our core and growing HSA business, adding approximately 0.7 million HSAs and $2 billion of custodial assets upon their closings in total later this year. Further will also strengthen the network partner strategy that has helped fuel HealthEquity’s HSA growth from the start with significant new partners, increased commitment to the Blue Cross and Blue Shield system, new API based platform, capabilities to support flexible branding and deeper integration of HealthEquity into partner offerings. There truly are exciting things on the web.

As was reported in this morning’s 8-K filing, the Further agreement has been amended, moving the target date for close for the bulk of the business to November and creating a separate closing process where the $0.3 billion of Veeva assets. This provides Veeva fiduciaries time for review before transfer while protecting deal value through an earn out structure negotiated with the sellers. The Fifth Third portfolio transfer will occur shortly.

We are pleased with the results we’re reporting today in light of the pandemic’s continuing impact. Commuter revenue remains well under 50% of pre-pandemic levels with the delta variant leading many employers to push back return to office plans as you all know. Card spend plateaued in Q2, which we also see as an effect of the delta variant. These headwinds will eventually abate of course and the team has the opportunity for a strong second half capitalizing on a great sales start to the year.

I will now turn the call to Ted to review operations and integration. Mr. Bloomberg?

Ted Bloomberg — Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer

Thanks, Jon. As Jon mentioned, we’re pleased to report that second quarter new HSA sales were up 67% year-over-year and 56% sequentially from the first quarter this year. As you know, we recently promoted Steve Lindsay, a 15 year HealthEquity veteran to the position of Executive Vice President of Sales and Relationship Management. Steve has led the teams responsible for successful cross-selling efforts, expanding our partner relationships including launching our record keeper partnership effort and delivering high quality service to enterprise clients making them want to do more business with us.

In fact, Steve and his team recently forged a partnership with Health Care Services Corporation, better known as HCSC to bring HealthEquity’s total health solution bundle to HCSC’s Blue Cross and Blue Shield licensees in five states. Factoring in the further acquisition, we will soon be working together with approximately two-thirds of Blue Cross and Blue Shield licensees to connect health and wealth. Steve is purple through and through, has demonstrated his capabilities and we look forward to benefiting from his impact in this expanded role.

As we move into open enrollment with our clients and partners, we are optimistic as employers and employees reengage with their benefit programs. The marketing and engagement programs we have built are working. Our clients we have spoken with are overwhelmingly supportive of deploying them and we believe we can successfully educate our members and prospective members on the benefits we help their employer offer. We are also excited about Fifth Third and Further. We expect to complete the close and migration of Fifth Third before the end of Q3. They have been an exceptional partner, supporting the transition and referring new business to us already.

With respect to Further, we’ve gotten to know their team and couldn’t be more impressed. Planning efforts are underway to achieve $15 million of cost and revenue synergies within three years of close and growth opportunities within our existing clients and health plan relationships are exciting. The WageWorks integration effort is winding down with another platform migration completed and $5 million of additional synergies achieved in Q2. While we have completed 18 migrations and achieved $70 million of run rate synergies to date, there remain a number of small to mid-sized migrations to complete to achieve the remaining $10 million of the promised $80 million of permanent run rate synergies.

During Q2, we also completed the rationalization of our post WageWorks physical footprint. The team’s stellar performance over the past 18 months working from home has eased the process of concentrating future in-office work to just two locations. Draper, Utah and Irving, Texas along with a creative space for our awesome luminaries in Seattle. I’d also like to offer kudos to the entire organization for the tireless efforts to execute against the recent COBRA subsidy regulations. Our Q2 financial results reflect the realization of that concerted effort.

We’re now shifting our focus to deliver a successful busy season and we are highly optimistic that the investments we’ve made in self-service, technology, training, staffing and simplifying our platform will help us deliver purple during our busiest time of year. Early returns are positive as we are meeting or exceeding service levels across the business. While there is still much to do, the first half of fiscal ’22 has yielded record new HSA sale, strong integration synergies and successful scalable operational results. Thanks to the continued efforts from team Purple.

Now, I will turn it over to Tyson to review financial results and guidance.

Tyson Murdock — Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Ted. I’ll review our second quarter GAAP and non-GAAP financial results. A reconciliation of GAAP measures to non-GAAP measures is found in today’s press release. Second quarter revenue grew 7% as Jon indicated with each of our revenue components posting year-over-year gains. Service revenue grew 5% to $109.2 million, representing 58% of total revenue in the quarter. The second-quarter growth in service revenue is primarily attributable to 8% growth in average total accounts driven by growth in COBRA, partially offset by commuter accounts in suspense from the impact of the pandemic. While there remains an opportunity to provide additional COBRA services in the second half of fiscal ’22, most of the upfront work and nearly all the subsidiary revenue was recognized in Q2.

Custodial revenue grew 4% to $48.8 million in the second quarter compared to $46.9 million in the prior year second quarter, 18% growth in average HSA cash with yield at 88% growth in average HSA investments with yield more than offset a 33 basis point decline in the annualized yield on HSA cash. The annualized interest rate yield was 177 basis points on HSA cash with yield during the second quarter of this year. This yield is a blended rate for all HSA cash with yield during the quarter. The HSA assets table of today’s press release provides additional details.

Interchange revenue grew 23% to $31.1 million representing 16% of total revenue in the quarter. The interchange revenue increase was primarily due to a rebound in a spend across our platforms in the quarter and growth in average total accounts. Gross profit was $112 million compared to $101.8 million in the second quarter of last year and gross margin was 59% in the quarter.

Operating expenses were $112.8 million or 60% of revenue. Amortization of acquired intangible assets and merger integration expenses together represented 19% of revenue. Net loss for the second quarter was $3.8 million or a loss of $0.05 per share on a GAAP EPS basis. Our non-GAAP net income was $33.4 million for the second quarter of this year, up from $30.1 million a year ago. Non-GAAP net income per share was $0.40 per share compared to $0.42 per share last year.

Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter grew 9% to $65.5 million and adjusted EBITDA margin was 30% higher than prior trends due to the COBRA subsidy revenue in the quarter. For the first six months of fiscal ’22, revenue was $373.3 million, up 2% compared to the first six months of last year. GAAP net loss was $6.4 million or $0.08 per diluted share. Non-GAAP net income was $64.4 million or $0.78 per diluted share. And adjusted EBITDA was $124.5 million, up 1% from the prior year resulting in 33% adjusted EBITDA margin for the first half of this fiscal year.

Turning to the balance sheet. As of July 31st, we had $754 million of cash and cash equivalent with $974 million of debt outstanding net of issuance costs with no outstanding amounts drawn on our line of credit. The cash balance, of course, still includes the funding required to close the Further and Fifth Third HSA acquisitions. As you know, we routinely have on file with the SEC a shelf registration statement on Form S-3 to assure you we have access to the capital markets as needed. Our existing shelf registration expired yesterday, which means you will see a new S-3 soon.

Based on where we ended the second quarter and our current view of the economic environment, we are maintaining guidance for fiscal ’22 that we previously provided, which includes revenue for fiscal ’22 to range between $755 million and $765 million, non-GAAP net income to be between $122 million and $126 million resulting in non-GAAP diluted net income between $1.45 and $1.50 per share based upon an estimated 84 million shares outstanding for the year and adjusted EBITDA between $241 million and $247 million. Today’s guidance includes our most recent estimate of service, custodial and interchange revenue based on results to date. Compared to last quarter, our guidance includes a more conservative outlook for commuter revenue and interchange for the remainder of this year due to the delta variant surge, offset by the addition of Fifth Third Bank revenue expected in Q4.

We now expect to close the Further acquisition in Q4 this year. Guidance does not include any potential impact from the Further acquisition, except for the associated preparatory merger and integration expenses incurred through July 31, 2021. Our full year GAAP net loss and loss per share guidance includes the impact of this year to date merger and integration expenses. Our guidance assumes a rate on HSA cash with yield of approximately 175 basis points unchanged from prior periods. Our yield guidance does not factor the pending Further asset migration to HealthEquity depository and insurance partners at the then prevailing rates. Guidance also includes the benefit of run rate synergies achieved from WageWorks that Ted mentioned. The outlook for fiscal ’22 assumes a projected statutory income tax rate of approximately 25% and a diluted share count of 84 million.

Though we don’t provide quarterly guidance, let me speak for a moment about seasonality. During Q2, the company benefited from incremental revenue connected to the administration of COBRA subsidies included in the pandemic stimulus legislation, as you know, the stimulus plan subsidies ran from April to September. However, the bulk of revenue related to upfront notification and administration of the subsidies were earned in our second quarter. Guidance reflects our expectation of little additional COBRA subsidy revenue in Q3 and of course none in Q4.

Pre-pandemic, we also had a seasonal interchange pattern where our Q1 and Q4 were seasonally higher with Q3 being the lowest quarter for interchange revenue. As Jon mentioned, we have seen a plateaued spending excluding commuter and expect to return to the pre-pandemic seasonal revenue patterns for interchange again excluding commuter services. As we have done in recent reporting periods, our full year guidance includes a detailed reconciliation of GAAP to the non-GAAP metrics provided in the earnings release and a definition of all such items is included at the end of the earnings release. In addition, while the amortization of acquired intangible assets is being excluded from non-GAAP net income, the revenue generated from those acquired intangible assets is not excluded.

With that, I’ll turn the call back over to Jon for some closing remarks.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Tyson. I mean the story of this call I think is around improved efficiency as Tyson mentioned, as well as of course sales performance in Q2 and for the entire first half. And these are both team sports and in this case, particularly thinking about sales, the team includes everyone in HealthEquity, our network partners, our clients and their benefits advisors. And I wanted to say brief thank you to that group who have worked very hard with us over this period of time where there’s a lot of uncertainty to really produce good results.

And so with that, let’s open the call up to questions. Operator?

Questions and Answers:

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Greg Peters of Raymond James. Your line is open.

Greg Peters — Raymond James — Analyst

Good afternoon, everyone at HealthEquity.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Greg, [Speech Overlap]

Greg Peters — Raymond James — Analyst

Yes. Well, thank you for the call. And I guess I’m supposed to ask one question with one follow-up is that the rules, you didn’t really.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

I mean you’re in Florida. I don’t think anyone follows any of the rules anyway, so…

Greg Peters — Raymond James — Analyst

Well, yes, exactly. Well, I’m going to try and be respectful of my peers. I’ll stick to one question and one follow-up. So, let’s focus on custodial revenue and I think many are focused on or paying attention to where the three-year jumbo CD rate is. It really hasn’t moved much and more importantly, the data coming out of the banking industry suggests there’s just not a lot of new loan demand and so I thought I’d just provide you the opportunity to talk about your perspective on your — the cash yield that you’re going to be able to generate beyond just this year with your depository partners?

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Why don’t we — Tyson, why don’t you start with just a discussion of where we are on the guidance — from a guidance perspective for this year and how we’re thinking about the remainder of this year and I’ll opine a little bit on our longer-term strategy?

Tyson Murdock — Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yes, so. Hey, Greg. So 177 bps for Q2 and then of course the guide of 175 and that includes — we stayed there even though rates have come down, obviously like you just mentioned, as we’re confident in our ability to place — seasons getting little closer to make those placements, we’re watching that very closely and we feel like we’ve created some demand having more depository partners and of course some of our other partners that we work with. And so, we feel good about the guidance that we have before and now.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

So, yes. And so thinking about going forward, well, obviously I’m not going to offer multi-year guidance here and one of the things that is I think making us feel decent about — fundamentally about our business model, which going back to the first time we met, we talked about the fact that when the nice things about our model are being not attached to a particular bank or a particular insurance company or a particular investment firm or what have you, is that we have a lot of flexibility to pivot and do what’s best for our members and then for us in terms of being able to deliver them value and keep other fees down. And so, what I see there is a couple of things happening. First of all, we — as we get into kind of placement season here, we are — as we do from the bank perspective, playing the field and that seems to be going about as expected. Obviously, banking sector is going to be in our view, long-term challenge, but nonetheless in terms of basically, it’s not just the loan demand, but effectively being pushed by treasuries by the sort of cumulative effect of various government regulations and that’s not so helpful. However, what I also see happening here is and we’ve talked about this a little bit in the last couple of calls is, I see a mix shift occurring within our cash assets between the products that we offer. As you know, we offer our FDIC deposit product and we also offer an enhanced rates product that we’ve historically called Yield Plus, that’s an annuity product that generates higher — as the name implies, higher rates for our members and higher rates for us.

With the Further acquisition, we’ll be bringing on — a material amount of the Further transaction includes enhanced rates type business on the HSA side and that will be — from my perspective that’s serving as a catalyst for us to more effectively educate our members about their options, as well as to really do on that side of the house what we’ve tried to do on the deposit side, which is have multiple partners, work effectively with our partners, have telegraph our needs, build long-term relationships. And a way to think about that whole thing is it’s going to provide some stability underneath this number.

We’ve — and so we’ll I think provide guidance pretty shortly here either in December as we did last year or in January, February as we did the prior year, I’m not sure yet, but we’ll provide some guidance very quickly about 2023 fiscal year and what I would have people kind of just keep in mind is that I think the mix shift opportunity within the cash component is something that is actually potentially quite helpful to us and I think we’re uniquely positioned to do among competitors because we’re not pushing prop money market funds, we’re not trying to satisfy our own treasury officer and/or that kind of thing and we have the flexibility to move money where it’s most useful.

Greg Peters — Raymond James — Analyst

Yes. That makes sense. As my follow-up and it’s going to be a pivot, but the investment community as you — I’m sure you’re not — will not be surprised by there’s a lot of speculation going into your earnings print regarding just what’s going on with high-deductible health plan adoption this year in the industry and with new HSAs. And there were some out there suggesting that the growth in just the industry adoption for high-deductible health plans in HSAs just isn’t what it used to be. Maybe you could speak and — on your opinion on what the industry outlook is for this beyond just this year? And I know you spoke optimistically about the outlook and your strong second quarter results. So, I’m not trying to diminish that. I’m just curious about your perspective for the industry outlook.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, I guess my basic perspective is that there’s a — what I see is a divergence of providers between those that have scale and scope and can really meet the needs in terms of both potential distribution partners as well as ultimately employers members and in those where they are more limited. And I think if you look at what’s been printed out there in terms of our results now, as well as other results that have been printed you didn’t kind of see that and so that’s what I see. And so I think when folks look at this thing, obviously, the ultimate market answer is going to be somewhere between the winners and everyone else. And our job is to be one of the winners and so I think I feel good about where we ended up for the first half of this year in that regard. We’ll see what others have to say [Indecipherable] and others as they print, but certainly relative to the print you’ve seen that feels like it’s the case.

Greg Peters — Raymond James — Analyst

Just on that point…

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

And I should say in terms of both accounts and assets, so that seems pretty good.

Greg Peters — Raymond James — Analyst

On the account side though you used to talk about how the industry and we used to observe how the industry used to generate give or take three million new accounts per year that kind of reset last year with COVID. When you think about this year and next year, do you think we can get back to that three million account per year industry sort of run rate or is it going to be — it feels like it’s going to be less. That’s just the final question.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

I note that you’ve gone full rating on this one, but as a welcome — as a native welcome. But look, I don’t know the answer really. And I think nobody does and will go through the year and find out. What I do know is that growth of this market is going to be — is going to occur over a long period of time. We’re about 30 million accounts into a 60 million account market in my view and I’ve had that view in good times and bad times and what have you and the fundamental factors that lead us to that place haven’t changed. Healthcare has fads, but the idea of leaving people out in the cold in terms of their ability to spend tax efficiently and save for their retirement does not seem like that’s going to be one of the fads. And so I think there are — we’re going to have plenty of growth opportunity going forward and our job is to capture the most of it.

Greg Peters — Raymond James — Analyst

Got it. Thanks for the answers.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Greg.

Tyson Murdock — Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Greg.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Anne Samuel of J.P. Morgan. Your line is open.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Hi, Anne.

Anne Samuel — J.P. Morgan — Analyst

Hi. Thanks for taking the question. I was hoping maybe you could provide some incremental color on the incremental conservatism around commuter and interchange. And then maybe as we think about the commuter business, is there any offset from Luum, as commuter start to think about getting to work in different ways? Thanks.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Tyson?

Tyson Murdock — Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yes. Hi, Anne. How are you doing? So thanks for the question. And what I would say about that is like you I’m watching closely how this is playing out and as we looked at commuter over that second half based on what we had kind of thought about 90 days ago and watched the delta variant kind of rear its ugly head year and saw the news and looked at our own business and when we are going to come back, looked at other businesses and how they were going to come back and also just monitoring results as we see people start to utilize the cards and so on and so forth. It just felt better for us to be more conservative in the second half of the year given that — given those kinds of new themes. And I think every single day that goes by, it’s sort of — even makes it a little bit more in my mind feeling like it’s going to be a conservative come back as far as getting people back into the office.

I think the same is true on the interchange side and we wanted to temper that because again I think we’re in another situation where you see case counts rising, of course, I’m looking at the same charts that you’re looking at and those are rising and people are doing something different. This is still with us and so bringing in that conservatism and kind of making a point of that, it was important to kind of protect that second half of the year.

And then your other — the other question you asked on there as well was just about Luum and we feel good about what that team is doing in some ways. They have, it’s a similar impact for people when they get back in the office. There’s more utilization of that platform. There’s more interest in it, but it creates a lot of really great conversations around the commuter benefits that are already integrated in there. And again, I think — if you think about long-term versus quarter to quarter, this is going to be something that really helps us over that period of time. So I’d kind of leave it at that. Jon, any other comments. No, I think that makes sense. I mean it’s — well, I’ll just say — we don’t know what’s going to happen in the second half of the year. We feel good about having been perhaps less sanguine than others were, not that we were expecting delta, but back in June when everything look pretty rosy, we were cautious and we got some criticism for that. I think as it turns out that caution in terms of the pace of commuter rollback was warranted. And look — I don’t have a crystal ball on this. So, we try to guide what we see and if we can deliver better results, of course, we will just as we did this quarter.

Anne Samuel — J.P. Morgan — Analyst

Great, very helpful. Thank you.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you. Thanks, Anne.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of George Hill of Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Hey, George.

George Hill — Deutsche Bank — Analyst

Hey, John. How’s it going? I say, Jon, I’m going to leave the witness here a little bit, which is we look at the tough rate environment, the delta variant, flowing commuter and interchange expectations. I guess I would ask any changes on how you guys think about cap deployment?

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

I don’t know where you’re leading me to. That’s my concern. I don’t know, George. What do you think?

George Hill — Deutsche Bank — Analyst

[Speech Overlap] I’m a former bank. I’ll tell you something.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, at least its former. That’s good. Look, I think as is obvious from our activity, the M&A pipeline feels like there are a lot of opportunities there. We’re going to focus on going forward I think is stuff that — at least in the near term here would be stuff that looks a little like Fifth Third where its portfolio acquisition, the cash flows immediately that kind of thing. I think that’s the right thing to be doing in this environment. I — and none of those things are going to go crazy, but I think the right way to think about it is that the capital that we have — there are going to be — we’ve been saying this for years and it’s been true, right.

Like, yes, we’re generating cash and yes there are good ways to use it. That generate very strong return to our shareholders and very predictable return. And I think that’s likely to be what we’re going to do and there does seem to be a decent pipeline for those things. And so that’s kind of where we’ll be. I don’t see us looking at this environment we have today and doing anything that’s in the nature of strategic pivot or what have you we — with Further, we decided to — as you know, I think we decided to both sort of double down on our view about the opportunities within our health plan partners and then also, we have a view that from a technology perspective, the ability to do more API work, more gray label work, more product integration is going to be good, not only in the health plan channels, but elsewhere. And I — that makes perfect sense to me and that, but that’s — that to me is a modest pivot. We’re not going to do any big pivots any time soon. I don’t think.

George Hill — Deutsche Bank — Analyst

Yes. I think you saw exactly where I was leading you. I think that the more direct question would have just been like, do you see more opportunity in the business as you’re currently in or is there a chance to take greater share of wallet with the clients you serve with new offerings? But I think you gave me the answer pretty clearly. Thank you.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes. I mean I think we have plenty of wallet share opportunity within the products we have from a cross-sell perspective and that was helpful in this quarter. It’s been helpful for the last year and that’s probably — let’s go and get the wallet share we can with our existing products and one nice thing about that and and maybe in a further question, Ted, will have a chance to elaborate on this as we’re really honing our skills in that area and so if there are other opportunities later down the line, great.

George Hill — Deutsche Bank — Analyst

Okay. I’ll hop back in. Thank you.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, George.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Donald Hooker of KeyBanc. Your line is open.

Donald Hooker — KeyBanc — Analyst

Great. Good afternoon. Thank you for the question here. So, I’m sorry if I missed this, but you talked about the COBRA subsidies benefiting the quarter. Did you size them or was that the entirety of the sort of upside to your expectations?

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Tyson, you want to take that.

Tyson Murdock — Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yes. I think the way to look at that, Don, thanks for the question, is just when you saw us go to guidance increases over the course of the spring. So you saw us raise for COBRA and Luum early on and then you know it just started to materialize a little bit more in there and so that was the way that we sort of messaged that, but we didn’t go out and specifically size the increase, but those things kind of played out like we expected and it was probably a little better and that was good. So, a lot of hard work by the team to get it done and to do it right. And so I think improved a lot of things in our business as well about what we’re capable of doing.

Donald Hooker — KeyBanc — Analyst

Super. Maybe one quick follow-up. You guys commented going into the enrollment season here. You had some learnings from last year from the COVID environment around self-service, training, and technology and whatnot. Are there one or two things you would highlight to us that could be sort of some — give us some room for optimism this benefits enrollment season from which you learned last year?

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes. Ted, why don’t you to take that one?

Ted Bloomberg — Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer

I had a feeling that picture was coming from Jon. Yes, I would say there’s two or three things that give me great optimism. The first one is that is the way that we do virtual education and open enrollment support. In previous years, we were constrained a little bit by how physically proximal we could get to our members and prospective members and it was fairly inefficient.

And I think one of the great things that COVID helped us with and that we were on top of was moving to a virtual model. We can serve more people, help more people, create more content, be with the families and they want to engage with the content like we’re not to show up at work, we can create content on demand and support that with team members where if you want to sit down with your spouse and go through your benefits where they are to support that effort and the results that we saw last year for — were really a cause for optimism and we’re off to an equally good, if not better start this year. So, I think the pivot to virtual open enrollment in the way we were able to support that and the way our clients kind of jumped on board by partnering with us to support that is one big cause for optimism.

I think, secondly cause for optimism is maybe a little bit less factoring on the revenue side, but equally important, which is we don’t have 22 platforms anymore, that really helps. I mean, we’ve done a lot of work over the last two years. We’ve done 18 migrations. That doesn’t mean yet we’ve sunset 18 platforms because some of those migrations are multi-step, but we’re serving far fewer platforms with far more robust and capable cross-training, far better awareness of what both our clients and members are asking us for and it’s helping us service people more effectively and without stuff kind of falling through the cracks. I think that puts us in a better position to have a successful busy season. So, those would be the two points I would make, one on the growth side and then one on both the cost containment and service side that are exciting from my chair. Jon, if you have anything to add there.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

I think if you take all that together and throw in the discussion that we’ve had over the last few quarters here with regard to technology investments in both API based infrastructure and also from a data perspective, I mean, I think it’s not very obvious from the results in recent quarters with all the noise around COVID and other factors, but underneath the covers what we are trying to do is — the way we look at this is, we are in a market that from a secular perspective is going to have decent growth and certainly steady growth and we’re going to outperform.

The way we can turn that into spectacular outperformance, particularly from a margin perspective that is growing revenue and serving people efficiently, is by maintaining our roots as a true technology company and you’re going to see — those who watch closely, very closely, have already seen investments in that area and you’re going to see more in terms of both people and feature functionality and so forth as we begin to integrate further. There is a lot of opportunity to apply technology to a market that is going to be there for us. We feel very confident about that and that we’re already able to outperform to kind of make that even better. And then open enrollment is just kind of one great example of that.

Donald Hooker — KeyBanc — Analyst

We’ll, look forward to it. Good luck with that.

Tyson Murdock — Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Thanks so much.

Ted Bloomberg — Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer

Thank you.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Don.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Sean Dodge of RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Mr. Dodge.

Sean Dodge — RBC Capital Markets — Analyst

Hi. Thanks for taking the questions. I guess first with a quick clarification on the guidance. Is there a revenue contribution from Fifth Third and this round that was not included in last quarter’s guidance.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Tyson, you want to take that one.

Tyson Murdock — Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yes, there is actually and so we’ve included that that was, we talked about that as essentially sort of the offset in there to kind of maintain and so you do have that inorganic growth located in there, but it’s relatively small.

Sean Dodge — RBC Capital Markets — Analyst

I guess, it is like a couple of million?

Tyson Murdock — Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

We haven’t put a number out there.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, I mean, I’m not going to give number out, but it’s not — think it like this way we won’t yet, but couple of months of it and it’s not a huge number either way, so.

Sean Dodge — RBC Capital Markets — Analyst

Okay, fair enough. And then another kind of quick one on Further and Fifth Third, there is, like you said about, 700,000 HSAs between the two. Is this a — it’s like a net estimate or do you have a sense of the net contribution of the quality HSAs that this will bring? I mean, net of account duplicate, zero balance accounts and attrition, start with the migration that I think you saw with WageWorks?

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

I think the answer to that is roughly, yes. There are — I want to think about particularly with Further where we are less because we’re not — in both cases we’re not closed yet. In the case of Further because of [Indecipherable] there’s a little bit of probably information that we’re missing that makes that imperfect, but order of magnitude the answer is yes.

Sean Dodge — RBC Capital Markets — Analyst

Okay, all right, great. That’s all from me. Thanks.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of David Larsen of BTIG. Your line is open.

David Larsen — BTIG — Analyst

Hi, can you talk about your EBITDA margin expectations going forward longer term, in the medium term and also maybe your costs overall? It looks like as a percentage of revenue on a year-over-year basis, sales and marketing and tech and development and G&A are all up and they’re also obviously up sequentially. So just any thoughts there. And like the $80 million in cost synergies, that’s a really big number, that’s like one quarter’s worth of full adjusted EBITDA. So just any thoughts on what your expectations are for EBITDA margin expansion going forward would be very helpful? Thank you.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, Tyson. Why don’t you hit this one and I could preview, but go ahead.

Tyson Murdock — Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Sounds good. What we continue to talk about internally and externally is that we’ll continue to grow revenue at a steady clip and into double digits as account growth occurs and obviously asset growth is another counter to that and then growing EBITDA margin even a little bit more quickly than that. And so that’s getting to the efficiencies and Jon was mentioning this earlier and that’s really about how we service our clients for our biggest costs.

And so you think about the virtualization of enrollment, you think about self-service opportunities, you think about the consolidation of the platforms such as you mentioned that relates largely to the cost synergy that’s occurring is that we consolidate those platforms, everything around those platforms as well as located in that synergy related to particularly service, but all other aspects you think about, like I said sales and marketing technology and G&A, there are efficiency opportunities I think even beyond that synergy estimate as we’ve said before.

And then I think just to kind of hit into the operating parts — the operating expenses and your question was broad, so I’m trying to make sure I took a couple of scrawled notes here, but let me know if I missed something here. Of course, on the technology side, there is large investments that are occurring that are capitalized, but of course then the amortization starts to occur on that. There’s also the talent that we have within technology and paying for that. So, you’ve got the related stock comp in there as well. To get the right talent into the doors, we merge platforms and as we try to get down to essentially single platform, which again increases that efficiency.

And then if I talk a little bit about sales and marketing, I think this has been something that really under the tutelage of Ted and other leaders, we’ve really made a lot of progress here and built out this function for company over the last, particularly three years to really do this in a way that allows our users to learn more quicker, easier about HSA growth and I think the quarter of growth in HSA it can be a little bit of a testament to that and then we’ll see how we do when we go through an enrollment season. So, I think that investment is worth of course within technology, you’ve got security.

That’s a big focus of the company as we mature, you get larger, to make sure that we’ve got the appropriate security in place. And so I think all those things you’re seeing are just really investments for that long-term future when we think about where we’re going to be over the years and as we move towards that TAM. I guess I’ll stop there, but I probably didn’t hit everything, David, but you can just ask another question or Jon can maybe add those things.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Maybe just one thing that may not be obvious is unless you look down below is that, is the effect of stock comp expense on an unadjusted basis on each of these expense items, particularly the opex items and we — David as we’ve I think discussed, but over the last few years here, we’ve gone from options to RSUs and then in the case of our senior most executives PRS use based on relative TSR. And I think as investors that’s what people want us to do. But the practical effect is — as you probably know is that from an accounting perspective, you get additional expense without any additional burn. And so that’s had I think in percentage term some effect that’s not immaterial on these as kind of the accounting of that has pulled out. And so, maybe offline, if we want to detail some of that we can, but that’s something that’s in these numbers that matters.

David Larsen — BTIG — Analyst

Okay, great. No, that’s very helpful. Thank you very much. And then just any color around the health card spend would be great. And are you seeing volumes come back up both on the inpatient side and on the ambulatory side?

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

So I’ll start and then throw to Tyson. We said last quarter that we felt like looking at spend that — spend for the first quarter of our fiscal year had kind of reached back to pre-pandemic levels and that was true. Things were a little more, well, maybe I’ll just answer both. Things were a little more patchy in the second quarter in the sense that we had good months and then particularly as we got towards the end of the quarter and you saw a little more potential effect from delta, a little bit softer. Not, anything like the pandemic period of time, but a little bit softer. And I think that’s consistent with what other folks have reported in terms of utilization and the like. I don’t know that to be true, but I suspect it to be true.

And we did take a little bit off the table for the second half of the year thinking about this just because like we don’t know what’s going to happen, but overall, we’re kind of, as I think, as we said a couple of times in the prepared remarks, we kind of feel like we’ve plateaued at this level and then just — we just have to think about — as do you as you forecast remainder of the year that pre-pandemic seasonally, the first and fourth quarters are strongest and the second and particularly the third quarters are our weakest just because of people’s spending patterns and so those are other factors that are out there.

David Larsen — BTIG — Analyst

Great, thanks very much. Congrats on a good quarter.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

Tyson Murdock — Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Thanks.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Scott Schoenhaus of Stephens. Your line is open.

Scott Schoenhaus — Stephens — Analyst

Hey team. thanks for — hey, thanks for taking my questions. So my first question is on the new HSA member growth, looks like it’s the largest new member adds in any 2Q going back in my model in recent years. Can you provide us on any color where this is coming from? Is it more on the cross-selling opportunities that you’re executing on the WageWorks client base? Any color would be great. Thanks.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Ted, why don’t you to take this one?

Ted Bloomberg — Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer

Sure. Thanks for the question. I think it’s really three things. I think the first one is some deals that were stuck last year getting unstuck, which helps. I think the second place would be sort of general channel performance. the record keeper channel is really showing some growth for us, but we’re also doing very well with our health plans and with our benefits, advisors and brokers and consultants. So, I think that’s another place where we’re winning. I think the third one is just really good net hiring from existing clients. A lot of our clients are experiencing an economic recovery and therefore adding team members and those team members open HSAs, which is super helpful and then we continue to have, as you alluded to a strong cross sell year as well, especially in the enterprise space being our largest client, I would say those four things.

Scott Schoenhaus — Stephens — Analyst

That’s great. And I guess my follow-up question is around that last cross-sell opportunity, particularly on the WageWorks size. I believe when you guys acquired Wage less than 3% of their clients had an HSA account. Where is that today? And then how is COVID impacting this cross-selling opportunity for the HSA business given the current impaired commuter market?

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Tyson, can you take than one?

Tyson Murdock — Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yes, I’m happy to take that one, Jon. Thanks. Sorry. So I think from — I think it’s cross wind — COVID’s cross wind from a cross-sell perspective. On the one hand, I think we’re the beneficiary of some vendor and partner consolidation that may come from an over taxed people department. And so I think we’re winning some cross sell deals and pulling some cross sell deals through the pipeline faster because vendor consolidation is attractive to overburdened HR departments.

I think on the flip side, we’re seeing a little bit of paralysis saying, yes, we want to go with you guys, but we just can’t make a move this year, which we actually think sets us up well in the future. And with respect to cross, I don’t have that number, we can try to follow up with you on what percentage of WageWorks clients’ — legacy WageWorks clients offer an HSA, but I would just highlight two things. The first one is our cross-sell is an HSA. We’re actually experiencing a lot of other consumer directed benefits account cross sell in the legacy HealthEquity base and then that HSA cross sell into the Wage base and I would say I think the biggest opportunity remaining that we haven’t quite cracked the code on a sort of that below the enterprise space cross sell, meaning our top several hundred clients — the few thousand clients below that space, I think that were sort of just revving up the engines there. So to me that’s one of the places — one of the reasons for optimism.

Scott Schoenhaus — Stephens — Analyst

Thanks very much.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Allen Lutz of Bank of America. Your line is open. Hey thanks. Thanks for taking the questions. Hey, John. Going back to the service revenue. There is a nice step-up sequentially. I guess outside of COBRA and then outside of adding new accounts, is there anything that increased sequentially in there that we should think about?

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Jon, you want to take take this one.

Ted Bloomberg — Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer

I mean, I think sequentially, specifically stating that there is, I mean, I would be pretty consistent when you think about other things like commuter, interchange. Obviously, interchange we called out as more stabilized, commuters pretty flat sequentially, if you will, other than maybe their card swipes starting to happen with users that already in there, but that’s pretty small. And so it’s really just that big COBRA piece of revenue that kind of causes that to be kind of an anomaly for the year relative to so much as smoothing out the rest of the quarters.

And so, I call it that — if I tried to kind of pick that apart even a little bit more like I said HSAs are largely set at the beginning of the year, obviously we had a good Q2, so that adds in a lot, but most of the HSAs are going to come in season, right, although still got Q2 is pretty big. So, anyway, I would say that’s about it. I don’t know. Jon if there’s any thoughts you have.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, I mean I just. I think you have all the right factors Allen. I mean the big picture is that in terms of the wins that are out there is — biggest picture is we have a bundle strategy and our bundle strategy is about — while that may produce a slight headwind to per unit service fees, it’s a boon to margin profit total revenue, however you want to think about and apropos Ted last answer. Looking more specifically at this period, this year, basically look at the first half, you’ve got — if you just divide service fees by total accounts, you’ve — you’re down 5% year-over-year. What’s going on there.

You — on the one hand, you’ve got the commuter accounts that are in suspense that really hurt because they are from a service fee perspective, our highest per account product. And then on the other side COBRA subsidy somewhat helped. And both of those things are going to abate over time and it will be — we’ll be right back where we started, which is by and large our basic view of service fees is that they’re are pretty steady with the effect of in total with things like bundling and mix shifts and so forth that may happen from time to time, you’re having an impact.

Allen Lutz — Bank of America — Analyst

That’s great. And then on the selling season, is there any way to quantify how the selling season is going maybe versus your fiscal ’21 and fiscal ’20? Is it reasonable to expect account growth to be in terms of new account adds to be at similar levels or whatever you can provide there? Thanks.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, we’re trying to, I mean I will say we’re trying to get out of the business of which we got in during the pandemic, so the people could really understand what’s going on. We started providing some pipeline information and you’ll note we didn’t do it here. I think I promised last quarter that we would try and get out of this business and so we are. And so let me not do that, I could, and I’m sure you’d like it, but what I think here’s a wide at look at is if you look at the first half of the year, we opened 295,000 HSAs and grew CDB business by about 3%. How we’ll do in — the implication would be if you sort of follow out prior years that — as we’ve talked about already in this call that we’re going to do better when all is said and done this year than in prior years.

And that’s a great implication, but we have to deliver on it and delivery on it involves I think in practice three factors. The first is kind of running through the finish line in terms of sales, particularly with our health plan partners that get the sales later in the year with smaller customers and so forth. And in that regard, the point Ted made about adding HCSC is kind of nice. It’s a new partner to work with. This will be the first year. So it won’t be crazy, but it’s all new. And that’s really good.

And the second thing we have to do is execute on open enrollment and that’s also Ted talked about that and I think we’re very well positioned to do that this year. Open enrollment really delivered for us last year when all was said and done. And things were looking a lot less great on prior open enrollment and so we’ve kind of doubled down on that and we’ll see how it goes. But obviously, I think we have all the right like soldiers and tenants and I have a strategic board in my head on the field.

And then lastly macroeconomics matter. The hiring that occurred among benefits eligibles over the course of the first, particularly the first half of the year was definitely helpful certainly relative to last year. And so that helps to when our clients expand that means more business for us and we’ve seen some of that and so we’ll see how the second half goes in total. But those are the factors that will really matter. The first two we control, the third we don’t and so we’ll work on the ones we can control.

Allen Lutz — Bank of America — Analyst

Makes sense. Thank you.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, sir.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Stephanie Davis of SVB Leerink. Your line is open.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

For a minute, I thought we weren’t going to hear from you. I couldn’t believe we…

Joy Zhang — SVB Leerink — Analyst

This is actually Joy Zhang on for Stephanie. She is unavailable.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Hi, Joy.

Joy Zhang — SVB Leerink — Analyst

Well, thank you for taking my question. I’m good. One of the positives for a lower interest rate environment is that your competitive landscape is becoming more favorable. With that in mind, how should we think about the cadence of portfolio acquisitions going forward? Can we expect a continuation of that piece of two acquisitions within five months like you’ve done with Further and Fifth Third? And can you talk about what the pipeline looks like for a potential target?

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes. I mean we don’t operate with any particular cadence as you know. We don’t want to price stuff into the market that isn’t there and people are like, oh, well you promised. So I guess, but — and I will say that Further is a little bit different in the sense that it has also a technology element and a strong, strong channel element that kind of I think make it a larger transaction along with the Veeva product and, of course, the ability to really scale out our enhanced rates product and so that product.

But I think if I look at like the Fifth Third type transactions, we’d love to be doing those kinds of things at that size or below all day. And what I expect that you will see from us over the course of the next couple of quarters are, in particular, I think what you’re going to see is we’re going to try and — I think we’re going to try and do everything we can to position the company to be able to do those and one of the things that’s I think remarkable and we will, as I commented and Ted elaborate on a little bit in the call or in the prepared remarks I should say, we — I’m going to focus on Fifth Third for a second. Fifth Third will be close pretty shortly here and close means that the migration happened in that transaction.

So, yes, we’re still doing WageWorks and we’re working to gear up Further and those are real transactions involving people and processes and so forth. But. oh, by the way, there’s a well-oiled machine there that is serving new customers, working with a new partner to make their customers happy, making them happy, bringing them on board, doing it in a compliant way and that’s I think in terms of our opportunities to outperform the market. If we can outperform organically, and then, oh, by the way, have a steady stream of these over the long term that really bodes well in terms of our ability to generate — ultimately to generate cash flow that reflects in the value of the shares.

So I guess without committing to a cadence, my answer is that we are certainly going to try and set the company up to continue to do these things as they materialize and your premise that is in a low for long environment, there should be more of them is right. And our ability both through cross-sell and through a broader product set and through enhanced rates, so forth to really capitalize on these transactions in a low for long environment is I think better than anyone else in the market.

Joy Zhang — SVB Leerink — Analyst

That’s very helpful color. One more follow-up from me.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, ma’am.

Joy Zhang — SVB Leerink — Analyst

On your connecting health and wealth strategy given that one of your competitors just expanded into the retiree reimbursement arrangements market. Can you provide some color on if you’re current product suite includes that offering or there’s an area you want to expand and deal?

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

It does. I wasn’t, I have to know, I’m not sure what the point of the press release was, but we read the same press release. And I mean I don’t know it’s probably a good argument for doing fewer rather than more press releases, which we have tried to embrace. But maybe the answer is yes. And there are — these are typically HRA accounts. There are some other flavors, obviously the Veeva business that will be picking up with Further is a sort of a form of those accounts as well and those are out there. I don’t know that there a particular magic area of market wide growth. What I do know is that what we want to be there to do is to provide total solutions to our clients and to our partners, so that our partners aren’t running around looking for one from here and one from there and whatnot and having those capabilities really helps do that.

Joy Zhang — SVB Leerink — Analyst

That makes a lot of sense. Thank you very much.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, Ma’am.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of…

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

I note the non-denial on the idea that Stephanie is in the Hampton. So I’ll take that for whatever. Mark.

Mark Marcon — Baird — Analyst

Hey, you obviously had a great quarter in terms of HSA adds. I’m wondering if you can talk a little bit about what you’re seeing in terms of the competitive environment on the whole? There’s obviously one large competitor out there that some people focus on, but on the flip side, there’s, it’s a fragmented market and there is a lot of players that probably aren’t being super aggressive. So when you think about the entire competitive environment, how would you net it out in terms of for this coming selling season and going into next year? And then I have a follow-up.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, I mean, I think I would go and I’m going to ask Ted if he would like to elaborate or Steve for that matter since both of them spend plenty of time out there kind of in hand to hand combat. Okay. I think the big picture is around scale and scope and what I think of as our most significant competitors, obviously, Fidelity we’ve talked about and then UNH in terms of size. They’re great competitors. But you know what, the implication of that is that there are great companies that also want to partner with us. So, they’re good companies, but — Vanguard is a great company and HCSC is a great company and ADT is a great company and those are all companies that are partnered with us and we don’t — it doesn’t just have to be us. We don’t have to carry all the plate.

And that’s always been a bit of our secret sauce and that’s our secret sauce. And when you look at what we’re doing from a technology perspective and even from a people perspective, if you look at the move to bring Steve Lindsay in the sales leadership, I mean that’s a strategy — that’s a strategic calculation on our part about the value of having both the ability to go out and meet a client wherever they are, whether that’s directly with their broker, with the health plan partner, with retirement partner, would have been admin partner, with the payroll partner I guess. And so I just think it’s a winning formula to have somebody in the industry that does that and we’re that somebody. Ted you, anything else you’d add to that.

Ted Bloomberg — Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer

No, you said, you made the point. Jon about distributing through channels that I was going to, but I think Steve Neeleman you lead the league in the executives, the finalist meetings. Would you care to offer any commentary on what you’re seeing out there.

Steve Neeleman — Vice-Chair and Founder

Sure. I wish we could be in person. I will tell you that funnels me remotely aren’t that best situation. But I think we’re working through it. But I think the short of it is the more things change more they stay the same. I mean, we know about UNH selling within your footprint, we know about Fidelity kind of trying to connect for own case we’ve heard that on time, but I think that the announcement that we made today about HCSC. I mean, we really do have the broadest kind of channel partnerships in the country and I think that for companies that don’t have their own solution, which most large health plans don’t, I mean, the biggest do, but the most large ones and small ones and mid-size ones and everyone’s don’t, they come to HealthEquity because they know that we’re going to help them compete and the reason why they choose us is in.

I’ll tell you this is, they think that aligning with HealthEquity, they have a better chance to win and retain business. And so we’re just doubled down on that strategy. We do some direct sales, but we do a lot of channel sales. And so, I don’t think it’s changed that much, honestly, in the last four to five years.

Mark Marcon — Baird — Analyst

That’s great. And then you’ve had a lot of time to think about Further and I’m wondering if you can add some additional comments with regards to just the technology and the channel partnership that you’re going to gain with Further as you’ve looked at it even more and gained Further appreciation of what it brings to the table.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Ted, why don’t you start this one?

Ted Bloomberg — Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer

Sure. First of all, I’ll point out that whenever you’re talking about Further, you inadvertently use the word Further you just did it and I do it 17 times a day, it definitely happens, but I think the punch line is we’re incredibly excited about the distribution relationships that they have and these are some of the nation’s vast and most effective most forward thinking health plans and we look forward to continuing to grow and develop the partnerships with them, starting on we’re doing as much planning as we can while bound obviously by the data sharing rules that are in place to ensure that we remain competitors until we close, but we’re really excited about that.

I think from a technology perspective, for me, it’s a little bit less of our technology and a little bit about meeting the health plan partners where they are. Jon used the terms I hadn’t heard him used before, which is white labeling, right, which I’m interpreting him. It’s not quite white labeling, it’s a lots of different choices about how health plans want to go to market with HSAs. And I think not only this Further have technology that we’ll be able to avail ourselves relatively quickly, but they also have expertise in doing, which we’re really excited about.

And we think we have a lot to learn from them in terms of how — which of those buttons — with pressing which of those buttons matters. Sometimes it can be a co-brand, sometimes it can be getting all the way into the entire communication stream that the health plan deploys and it’s really trying to meet those health plan partners where they are to make there — to help them take HSAs and other consumer directed benefits to market as effectively as possible. I think that’s what we’re most excited about.

And the last point I would make before I turn it over to Jon to see if he has anything to add, is one of the things that constraints the growth of fast growing companies is talent and so you want to find consumer-directed benefit, experienced, talented capable people wherever you can and that’s one of the things we’re really excited about with respect to the Further acquisition because we think that it’s nearly 400 people who can help contribute right away and understand the industry and have been successful in the industry and I think that’s another huge opportunity for us from a closing Further perspective and candidly I just cannot wait to close it and get on with it. Jon, anything you’d add.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

No, that was all. Thank you.

Mark Marcon — Baird — Analyst

Thanks for taking the question.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, sir.

Operator

There are no further question at this time. I will now turn the call over to Jon Kessler for closing remarks.

Jon Kessler — President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, everyone, thank you, stay safe, stay same, it’s going to get better. We’re all getting through this. Our team is doing a good job of getting through it. We hope you’re pleased with today’s results and we’re hoping to deliver more of them to you over the next quarter. Thank you.

Operator

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