Host Hotels & Resorts, Inc (HST) Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Host Hotels & Resorts, Inc (NASDAQ: HST) Q2 2025 Earnings Call dated Jul. 31, 2025

Corporate Participants:

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Jamie Marcus — Senior Vice President

JAMES F. RISOLEO — President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

SOURAV GHOSH — Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer

Analysts:

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Duane Pfennigwerth — Analyst

Chris Woronka — Analyst

David Katz — Analyst

Smedes Rose — Analyst

Ari Klein — Analyst

Robin Farley — Analyst

Dan Pulitze — Analyst

Daniel Hogan — Analyst

Chris Darling — Analyst

Gregory Miller — Analyst

Jack Armstrong — Analyst

Presentation:

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Good morning and welcome to the host Hotels and Resorts second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. Today’s conference is being recorded at this time. I would like to turn the call over to Jamie Marcus, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Jamie Marcus — Senior Vice President

Thank you and good morning everyone. Before we begin, please note that many of the comments made today are considered to be forward looking statements under federal securities laws as described in our filings with the sec. These statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause future results to differ from those expressed and we are not obligated to publicly update or revise these forward looking statements. In addition, on today’s call we will discuss certain non GAAP financial information such as ffo, adjusted EBITDA revenue, comparable hotel level results. You can find this information together with reconciliations to the most directly comparable gap information in yesterday’s earnings press release in our 8K filed with the SEC and in the supplemental financial information on our website@hosthotels.com with me on today’s call are Jim Rosolio, President and Chief Executive Officer and Saurav Ghosh, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

With that I would like to turn the call over to Jim.

JAMES F. RISOLEO — President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Thank you Jamie and thanks to everyone for joining us this morning. We are proud to have achieved another strong quarter of operating and financial results leading to outperformance in the first half of 2025. In the second quarter we delivered adjusted EBITDA re of $496 million, an increase of 3.1% over last year and adjusted FFO per share of $0.58, an increase of 1.8% over last year. Second quarter adjusted EBITDA RE and adjusted FFO per share benefited from $9 million of business interruption proceeds related to Hurricanes Helene and Milton, while the second quarter of 2024 benefited from $30 million of business interruption proceeds related to Hurricane Ian and the Maui Wildfires.

Comparable hotel Total RevPAR improved 4.2% compared to the second quarter of 2024 and Comparable Hotel RevPAR improved 3% driven by stronger transient demand, higher ADR and more ancillary spend. Comparable Hotel EBITDA margin declined by 120 basis points year over year to 31% driven by a 120 basis point impact from business interruption proceeds that were received last year for the Maui Wildfires. The operational results discussed today refer to our 78 Hotel Comparable portfolio in 2025, which excludes the Alila, Ventana, Big Sur, the Don Cesar and the Western Cincinnati, which we sold in June. Turning to business mix RevPAR growth in the second quarter was better than expected, driven by leisure transient demand and rate growth.

Despite a continuation of the international demand imbalance, we saw particularly strong performance in in Maui, Miami, Orlando, Atlanta, New York, the Florida Gulf coast and San Francisco. Transient revenue grew by 7% driven by both the Easter calendar shift and the ongoing recovery in Maui, the latter of which accounted for approximately 40% of the transient revenue growth in the quarter. Digging into Maui, the leisure transient demand recovery continued, driving Maui’s strong results for the second quarter. Maui’s 19% RevPAR growth provided a 100 basis point benefit to portfolio RevPAR growth in the quarter. Total RevPAR at our three Maui resorts was also up 19% driven by robust growth in F and B outlets as well as golf and spa revenue, a clear indication that the recovery in Maui is well underway.

Turning to business transient revenue was relatively flat in the second quarter as demand decreases were nearly offset by rate. As expected, group room revenue decreased 5% year over year driven primarily by the Easter calendar shift, planned renovation, disruption from the Hyatt Transformational Capital Program, business mix shifting from group to transient in Maui and reduced group pickup. Our properties actualized 1.1 million group room nights in the second quarter and our definite group room nights on the books increased to 3.8 million for 2025. Total group revenue pace is up 1.6% to the same time last year. Ancillary spending by guests at our properties remain strong as illustrated by our 4% total RevPAR growth in the second quarter.

FNB revenue was up 4% driven by outlet revenues. Banquet revenue grew by 1% as contribution per group room night outpaced absolute group room night declines. We also saw particularly strong growth in other revenue which was up 13% including golf and spa. Turning to the Don Cesar during the second quarter, we completed the North Pool and Pool bar. In early July we completed the Marketplace and lower level retail spaces. In the third quarter we expect to complete the final phase of reconstruction including the lower level kitchen and two F&B outlets. Since the reopening, we are seeing better than expected near term transient pickup, higher F and B capture and average checks, and increased group bookings which allowed us to raise our full year expectations for the resort to $3 million from negative $1 million.

We collected $9 million of business interruption proceeds for Hurricanes Helene and Milton in the second quarter bringing the total business interruption proceeds collected to $19 million for the first half of the year. We also collected an additional $5 million of business interruption proceeds in July related to those two hurricanes, which are included in our updated guidance. While we expect to collect additional business interruption proceeds, the timing and amounts of additional payments are subject to stabilization of the asset and ongoing discussions with our insurance carriers. Turning to capital Allocation, in June we sold the 456 key leasehold interest in the Western Cincinnati for $60 million or 14.3 times trailing 12 month EBITDA.

When calculating the EBITDA multiple, we included $54 million of estimated disrupted capital expenditures over the next five years. Since 2018, we have disposed of approximately $5.1 billion of hotels at a blended 17.2 times EBITDA multiple, including estimated foregone capital expenditures of $1 billion, which compares favorably to our $4.9 billion of acquisitions over the same period at a blended 13.6 times EBITDA multiple. In addition to dispositions, we repurchased 6.7 million shares of common stock during the second quarter at an average price of $15.56 per share, for a total of $105 million, bringing our total repurchases to $205 million year to date at an average price of $15.$68 per share.

Since 2022, we have repurchased $520 million of stock at an average repurchase price of $16.03 per share and we have $480 million of remaining capacity under our share repurchase program. Turning to portfolio reinvestment as of the second quarter, the Hyatt transformational capital program is approximately 50% complete and is tracking on time and under budget. We completed the guest rooms renovations at the Grand Hyatt Washington D.C. and paused the remaining public space renovations to accommodate group business on the books. While we complete the comprehensive renovations at Hyatt Regency Capitol Hill, we also started comprehensive renovations at the Manchester Grand Hyatt San Diego, the final property in the Hyatt Transformational Capital program, which we expect to complete in early 2027.

We continue to make progress on value enhancing development projects including the Don Cesar Ballroom expansion and the Phoenician Canyon Villa Suites, both of which we expect to complete in the fourth quarter of 2025. We also made progress on the condo development at the Four Seasons Resort Orlando. At Walt Disney World Resort, we expect to complete the mid rise condominium building and begin closing on sales in the fourth quarter of this year. We now have deposits and purchase agreements for 20 of the 40 units, including 8 of the 9 villas in 2025. Our capital expenditure guidance range is 590 to $660 million, which includes between 70 and $80 million for property damage reconstruction, majority of which we expect to be covered by insurance.

Our CAPEX guidance also reflects approximately 270 to $305 million of investment for redevelopment, repositioning and ROI projects. As part of our Climate Risk and Resiliency Program, we purchased flood barriers for nine high risk properties with measures being put in place for the 2025 hurricane season. We also developed a resiliency ROI method and expanded the program to new hotels with a focus on emergency power and wildfire risk. Within the Hyatt Transformational Capital Program, we expect to complete renovations at the Hyatt Regency Austin and the Hyatt Regency Capitol Hill in the second half of this year. As a reminder, we expect to benefit from approximately $27 million of operating profit guarantees and related to the Hyatt Transformational capital program in 2025, which we expect will offset the majority of the EBITDA disruption at those properties.

In addition to our capital expenditure investment, we expect to spend 75 to 85 million dollars on the condo development at the Four Seasons Resort Orlando at Walt Disney World Resort this year. Looking back at prior transformational renovations, we completed investments in 24 properties between 2018 and 2023 which are continuing to provide meaningful tailwinds for our portfolio. Of the 20 hotels that have stabilized post renovation operations to date, the average REPART index share gain is over 8.7 points, which is well in excess of our targeted gain of 3 to 5 points. Turning to our outlook for 2025, despite the heightened macroeconomic uncertainty, we continue to outperform our expectations in the second quarter.

As a result of our strong performance in the first half of the year, we are increasing our comparable Hotel Revpar and Total Revpar guidance ranges. As Saurabh will discuss in more detail, the low end of our guidance range contemplates softer demand in the second half of the year, while the high end assumes a more stable macroeconomic environment similar to last quarter. We are also providing an approximate rule of thumb for the current environment based on how our portfolio is positioned today. For every 100 basis point change in RevPAR, we would expect to see a 32 to $37 million change in adjusted EBITDA re, which is consistent with the range we provided last quarter.

As we have said many times before, HOST is well positioned to weather any environment because of our fortress investment grade balance sheet, a leverage ratio of 2.8 times our size and scale, our diversified business and geographic mix, and our continued reinvestment in our portfolio. We will continue to use our competitive advantages to create value for our shareholders and position host to outperform over the long term. With that, I will now turn the call over to Saurabh.

SOURAV GHOSH — Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer

Thank you Jim and good morning everyone. Building on Jim’s comments, I will go into detail on our second quarter operations, updated 2025 guidance and our balance sheet. Starting with total revenue trends, Comparable hotel total revpar growth outpaced revpar growth as both group and transient guests maintained elevated levels of out of room spend. Comparable hotel food and beverage revenue grew 4% in the quarter driven by outlets. Outlet revenue grew 9% driven by transient room night growth in Maui as well as recently repositioned outlets including the View at the New York, Marriott, Marquee, Aviv at the One Hotel south beach and outlets at the Singer.

Oceanfront Resort properties in Orlando, Nashville and Naples also contributed to outlet growth. Banquet revenue grew 1% as increases in banquet and catering contribution per group room night outpaced decreases in group room night volume. Banquet and catering contribution was up 7% in the quarter signaling the continued health of group spending growth was driven by our large group hotels in San Diego, San Francisco, New York, Orlando and Naples. Other revenue grew 13% in the second quarter as golf and spot revenues continue to grow. This is further indication that the high end consumer is prioritizing spending on premium experiences shifting to business mix.

Overall Transient revenue was up 7% compared to the second quarter of 2024 driven by higher rates and the continued growth of transient room nights at our resorts led by Maui. During the second quarter, our resorts saw modest transient rate growth year over year alongside 21% transient room night growth which benefited from the Easter calendar shift and the recovery in Maui. Excluding Maui, Transient revenue at our resorts was up in the mid teens driven by our resorts in Orlando, Oahu and Miami. Looking at recent holidays, revenue for Memorial Day weekend was up over 2% driven by our resorts in Maui, Miami, Orlando and naples.

Revenue for July 4th was down 1% for the comparable portfolio, our resorts were up 6%, but storms over the holiday weekend heavily impacted short term pickup at many of our properties. Business transient revenue was relatively flat to the second quarter of 2024 as 6% rate growth nearly offset business transient room night declines. It is worth noting that corporate negotiated room night volumes were down slightly, which is in line with recent quarters. As a reminder, we expect business transient revenue to remain flat for the remainder of this year as a result of the uncertain macroeconomic environment.

Turning to group as expected, revenue was down 5% year over year driven by planned renovation, disruption from the higher transformational capital program and business mix shifting from group to transient. In Maui, group room revenue also faced headwinds from the Easter calendar shift and reduced group pickup. Despite these headwinds, a properties in San Francisco achieved group revenue growth of more than 30% driven by meaningful citywide recovery. Aritz Falls and Resorts in Naples, Florida also benefited by strategically adding high quality groups in the quarter. For full year 2025 we have over 3.8 million definite group room nights on the books representing a 6% increase since the first quarter.

As Jim mentioned, total group revenue pace is up 1.6% over the same time last year. As we discussed last quarter, we have seen softer short term group pickup, particularly for the third quarter due to macroeconomic uncertainty. That said rate continued to grow across the portfolio for bookings made in the second quarter. For the rest of 2025, we also continue to see double digit citywide booking pace in many of our key markets including San Francisco, San Antonio and New Orleans. Shifting Gears to Margins Comparable hotel EBITDA margin of 31% was 120 basis points below the second quarter of 2024, which includes a 120 basis point impact from business interruption proceeds we received for the Maui Wildfires last year.

Outside of the BI proceeds impact margin performance in the second quarter was the result of strong revenue growth as well as higher HTCP guarantee amounts which offset headwinds from elevated wage rate growth. We continue to expect negative year over year margin comparisons for the remainder of the year, primarily driven by elevated wages and benefits. On the insurance front, our June 1 property renewal came in meaningfully better than expected at down 4% compared to last year, which equates to a $14 million expense reduction compared to our prior guidance. This savings has been reflected in our updated guidance.

Turning to our outlook for 2025, as Jim mentioned, we are increasing our comparable Hotel Revpar and Total Revpar guidance ranges as a result of our outperformance in the first half of the year. As a reminder, we have assumed a gradual improvement at our Maui properties this year and no improvement in the international demand imbalance. At the low end of our guidance we have assumed softer demand in the second half of the year and at the high end we have assumed improvements in the overall macroeconomic environment driven by clarity on trade and other policies. Our full year 2025 guidance contemplates comparable hotel RevPAR growth of between 1.5% and 2.5% over 2024.

We expect comparable hotel EBITDA margins to be down 90 basis points year over year at the low end of our guidance to down 60 basis points at the high end, a 60 basis points improvement over our prior guidance. At the midpoint, consistent with our prior guidance, we expect negative year over year revpar in the third quarter driven by softer short term group volume and slightly positive revpar growth in the fourth quarter. The midpoint assumes Comparable Hotel RevPAR growth of 2% compared to 2024 and a Comparable Hotel EBITDA margin of 28.6% which is 70 basis points below 2024.

As we think about bridging our 2024 results to 2025, we estimate 100 basis point impact to full year comparable hotel EBITDA margin from wage and benefit rate increases and a 40 basis point impact from lower business interruption proceeds in the comparable portfolio which are partially offset by an estimated 70 basis point benefit from operational improvements for the full year. We continue to expect overall wage and benefit expenses to increase 6%, which comprises approximately 50% of our total hotel operating expenses. Our 2025 full year adjusted EBITDA re midpoint is is $1,705,000,000. This represents a $60,000,000 or 3.6% improvement over our prior guidance midpoint driven by outperformance in the first half of the year.

This includes $19 million of business interruption proceeds that were received in the first half of the year for Hurricanes Helene and Milton and an additional $5 million of business interruption proceeds from that were received in July. Our 2025 full year adjusted EBITDA re Midpoint also includes $25 million of estimated EBITDA from the Four Seasons condo development, which we expect to recognize concurrent with condo sale closings in fourth quarter. Lastly, our midpoint includes an estimated $3 million contribution at the Don Cesar, an improvement of $4 million since the last quarter and an estimated $13 million contribution from the operations at Alila Ventana Big Sur, both of which are excluded from our comparable hotel set in 2025.

Turning to our strong balance sheet and liquidity position, in May we redeemed the $500 million Series E note which matured in June, with proceeds from the recent $500 million 5.7% C Series M notes issuance, our weighted average maturity is now 5.4 years at a weighted average interest rate of 4.9%. We currently have $2.3 billion in total available liquidity which includes $279 million of FF reserves and $1.5 billion available under the revolver portion of the credit facility. Our quarter end leverage ratio was 2.8 times in July. We paid a quarterly cash dividend of $0.20 per share.

As always, future dividends are subject to approval by the company’s Board of Directors. We will continue to be strategic in managing our balance sheet and liquidity position as we move through the rest of the year wrapping up we believe our strong investment grade balance sheet as well as our size, scale and diversification uniquely position host to execute in the current environment while capitalizing on opportunities for growth in the future. With that, we would be happy to take your questions to ensure we have time to address as many questions as possible. Please limit yourself to one question.

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As a reminder to ask a question, press Star one on your telephone keypad. Your first question comes from the line of Dwayne Fenningworth with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Questions and Answers:

Duane Pfennigwerth

Of room nights on the books up 6% sequentially versus the last quarter and your 3Q group commentary. I assume this means you’re seeing groups Further out for 26 and beyond continue to book, but maybe you could just talk a little bit about the group dynamics that you’re seeing second half and then and then longer term. Hey Dwayne, it’s Jim. Can you say, can you state the question over. We didn’t catch the first part of it. I think you’re on mute. So if you, if you wouldn’t mind restating it, we’d appreciate it. Sorry about that. Yeah, just help us match up the commentary of room nights on the books up 6% versus last quarter versus the 3Q commentary that you’re making.

I assume that means you’re seeing group bookings further out into 26 and beyond.

SOURAV GHOSH

Hey Dwayne, it’s Saurav. So yes, just to put it into perspective, when we started off the year we had an expectation of achieving about 4.3 million group room nights. And you may recall last quarter we took our forecast for overall group room nights down by about 100,000 group room nights. So we were at about 4.2. Based on what we are seeing in terms of softening sort of short term group pickup, we looked at the second half, particularly the third quarter and took out about another 75 to 77,000 group room nights. So we are 3.8 million group room nights which we have on the books.

And now our expectation for the full year is approximately 4.1 million group room nights. That said, when you look out into the future. As you were saying, Our 26 to 28, we had messages last time that that group pace was in the higher single digits. That actually improved slightly from the last quarter. So yes, we see groups continuing to book out into the future. It’s more the short term pickup, particularly in the third quarter that we have taken some risk off the table just to put some numbers around. Sort of what we picked up in the second quarter for the remainder of the year we picked up 215,000 group room nights for the remainder of the year and about 20% call it was for Q2 and 80% of that was for the rest of the year.

And if you look at compared to 2024, that was about 311,000 group from 9. So definitely somewhat softening in terms of the third quarter. But as we look out particularly into the future, it’s strong. And the only other thing I’d add is the group rate that we booked into the second half is extremely strong as well. So that continues to really show up.

Duane Pfennigwerth

Thank you.

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Your next question comes from the line of Chris Waronka with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Chris Woronka

Hey, good morning guys. Thanks for taking the question. Jim or Sarah. I was hoping you could, you could dive in a little bit further on Hawaii and you know, I think, I think more widely. We’ve been getting messages, you know, through various news sources about what’s going on there. Can you, can you maybe shed a little bit light of light on what you’re seeing within your, your portfolio and you know, how confident you feel about that for the back half of the year and maybe any early thoughts on 26. Thanks.

JAMES F. RISOLEO

Yeah, Chris, I’ll start and start off can feel free to jump in if he has additional color he wants to add.

But we are of the opinion that Maui’s recovery is, is firmly underway. You know, we had 19% RevPAR growth in the quarter for our Maori resorts that was matched by 19% out of room spend as well. Really driven by outlet growth. The recovery is being fueled by leisure transient and it’s a somewhat of a new phenomenon for Maui because the booking window is very short term. You know, we had said that we anticipated maui to contribute $100 million of EBITDA this year for the portfolio. You know, we are now assuming that the Maui resorts will contribute $110 million.

So we’re seeing, you know, very positive momentum. There’s no question about it going forward. You know, I think this is fueled in large part by a marketing campaign that a group of hotel owners banded together to undertake marketing. Individual properties combined with the state of Hawaii, led by the governor, who endorsed and sponsored a, I think about a $6.3 million marketing campaign as well. So when people see what is happening on the island and you were there in February, you know, you know that it’s open for business. And, you know, Wailea is a great place to be.

You know, the west side, where the Hyatt Regency is, is a great place to visit as well. It’s, I think, the probably the best group hotel on the island. And that’s what we have to see happen. To really get back to where we were pre fire levels, we have to start seeing the incentive groups come back to Hawaii. And we’re getting good traction with meeting planners. They’re taking trips called fam trips, fam familiarization trips, so they can just go see what is happening on the island. There’s a long lead time for incentive group bookings to occur.

It’s at least six months, and it can be a year or longer in some instances. So we expect to see the group pace pick up as we get into 20, 26 and 27 and beyond. But Maui is definitely open for business, and we’re. We’re really pleased with what we’re seeing. The other thing that has to happen, Chris, is we have to see additional airlift made available. You know, it’s a bit of a chicken and an egg situation where the airlines are not going to want to bring additional capacity back online until they have a good feeling about their ability to fill those seats, you know, and vice versa.

You know, we don’t want our customers to want to come to Hawaii and not be able to find a seat on an airplane. So compared to where we were pre Wildfire, in terms of airline capacity in Maui, we’re down about 20%. So, you know, we’re hopeful that that’s going to change over time. The recovery is well underway. You know, in addition to the outlet revenue, we saw meaningful pickup in spa, spa revenue and golf revenue as well. So people are definitely coming in their spending.

Chris Woronka

Okay, thanks, Jim.

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Your next question comes from the line of David Katz with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

David Katz

All right. Just had to get myself unmuted. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to ask about more about. Hawaii and in particular, as you know, Jim, the Turtle Bay sort of caught my fancy. Can you just give us an update. On how you’re doing with that? What’s, you know, what’s been sort of the best surprise, maybe, if there’s any negative surprises, you know, with it and you know, I just want to be clear about how we’re comping that hotel in the revpar. Right. That was sort of out for 2Q I believe. Right. And is that sort of done by 3Q and in there? Those are my two questions. Thanks.

Jamie Marcus

You know, Turtle Bay, the hotel pro forma, the hotel operations, David, are exceeding our pro forma expectations. So, you know, it’s been well received into the Ritz Carlton system. Bonvoy is driving a lot of business to the property. It I wouldn’t say that there are any negative surprises with respect to hotel ops at all. The property is performing well. We’ve had a change of plans with respect to our repositioning and renovation of the Fazio golf course. You may recall from your visit that there are two golf courses on property, the Fazio and the Palmer.

You know, we have leased the Palmer course to the developer that that is developing some residential units adjacent to the property, to the resort itself arte development. And we own continue to own the Fazio course for a number of reasons. We’ve made the decision that we’re not going to reposition and and upgrade the Fazio course at this point in time, but we’re going to spend the time really preparing the site for potential future development while we have the opportunity to do that. So if you’re seeing a shortfall in operating performance for the resort in total, it’s as a result of the gulf, it’s not as a result of the hotel.

And I’ll let Saurav address your other question regarding comp. Non comp.

SOURAV GHOSH

Yeah, it is actually in our comparable results, we did not own the hotel. However, we do have the actual numbers and performance from that hotel. So it is not comparable numbers. You just have to look at the comp tables.

David Katz

Got it. Okay.

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So it’s in 2QA, page 10, I believe.

David Katz

Okay, perfect. Thank you.

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Your next question comes from Smedice Rose with Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Smedes Rose

Hi. Thank you. I wanted to ask a little more about wages and benefits. You mentioned that they’re tracking up 6% for this year. Can you maybe Saurav just give some thoughts on. It’d be interesting. What are the components of that like. Labor versus benefits to employees and kind of how you’re thinking about my pace into next year.

Jamie Marcus

Sure. When you think about sort of overall, it really is obviously market dependent. It is being driven by where there was CBA negotiations finalized and that’s driving a big piece of the increase for this year just given the front loading impact for next year. All I can tell you that it is going to be overall lower than where it is this year. That’s the expectation, but it’s too early to tell, frankly because we haven’t seen budgets from our managers yet and we will not see that until later. So can’t really comment on an exact number.

But the expectation is the growth should be slightly lower than this year. What that is, I can’t comment right now.

Smedes Rose

Okay, thank you.

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Your next question comes from Ari Klein with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

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Thanks and good morning. Can you talk a little bit about. The cadence for Revpar growth in the second half of the year and specifically what might drive Q4 growth relative to the third quarter? And then just a clarification on the insurance savings. Is the 14 million an annualized number or just what you expect to save this this year? Thanks.

JAMES F. RISOLEO

Hey Ari, the 14 million is just what we expect to save for this year. So that’s what we have. Effectively you would take out reduced from our prior guidance of which we had at 1,645, it’s a savings of 14 million from that number. So just this year and to your first question in terms of, you know, why we have confidence in the fourth quarter growth and what’s driving that, right at the beginning of the year, we had pretty solid pace for the fourth quarter.

A couple of things happening in the third and fourth quarter that you have to remember. One is Rosh Hashanah was in October of last year. That’s falling in September. So that’s helping the fourth quarter and it’s detrimental to the third quarter. Second, our big Hyatt, Grand Hyatt Manchester and San Diego is under renovation. That’s impacting group pace as well. The other big thing for the fourth quarter that’s helping, you might recall that when there was elections a week before and a week after elections, nobody was really booking. So that’s actually uplifting your Q4 pace numbers as well.

So the expectation of fourth quarter is better as a result of that. So those are sort of the three components.

Ari Klein

Thanks.

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Your next question comes from the line of Robin Farley with ubs. Please go ahead.

Robin Farley

Great, thanks. Can you talk a little bit about the transaction environment? Just, you know, you sold an asset just sort of broadly what the environment’s like for that and also any opportunities to buy. And then I do have one quick follow up. Thanks.

JAMES F. RISOLEO

Sure. Robin, let me start by saying that the debt capital markets are wide open. CMBS market is wide open. It’s very active at this point in time. We’ve seen a notable pickup in transaction activity over the last 90 days or so. It’s certainly not, I wouldn’t characterize it as robust. It’s certainly not at the levels that it has been in the past. You know, there is still a fairly significant bid ask spread between buyers and sellers. However, in certain instances, we have seen that bid ask spread narrow and transactions get done. So we’ll see what happens as we get a bit more certainty on the macro picture over the, the remainder of this year and into 2026.

I think that, you know, it’s still somewhat difficult to underwrite a potential acquisition aggressively given the macro uncertainty right now, and that may be holding some people back at this point in time. But our belief is that, you know, a number of assets have, have not been invested in, you know, since, since COVID day. So we’re talking five years now. And the properties are in dire need of capital of Capex. And you know, those. There’s something’s going to have to happen with those assets going forward. So, I mean, we were in the really fortunate position, as you know, that we had the balance sheet that allowed us to invest in our assets.

And over the last six years, we have invested $1.7 billion in ROI CapEx in our properties, completed 24 transformational renovations. Of those 24 properties, 20 have stabilized operations and we picked up close to 9 points in yield index. And that is, that’s one of the reasons why we continue to outperform. It’s really our capital allocation decisions that, that had been made from 2017 forward. So, you know, to answer the second part of your question, you know, are we interested in, in buying hotels? You know, I’ll never say never, but I will tell you as we sit here today, it’s not at the top of our list.

You know, we think that the better use of our capital certainly in the second quarter, in the first half of this year has been investing in our assets so that we can continue to drive the types of returns that we’re seeing, you know, paying a sustainable dividend subject to the approval of our board of directors and, you know, buying back shares. We bought back $205 million worth of stock in the first half of the year. And we think the stock is a screaming bargain today given where it’s valued relative to the quality of our portfolio and our fortress balance sheet.

Robin Farley

Great, super helpful, thank you. Just one quick clarification following up and maybe one for Saurav with the guidance change, you know, you’re getting a little more Cautious on that sort of close in, you know, Q3 group bookings. And I know that’s relative to, you know, what you said three months ago. Some have sort of pointed to things picking up a little bit in July. Are you seeing at least, you know, in the very near term something maybe a little bit better than the sort of delta you’re talking about versus April.

SOURAV GHOSH

Because it’s such short term business? I think that’s kind of why we have taken some of the risk out of Q3. Is July trending well? Not in a position to give a number for July, but yes, it has been certainly trending well relative to our expectations. So could it get better? There is certainly a possibility, but it’s really tough because these groups are sometimes really booking one week out or even a couple of days out. So you want to make sure we are appropriately cautious as we were doing our forecast.

Robin Farley

Okay, great. Thank you very much.

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Our next question comes from the line of Dan Pulitzer with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Dan Pulitze

Hey, good morning everyone. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to follow up on the group commentary. Is there any more detail in terms of like lead volumes, you know, corporate versus association? And then are you seeing actual changes in terms of the spending patterns from these groups in terms of some of that ancillary or F and B?

SOURAV GHOSH

Yeah. So it’s very similar to what we had talked about on the first quarter in terms of where we are seeing some of the weakness in groups. It certainly is a little more on the association side, particularly as it relates to associations that either rely on government funding or somehow tied to government funding. In terms of the folks that are actually showing up to the hotels, they’re spending well. So if you look at our second quarter results, group volume was down, but our banquet and catering revenue was actually up. And we look at the banquet and catering revenue on a per group roadmap basis, that was up 7%.

So overall groups when they’re coming to the hotels are actually spending and spending well and continue to spend. So that trend really hasn’t changed and it certainly has the same momentum as it did which we saw in the first quarter. And we have that same expectation going into the groups that are going to be coming in and the in the third and fourth quarter as well.

Dan Pulitze

Got it. Thanks so much.

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Your next question comes from the line of Daniel Hogan with Baird. Please go ahead.

Daniel Hogan

Hi. Morning. Just quickly on the Cincinnati sale, looking at the rest of the portfolio, how many more assets are in need of that amount of Capex or would be potential non Core sale candidates and how are both you and potential buyers thinking about that amount of capex needs differently and is that able to then get a deal across the line?

JAMES F. RISOLEO

You know the Cincinnati I would say probably ranked at the bottom of our portfolio. Dan, you know from a capex perspective it’s in a, you know, it’s in a tough market, a very low revpar asset, it’s subject to a ground lease.

What we sold was a leasehold interest and we really hadn’t invested in that property since 2009. So you know, I don’t know of any other hotel in our portfolio that is in that dire need of of capex. So we like what we own. Obviously. You know if you look at the makeup of our portfolio, our top 40 assets account for over 80% of our EBITDA. We have 78 comparable hotels plus you know, the elite of Antana and the dawn in in non comp. But that, that should give you a sense of the the magnitude of EBITDA that something like a western Cincinnati contributes to the overall earnings of host.

Daniel Hogan

All right, thank you.

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Our next question comes from the line of Chris Darling with Green Street. Please go ahead.

Chris Darling

Hi, thanks for taking the question Jim. Can you comment on the relative strength across sort of the high end luxury hotel segment relative to what’s really been more sluggish demand backdrop for seemingly most of the rest of the industry. To be candid with you, I’m kind of surprised the dynamic has lasted as long as it has and I wonder what your perspective is on whether it persists and also how your perspective may or may not inform your portfolio positioning going forward.

JAMES F. RISOLEO

Chris, you know we began the journey to reposition this portfolio in 2017. Eighteen, you know, we, we sold in our performance today is has to do as much with what we sold as with what we bought. So you know we disposed of 5.1 billion assets with a purchase price roughly of $5.1 billion that needed significant capex of roughly a billion dollars at a 17.2 times EBITDA multiple. And over the same time frame, you know we acquired $4.9 billion of assets at 13.6 times EBITDA. And there was a keen focus on luxury and the focus on luxury is really informed by our opinion that the long time long term red park haggers of luxury properties, luxury resorts in particular outperform other segment segmented hotels in the industry.

And I think that you know has really proved itself out as we see no resistance really to rate at our, at our resort portfolio today. And we see A continued increase in out of room spend by customers on a per occupied room basis at the outlets, at spa, at golf, etc. So you know, the affluent consumer is clearly in a very good position. They want to continue to prioritize experiences and they’re willing to spend money to do that. If you look at the performance of the various segments over the second quarter, you know, luxury was followed by upper upscale, which is where the rest of our portfolio is.

You know, we outperform the industry across the board and that has to do with the investments that we made in our assets that I spoke to earlier. And then as you move further down the chain scale where our consumers, the US consumers are stressed and you look at the economy segment, you see negative revpar growth. So you know, I mean the amount of wealth that in our opinion, the amount of wealth that’s been created in this country through housing and through the stock market is substantial. And you know, we, we like the way the, the portfolio is positioned for the long term.

Obviously if, you know, if something were to go awry and, and, and, and people didn’t feel as good about their balance sheets going forward, that would impact the business. But we’re certainly not seeing that at this point in time.

Chris Darling

Helpful commentary. Thank you.

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Your next question comes from the line of Gregory Miller with Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Gregory Miller

Thank you very much and good morning. Could you provide some detail on how summer Leisure demand from International Inbound is performing relative to your expectations a few months ago? Are there certain markets or property types performing better or worse? Thanks.

SOURAV GHOSH

Sure. So when you look at what happened with International Outbound inbound in first quarter, we had talked about our, I would say hope that that would somewhat moderate and it would effectively be a wash. We were expecting lower inbound travel, but we were also expecting lower outbound travel. In a way that’s kind of what happened. Not to a very large degree, but net net, it was effectively a wash. You may recall that in the fourth quarter when it peaked in 2024, outbound relative to 2019 was at 125% and inbound was at 94%. That progressed in Q1, 2025 outbound became 124%.

So came down a little bit. In Q2 it went down to one hundred and twenty two percent. And actually in June it came down a little bit further to 120%. In the same token, your inbound also reduced. So while outbound did go down, the inbound cadence was Q4 of 24. It was 94% and this was all relative to 19 levels, Q1, 25, 89 and then Q2 86. So when you think about the actual change in inbound volatility, change in outbound, it net, net sort of washed out. So overall, as we look at international demand, I mean, at least specifically for our portfolio, it has been relatively strong overall.

I mean, there’s certain markets driving that. I mean, New York’s driving that. While Seattle did see Canadian visitors significantly decline, our Western overall actually did well. A lot of these markets where we’ve seen declining Canadian travels, it has been made up by other European markets. So thus far it hasn’t had a meaningful impact one way or the other. And kind of what we expected, no real change in the international inbound about imbalance that’s sort of coming to fruition thus far.

Gregory Miller

Thanks for the helpful, Mr. Jim. Just say, Greg, just a data point on New York, you know, I mean, we, the portfolio is positioned where over 90% of our revenues come from domestic US travel. So there is, there is a, you know, roughly 8 and a half, 9% that does come from international visitors to the U.S. but you know, I just want to follow up on what Saurabh said. He referenced New York as one of those markets, you know, just for point of reference. So you have a sense of how our assets are performing. The New York Marriott Marquis underwent a transformational renovation beginning in 2019.

So as base year 2018, using 2018 as a base year, this year our Revpar is going to be up 16%. Our EBITDA at the Marriott Marquis is going to be up 46% over 2019. So 2000 2018. I’m sorry, we did $66 million in EBITDA in 2018. We’re on budget to do $96 million this year and that’s on top of a 16% RevPAR increase. So, you know, the health of our New York assets is very good and very strong.

JAMES F. RISOLEO

Thank you, Jim. Appreciate it.

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Our final question comes from the line of Jack Armstrong with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Jack Armstrong

. Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Just returning to Maui again here briefly. You know, we’ve heard from you and some of your peers that some of the strength you’ve been having there is related to promotional activity. And obviously you’ve seen an uptick in transient demand. What’s the plan for rolling off that promotional activity and kind of replacing that demand with group? You know, is that a late 25 event or 2026? And is there a chance you kind of get a stuck in between Those two. Yeah.

JAMES F. RISOLEO

Just to be clear, it’s not like a group is not being pushed at these properties. So as Jim mentioned earlier, we are engaging with meeting planners.

We are having fam trips. So that is progressing. And what’s important to note, we are very encouraged by how 2026 is pacing and at some point we’ll provide very specific numbers on Maui group pace for 2026. But overall, when you look at sort of Maui and this is YLA as well as the hydrogen cicanapali, they’re effectively pacing very, very close at this point to where there were not only pre fire but pre pandemic levels. So we are very encouraged by that. Remember, the lead times with these incentive groups is 9 to 12 months. So while it is going to take some time to pick up, we fully expect to have a much better group year in 2026.

And just to put into perspective so you have what the peak was for maui. Like in 2019 we did about 100,000 group room nights or so in Maui. And this year our expectation is call it around 81,000 and we certainly expect to improve on that into next year.

Jack Armstrong

Great. Thank you.

JAMES F. RISOLEO

Well, thank you all for joining us. We appreciate the opportunity to discuss our quarterly results with you. Enjoy the rest of your summer and we look forward to seeing many of you at conferences this fall.

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That concludes today’s presentation. You may now disconnect.