Kb Home (KBH) Q1 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

Kb Home (NYSE: KBH) Q1 2026 Earnings Call dated Mar. 24, 2026

Corporate Participants:

Jill PetersSenior Vice President, Investor Relations

Jeffrey T. MezgerExecutive Chairman

Robert McGibneyPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Robert R. DillardExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

JohnConference Operator

Analysts:

Matthew BouleyAnalyst

Matthew JohnsonAnalyst

Stephen KimAnalyst

Michael RehautAnalyst

Alan RatnerAnalyst

Susan MaklariAnalyst

Stephen MeaAnalyst

Sam ReidAnalyst

Presentation:

Operator

Good afternoon, My name is John and I will be your conference operator today. I would like to welcome everyone to the KB Home 2026 First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All participant lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the company’s opening remarks, we will open the lines for questions. The conference call is being recorded and a replay will be accessible on the KB Home website until April 24, 2026.

And I will now turn the call over to Jill Peters, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Thank you, Jill. You may now begin.

Jill PetersSenior Vice President, Investor Relations

Thank you, John. Good afternoon everyone and thank you for joining us today to review our results for the first quarter of fiscal 2026. On the call are Jeff Mezger, Executive Chairman; Rob McGibney, President and Chief Executive Officer; Rob Dillard, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Bill Hollinger, Senior Vice President and Chief Accounting Officer; and Thad Johnson, Senior Vice President and Treasurer.

During this call, items will be discussed that are considered forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are not guarantees of future results and the company does not undertake any obligation to update them. Due to various factors including those detailed in today’s press release and in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, actual results could be materially different from those stated or implied in the forward-looking statements. In addition, an explanation and/or reconciliation of the non-GAAP measure of adjusted housing gross profit margin as well other non-GAAP measure referenced during today’s discussion to its most directly comparable GAAP measure can be found in today’s press release and/or on the investor relations page of our website at kbhome.com. And finally, please note, all figures are based on our quarter ended February 28 and all comparisons are on a year-over-year basis unless otherwise stated.

And with that, here’s Jeff Mezger.

Jeffrey T. MezgerExecutive Chairman

Thank you, Joe. Good afternoon, everyone. We are pleased that our first quarter financial results were within our guidance ranges. Operationally, our divisions continued to execute well and we achieved our highest community count in many years, contributing to year-over-year growth in net orders. Perhaps most importantly, we have returned to a mix of sales that are predominantly built to order, which we believe will enable US to achieve 70% built order deliveries in the second half of this year. We have a renewed focus on this core strategy as a central component in strengthening our company going forward.

With the lag between sale and delivery for Built to Order homes, we expect to continue growing our backlog. A larger backlog will provide many benefits including greater predictability in our deliveries and higher gross margins than we achieve on inventory sales, typically in the range of 300 to 500 basis points. As to the details of our first quarter results, we produced total revenues of about $1.1 billion and diluted earnings per share of $0.52. We continue to have significant financial flexibility and remain balanced in our capital allocation, investing for growth while also returning capital to our shareholders. We repurchased 843,000 shares of our common stock at an average price below our current book value per share, which we believe is an excellent use of our cash, accretive to both our earnings and book value per share and a factor in improving our return on equity over time. Inclusive of dividends, we returned almost $70 million in capital to our shareholders in the first quarter. In addition, we continued to expand our book value per share compared to the year ago period to over $61.

Consumers have been faced with a variety of challenges over the past two years and the conflict in the Middle East that began at the end of February has added another layer of uncertainty. Against this backdrop and taking into consideration that our net orders in the first quarter were below the level we needed to hold our prior full year delivery guidance, we are lowering our range for the year. Rob McGibney will provide more color on this in a moment. Before turning the call over to Rob, I want to congratulate him on his promotion. As part of our long term succession plan, Rob assumed the role of President and Chief Executive Officer on March 1 and I transitioned to Executive Chairman of the Board. Rob is a proven results-oriented leader with a deep understanding of our business gained over the past 25 years with the company. He began his career at KB Home in our Las Vegas division, historically our largest and most profitable where he rose to Division President and then continued on in roles of increasing responsibility within the company. Rob has worked side by side with me during the past five years while running our home building operations and both the Board and I are confident that he is ready to lead KB Home forward.

With that, I’ll turn the call over to Rob.

Robert McGibneyPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Jeff. I am honored to step into the role of CEO and excited about KB Home’s future. With our distinguished brand, differentiated product offerings and industry-leading customer service, there are significant opportunities to create value for both our home buyers and our shareholders. In addition, our strong financial position provides us with flexibility and the ability to support growth of our business over time. One of the traits that defined our operations in fiscal 2025 was consistency in our operational execution that led to meaningfully improving our build times and tightly managing our direct cost. We will continue to focus on these key areas in fiscal 2026 together with our renewed focus on our Built to Order strategy. We are confident the multiple advantages of our BTO model will ultimately result in a stronger company.

We remain optimistic about the long-term housing market with favorable demographics supporting higher demand over time together with the structural under supply of homes. Near term buyers continue to demonstrate the desire for homeownership and the ability to qualify, although tepid consumer confidence, elevated mortgage interest rates and affordability pressures have stifled underlying demand. More recently, the conflict in the Middle East has created more uncertainty for an already cautious consumer. In the first quarter healthy traffic in our communities, a steady conversion of traffic to sales, the lowest cancellation rate we’ve experienced in the past four years and our higher community count drove a 3% year-over-year increase in net orders.

While the growth in net orders is clearly a positive at 2,846, our sales were below what we needed to maintain our prior full year delivery guidance as Jeff noted. The meaningful improvement in cancellations reflects high quality committed buyers who are ready and able to purchase a home and also supported net orders at an average absorption pace of 3.5 per month per community. Although this pace was slightly lower year-over-year, we remain focused on our long standing annual average target of four net orders per community to optimize our assets.

Most importantly, our order mix demonstrates a deliberate and strategic shift in how we are positioning the business for the long term. We are returning to our core Built to Order model, a foundational element of how KB Home operates. This is how our teams are trained, how we manage our communities and how we create value. While this will result in a temporary trough in deliveries for the first half of the year, as the higher level of BTO homes we are selling now will benefit our third and fourth quarter deliveries and we have intentionally slowed our inventory starts is a purposeful reset that positions us to be a stronger, more predictable company in the second half of the year and beyond.

We are making considerable progress increasing our Built to Order sales. They represented 44% of our net orders in October, growing each month through the first quarter. We exited February at 68% and in the early weeks of March we are now above 70%. Built to Order homes typically generate between 300 and 500 basis points of incremental gross margins compared to inventory homes and as a result have a greater percentage of BTO deliveries will drive higher margins — having a greater percentage of BTO deliveries will drive higher margins. As we increase our mix of Built to Order homes, we are building a solid backlog, a solid sold backlog that has not yet started construction. This backlog provides greater visibility into future deliveries and revenues, improves efficiency in our starts and production processes, and gives our trade partners clearer line of sight into their upcoming workloads.

In turn, this predictability supports better execution and over time contributes to more favorable cost structures. We can leverage the pending starts into more favorable bids and keep our trade partners on our job sites, which is more efficient and further improves build times. Internally, our cost structure benefits from managing the even flow production. With the makeup of our net orders in the first quarter, together with our expectations for BTO sales in the second quarter, we anticipate reaching a turning point in the second quarter and growing our backlog relative to the prior year period. As a result, we expect to drive sequential increases in deliveries as we move through the back half of the year.

More broadly, we view this as more than just a mix shift. It is a reset back to our core operating model that extends well beyond the current fiscal year results, which will allow us to operate with greater precision, less volatility and stronger alignment among sales, starts and deliveries. It reduces the need for speculative inventory, lowers our exposure to pricing swings, and supports more disciplined capital deployment. Over time, we believe this will translate into a more durable and differentiated business, one that is better positioned to generate sustainable margins and returns across cycles. We also expect our deliveries in the second half of this year to reflect a more favorable regional mix with increased contribution from our Northern California businesses. Our communities in these markets have historically had higher ASPs and higher margins. More of these communities now and with deliveries projected in the third and fourth quarters and beyond, we expect to see the benefits in our financial results.

Finally, with greater delivery volumes at higher ASPs in the second half of the year, we expect to regain operating leverage on the fixed cost component of our gross margin. Our ability to build homes more efficiently continues to be strong. We had already achieved our company-wide target of 120 days from home start to completion on Built to Order homes in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2025. Yet we further improved in this critical area in the first quarter with a sequential decrease to 108 days. This is an important factor in the value proposition of a BTO home from a customer standpoint relative to the time it takes to purchase a resale or an inventory home. Shorter build times also allow our customers to lock their mortgage rates more easily and cost efficiently.

In reducing our build times, we have now meaningfully expanded our selling window within the year. Last year it took us about five months to build a home, which meant early spring was the latest we could sell BTO homes for same year delivery. Today, with build times closer to 3.5 months, we can continue selling BTO homes for same year delivery into the summer. The result is simple. More of what we sell this year turns into deliveries and revenues by year end, which improves both our volume and cash flow. We ended the first quarter with 276 active communities, the highest count we have had in many years, up 8% year-over-year.

We achieved 37 grand openings in the first quarter in line with our target and project another 30 to 35 community openings in our second quarter. These new communities will contribute to a peak for community count sometime within our second quarter at the height of the spring selling season season. With more communities we are positioned to drive more sales and our new communities typically sell at a stronger initial absorption pace, benefiting from the newness and excitement of grand openings and supported by our disciplined community opening process. As we look beyond the second quarter, depending on the pace of sellouts, we expect the community count to step down somewhat in the second half of the year.

Our production is in better balance today with a total of 3,353 homes in process split between 70% sold and 30% unsold. This balance aligns with our expectation to increase our BTO deliveries to at least 70% of our total in the second half of this year. As to direct cost, we continue to benefit from lower trade labor expense in most markets, but there is some pressure on material cost from lumber. We are managing our lumber lock strategically and drawing on our deep supplier relationships to limit cost increases while also continuing to actively rebid our local and national contracts as well as value engineer our products and simplify our studio offerings to help manage our overall direct cost.

Before I wrap up, I will review the credit profile of our buyers who finance their mortgages through our joint venture KBHS Home Loans. Our capture rate remained high with 81% of buyers who financed their homes in the first quarter using KBHS. Higher capture rates help us manage our backlog more effectively and provide more certainty in closing dates which benefits our company as well as our buyers. In addition, we see higher customer satisfaction levels from buyers who use our JV versus other lenders. The average cash down payment of 16% was fairly steady as compared to prior quarters and equated to over $72,000. On average the household income of customers who used KBHS was about $133,000 and they had a FICO score of 743. Even with one half of our customers purchasing their first home, we are still attracting buyers with strong credit profiles who can qualify for their mortgage while making a significant down payment or pay in cash. 11% of our deliveries in the first quarter were to all cash buyers.

In conclusion, we continue to navigate market conditions with a focus on strong operational execution and disciplined adherence to our Built to Order model to drive results. We are confident that our personalized product offerings and transparent pricing approach are compelling for our buyers. Further, with an increasing number of communities in attractive submarkets set to open in our second quarter, an expected higher percentage of BTO deliveries as well as an anticipated regional mix weighted towards higher ASP higher margin Northern California deliveries later this year, we believe we are well positioned for stronger results in the second half of fiscal 2026.

And finally, as we continue to align our overhead to our delivery volume, we have taken steps to reduce our cost, including an unfortunate but necessary 10% year-over-year headcount reduction. While it takes a little time to see the impact of these measures in our financial results and our SG&A ratio is also a function of our revenue level, we do expect this ratio to be lower in the second half of 2026 as well.

And with that I will turn the call back to Jeff.

Jeffrey T. MezgerExecutive Chairman

Thanks, Rob. We have a favorable lot position owning or controlling over 63,000 lots at the end of our first quarter, 41% of which were controlled. Our growth strategy remains primarily centered on expanding our share within our existing markets with a geographic footprint that we believe is positioned for long term economic and demographic growth. Our approach toward allocating our cash flow remains consistent and balanced. We are achieving our priorities of positioning our business for future growth, managing our leverage within our targeted range and rewarding our shareholders through share repurchases and our quarterly cash dividend. We are maintaining our land investments at a level that will support our current growth projections and invested about $560 million in land acquisition and development in the first quarter, with roughly 60% of our investment going toward developing land we already own.

In closing, I want to thank our entire KB Home team for their commitment to serving our home buyers and the discipline with which they’ve been executing our build-to-order model which we believe will result in a stronger company going forward. Although market conditions remain challenging, we are focused on the appropriate levers to drive improved results, renewing our focus on Built to Order, reducing our build times, lowering our costs, opening new communities and staying balanced in our capital allocation. We plan to continue our share repurchase program in fiscal 2026 with between $50 million and $100 million of repurchases planned for our second quarter. Following the end of the spring selling season, we expect to have more clarity on our year. As a result, we anticipate providing margin guidance with our 2026 second quarter earnings announcement in June. We are committed to delivering long term shareholder value and we look forward to updating you as the year continues to unfold.

Now I’ll turn the call over to Rob Dillard for the financial review.

Robert R. DillardExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Jeff. I’m pleased to report on the first quarter fiscal 2026 results. As Jeff and Rob said, we continue to manage the business with discipline with a focus on optimizing every asset by pricing to the market, maintaining a healthy pace and delivering our Built to Order advantage. We expect that this strategy of providing a personalized home that the customer prefers will also benefit our financial performance as we shift the delivery mix towards higher margin Built to Order homes in 2026 and beyond. In the first quarter of fiscal 2026 we were within our guidance range with total revenues of $1.08 billion and housing revenues of $1.07 billion, a 23% decrease on a year-over-year basis.

We delivered 2,370 homes in the quarter. This result was near the midpoint of our guidance range as we continue to experience moderate demand from a cautious consumer. Deliveries benefited from a 22% reduction in build times for Built to Order homes to 108 days, a 9% sequential reduction. Lower build times increased capital efficiency and benefit volume as Rob discussed. Average selling price declined 10% to $452,000 due to regional and product mix and general market conditions. Average selling price declined 3% sequentially due primarily to regional mix. Housing gross profit margin was 15.3% and adjusted housing gross profit margin, which excludes $2.2 million of inventory related charges was 15.5%. Adjusted housing gross profit margin was 480 basis points lower, primarily due to pricing pressure, higher relative land costs, regional mix and lower operating leverage.

We continue to manage cost effectively and achieved an 8% reduction in total direct construction cost per unit. SG&A as a percent of housing revenue increased to 12.2% as lower costs were offset by a decrease in operating leverage. SG&A expense decreased 14% due to reduced selling expenses associated with lower unit volume and fixed cost controls. SG&A benefited from a favorable impact of an $8 million insurance recovery. While such recoveries occur from time to time, the absolute size and relative impact of this quarter’s recovery was greater than usual. Homebuilding operating income for the first quarter decreased to $33 million or 3.1% of homebuilding revenues. Net income was $33 million or $0.52 per diluted share, benefiting from a 13% reduction in our weighted average diluted shares outstanding.

Turning now to our guidance. Our guidance for the second quarter and full year 2026 reflects the current uncertainty of the new home market which we believe has been impacted by affordability concerns and recent geopolitical tensions. We continue to focus on controlling the controllables and have improved our operations with lower build times and lower costs. We believe that this operational improvement combined with our strategy to shift to a higher mix of Built to Order homes will further benefit our financial results in the second half of 2026 and beyond as Rob detailed in his comments.

In the second quarter of 2026, we expect to generate housing revenues between $1.05 billion and $1.15 billion based on expected deliveries of between 2,250 and 2,450 homes. Housing gross profit margin, assuming no inventory-related charges is expected to be between 15% and 15.6% for the second quarter of 2026. Price will continue to be the primary driver for margin pressure as we balance price and pace for the remainder of the year. Margins are expected to be impacted by higher relative land costs, regional mix and reduced operating leverage as deliveries are expected to remain below prior year levels. We expect to continue to partially offset this margin pressure with lower direct construction costs per unit.

We continue to expect margins to improve in the second half of 2026, driven largely by positive operating leverage from typical seasonality and a more favorable regional mix with a shift to higher price, higher margin West Coast communities as well as our strategy to increase the mix of Built to Order homes delivered. The second quarter 2026 SG&A ratio is expected to be between 12.4% and 13% due to expected reduced operating leverage despite cost controls. We had solid results reducing both fixed costs and direct construction costs in the first quarter and we expect this to continue in the remainder periods of 2026. We expect our SG&A ratio to decline in the second half of the year due to lower fixed costs and increased volume.

Our effective tax rate for the second quarter is expected to be approximately 19%. The tax rate is expected to trend higher in the second half of 2026 due to reduced impact of energy credits. For the full year 2026 we expect housing revenues of between $4.8 billion and $5.5 billion based on between 10,000 and 11,500 deliveries. This full year guidance is based on current market conditions. We anticipate refining full year guidance and providing additional details as we gain further clarity on the spring selling.

Turning now to the balance sheet. We continue to manage our capital with discipline with a dual focus on funding growth and returning excess capital to shareholders. With over $5.7 billion in inventories, a 1% sequential increase, we believe that we are well positioned to fund growth in the near and long term. We own or control over 63,000 lots, including approximately 26,000 lots that we have the option to purchase. We continue to invest in growth as indicated by the $567 million we invested in land and development, while also exercising discipline through our rigorous underwriting standards that resulted in abandoning contracts to purchase 3,400 lots at a cost of $2.2 million. We believe that this rigorous land process has improved the quality of our land inventory and will benefit future profitability. We’re confident that we’ll continue to identify and execute land opportunities matching our consistent cash flow and considerable liquidity.

At quarter-end, we had total liquidity of $1.2 billion, consisting of $201 million in cash and $1 billion available under our $1.2 billion revolving credit facility. As with last year, the $200 million in utilization of our revolving credit facility is seasonal in nature. We have no debt maturities until June of 2027. We will continue to be thoughtful in managing our capital structure to ensure we capitalize on favorable market conditions to refinance any maturities. We continue to target a debt to capital ratio in the neighborhood of 30% to support our strong BB+ credit rating. We are comfortable with our current 32.9% ratio.

Our strong balance sheet combined with the returns from our operations has enabled us to return over $1.9 billion to shareholders in the form of dividends and share repurchases in the past 4.5 years. In this period, we have repurchased 37% of our shares outstanding, which we believe is the highest percentage of shares repurchased during this time among our peer companies. Returning capital remains a core part of our focus on delivering strong total shareholder returns in all market conditions. In the first quarter, we paid $17 million in dividends representing a 1.8% yield, and we repurchased 843,000 shares for a return of capital of $50 million.

We ended the quarter with $850 million available under our current repurchase authorization. We expect to repurchase between $50 million and $100 million of common stock in the second quarter. As we look ahead, our strategy is to enhance our results through increased operating rigor as we shift our delivery mix towards higher margin Built to Order homes. We believe that this operating strategy, when combined with our shareholder-focused capital strategy, will maximize shareholder value over the long term.

With that, we’ll now take your questions. John, would you please open the line?

Questions and Answers:

Operator

Thank you. We will now conduct a question-and-answer. [Operator Instructions] And the first question comes from the line of Matthew Bouley with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.

Matthew Bouley

Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for taking the questions. So first, I guess based on the numbers you gave around inventory homes, it seems like the Built to Orders really improved kind of beyond what you’d get just from cutting spec starts. So my question is obviously we talk about the sort of gross margin benefit that’s pretty clear. But when you talk about mixing the business back to Built to Order, maybe this will be a preview of your investor day a little bit. But what does that kind of more full invisible backlog do for your sales folks, your operators, what changes around your thought process on production and starts. Just any more color on why the business overall runs better relative to spec production?

Robert McGibney

Sure. Matthew, thanks for the question. When we look at our Built to Order business, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, it’s really part of our DNA. It’s how we set up things, it’s how we look at the world, it’s how we train our salespeople. So we’re not surprised to see the shift to Built to Order. And part of it is just we haven’t been starting the specs or we’re not competing with ourselves in our own communities with both heavy spec load as well as Built to Order, but the benefits that it provides to the business in predictability, the first place I would go is that we’ve got this backlog of sold not started homes that we can leverage. That gives us a cadence where we can operate on even flow production that benefits all across the board, whether that’s on our fixed cost or just managing to a consistent level of construction in our communities plus we can use that cash if you will of homes that we have sold, not started, because it also gives our trade partners visibility.

And most of the markets that we’re operating in right now, we’re seeing starts are down pretty significantly year-over-year. And there are trade partners that are hungry for work. So that’s the first place that we point to with this guaranteed sequence of starts that’s coming up. You mentioned it, but one of the obvious ones is the big margin, incremental margin that we see within the same community selling Built to Order versus the inventory. And from the customer’s perspective, our view, my view is that we’re creating something different. And it’s not just treating a home like a commodity or a widget where people take what’s out there and available, but they’re getting to create their own personal value by picking their lot, picking their floor plan, picking their elevation, going through the design studio process and really making that home their own and designing it to fit their needs and their lifestyle and fit their budget as well.

Matthew Bouley

Okay, got it. No, that’s super helpful. Thank you for all that. Second one, just kind of jumping into the guide. So you talked about, I guess, removing roughly 1,000 deliveries from the full year guide, Q1 orders were up year-over-year. I know you mentioned that it wasn’t the level you needed to hold on to the guide. What I’m trying to get at is, I guess, was that Q1 order number the entire driver of the guidance change, or is this, should we also think you’re trying to reflect any more recent shifts in the market in March or any other changes on kind of the progression towards Built to Order? Anything else that’s kind of changed relative to when you gave this guidance in January? Thank you.

Robert McGibney

Yeah, it’s really the combo of the things that you mentioned. Part of it is the orders, our orders. While, it was a positive year-over-year comp. We’re pleased with the transition to more BTO sales. They were below our internal expectations that we had and how we built the plan for the year. As we get into the early part of March, there’s a lot of noise out there. And we mentioned in our prepared remarks this conflict and the Middle East that started right at the end of February. And we saw pretty good sales results the first week of March, but the last couple of weeks have been a little softer than what we would like to see or what we normally get this time of year.

And we just don’t have a lot of visibility right now, as I don’t think anybody does, into how long this conflict may go on and how it’s going to impact consumer psyche and confidence. But we feel that right now it’s weighing on the consumer. So those are really the two reasons why we adjusted the guide and provided a little wider range than we normally would for full year deliveries and revenue. Because of the lack of visibility, we’ve got into the short term kind of acute nature of the market right now.

John

And the next question will come from the line of John Lovallo with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Matthew Johnson

Hey, good evening guys. This is actually Matt Johnson on for John. I appreciate the time. I guess first, if we could just talk about gross margin a little bit. If I recall, I think last quarter you guys had expected 1Q to be the low point for the year on gross margin. Now it looks like at the midpoint of your outlook, you’re expecting 2Q to be down from 1Q. So if you guys could just give us some more color on what’s driving that kind of, what’s giving you guys confidence, that margin will in fact ramp from 2Q to 3Q. And then just if you guys could give us some numbers, I think you gave some numbers on the mix of BTO versus spec orders, but if you give some numbers around the mix of BTO for spec deliveries in 1Q versus 2Q, that would be great.

Robert R. Dillard

Yeah. As we thought about the sequential mix on where gross profit is going to go, I think that we think that it’s actually relatively flat as we’re guiding to a range, we’re putting a range out there that we feel comfortable with. I think that if you think about the drivers individually between quarters sequentially, we don’t expect meaningful changes in price, but we do expect to continue to get some delivery cost reductions. So I think there should also be some mix factor in there that’s going to be driving it down before we see the ramp.

As you think about the second half of the year, it’s something that we’ve been talking about in the past, that the shift of BTO should accumulate to a, to an increase in gross profit margin. We do expect some seasonal unit uplift that we would, that we’ve kind of, that’s implicit in the guide that should have some uplift in margins. And then also further cost reduction should have a benefit as well. So it’s really those three factors that we think are going to benefit the margins as we go through the year. We have pretty confidence in that because we’re selling the houses now and marketing the houses now. And that’s one of the benefits of the model is that we know the margins of the BTO house before we build it, whereas with a spec, you kind of never know until it’s done.

Robert McGibney

As we look out towards the back half of the year, I mentioned it in my prepared remarks, we have a lot of things that are just structurally different that we see that are going to lift margins. And Rob mentioned the shift to BTO, leverage on fixed with greater scale. But a big one that I mentioned is the shift or the transition back to a bigger, better business in Northern California. So as we look to the back half of the year, we’re getting deliveries from communities, from stores that are open in Northern California today that have a much higher ASP and have very healthy margins.

And as those become deliveries, some of these average selling prices are between $1.2 million to over $2 million. So it has a big impact on the overall company margins and we see that happening today. If you think about Northern California, we’ve gone through a little bit of a trough here with communities over the last couple of years. It used to be one of our biggest, most profitable businesses. And in that area of the country, it takes a really long time to bring lots to market. So we’ve been working on these things for years. They’re finally here, we’re delivering them. We like what we see and it’s going to provide a real tailwind for margins on the back half of this year.

Matthew Johnson

That all makes a lot of sense. I appreciate all the color there. I guess then if I could just follow up on the direct costs specifically. I think you guys said they were down 8% year-over-year, which is really strong, obviously. Although it sounded like there are some puts and takes within that. So I guess if you guys could just talk a little bit more about the impact from materials versus labor within that. And then just any obviously it’s early days here, but any disruption from what’s going on in the Middle East, just broader supply chain, kind of what you’re hearing from your suppliers in terms of potential price or availability impacts there.

Robert McGibney

Yeah, overall, we, like you noted the number year-over-year, we’ve made good progress with the things that we can control in value engineering our products and rebidding and renegotiating, reworking our national contract. So that’s all structural and will stand. Lumber has started to tick up here recently, and we’ve got various locks and a lumber strategy where we have different lock periods for different divisions and there’s potentially some tailwind or headwind coming from that as we relock some of these depending on what happens with lumber. But we think that our strategy is sound there and don’t think that it’s going to be a significant impact. And likely it may just be an offset to further direct cost reductions that we’d otherwise be able to go out and get and achieve.

As far as the impact from the situation in the Middle East, it’s just really difficult to tell. With oil prices being higher certainly that can bleed into land development and vertical construction. And then a lot of the products that go into a home, there’s petroleum that’s involved in those products at some point. So potential cost increases there. We’re hopeful that we can continue to offset that with some of the proactive things that we’re doing, but it really is a total unknown at this point. We haven’t seen it yet. It hasn’t showed up yet in our cost.

Operator

Thank you. And the next question comes from the line of Stephen Kim with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question.

Stephen Kim

Yeah, thanks very much, guys. Appreciate it. Yeah, the move to BTO is very clear. It’s obvious that there’s some margin benefits there. With it though you’re probably also going to see, you would think, slower backlog turns and maybe a temporary drag on cash flow. I’m trying to get a sense for what we should be thinking in terms of a going forward backlog turnover ratio. In 2017-2019, pre-COVID, you were kind of running at like your exit rate of the year, your fourth quarter, which usually was your highest, was like kind of in the low-60s. I’m wondering, is that like kind of a reasonable level that we should be thinking about for the business to kind of return back to that kind of a level or do you think you can do better than that? I noticed you said your build time was like 3.5 months. That would imply a backlog turnover ratio of like 86%. So I mean, just some guidance here or some color would be really helpful.

Robert McGibney

So, yeah, we don’t really think about the business that way, but I think somewhere between that 60 number and the 80 number is probably where we’ll fall. You know, the backlog turn that we’ve had has kind of been a false read versus what our typical business is because we’re going into a quarter and we may have, 500, 600, 700 sales, same quarter sales, and closings of inventory turn that weren’t in that beginning backlog number. So it’s pumping up that ratio with our build times where we’ve got them and we build the plan from the ground up. When we do our quarterly and full year plans and we’re banking and on the cycle time improvements, the build time improvements that we’ve gotten so far. But I think 70% — 60% to 70% is probably a good target.

Jeffrey T. Mezger

Steve, Todd, just clarify one other thing. Our Built to Order approach is actually better with cash. You think about carrying a couple thousand spec homes that you have to sell and close, they’re fully loaded and all the cash is out. And we’re setting this up where it’s real-time deliveries. The home gets completed, the loan is approved and the buyer goes and close. So it’s actually better cash management if you can just roll through the WIP sold at the percentage we’re targeting.

Stephen Kim

Got you. Okay, that’s really helpful. Then another side effect of moving to more BTO is that it potentially exposes you to higher cancellation rates. I know cancellation rates were super low this quarter. And one of the things I’ve been thinking about is that your customer deposits as a percentage of ASP are about 2%, which is pretty low even for other relative to other Build To Order builders. I know you’ve traditionally run with some lower customer deposits than other builders. And I’m curious if you could sort of talk about why that is, why you adopt that as part of your strategy. And is that something that you might change going forward?

Robert McGibney

Steve, I’d say it’s something that we always evaluate and we might change going forward depending on market conditions. When market conditions are really strong, it’s easier to command a higher deposit. But today with the way things stand, we don’t want to let that deposit upfront be a major obstacle to somebody purchasing their home. And my view on it is that when somebody comes in and buys a personalized home and they go through that process that I described earlier and they’re creating their own personal value that’s unique to them, that’s as much of a hook as getting them to stay in the deal as the deposit is. So we don’t anticipate that we’re going to have a real issue with cancellations. The backlog quality that we’ve got, the buyer profile is very healthy. They’re creating their own value in their home and we feel good about how we’re positioned with that.

John

Thank you. And the next question comes from the line of Michael Rehaut with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.

Michael Rehaut

Thanks. Good afternoon everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to first just revisit kind of the first quarter and March to date sales trends, which was obviously behind the guidance reduction and also just better understand if possible, how the year-over-year sales pace trended throughout the first quarter in terms of December, January, February, and if there’s any incremental color in terms of, at least on a year-over-year basis, how that kind of played into March.

Robert McGibney

Sure. Our sales cadence or the order cadence progressed generally as we would expect seasonally, really improving each week as the quarter unfolded. And as we mentioned, we delivered 3.5 sales per community for the quarter and December was a slower start for us and put us behind on our year-over-year comp. Then we saw solid momentum through January and February and ultimately finished the quarter up 3% year-over-year. At the March, as I said, the last couple of weeks of March has been a little softer than we would have liked. And this conflict in the Middle East, I think, which kicked off right at the end of February, beginning of March, there’s clearly some near term pressure on the consumer psyche from that. And that’s one of the things that’s limiting some of the visibility in the short term. But I mentioned before, we just, we don’t know how long that’s going to go or how long this will weigh on the consumer. But we’ve reflected that in, I think appropriately in our guidance by taking a more measured approach with that, including a wider full year revenue and delivery range than we normally provide at point.

Michael Rehaut

Okay, that’s, that’s helpful. I appreciate that. And I guess secondly, with regards to the gross margin outlook for the back half, I know you talked about ASPs in the mix benefiting from California, more California in the back half of the year. I think it’d be extremely helpful. There’s any way to kind of size or give any type of rough degree of magnitude or range, 50bps, 100bps, 200bps, however you want to characterize it. But any way to quantify perhaps the degree of magnitude of improvement that you’re expecting in 3Q and 4Q gross margins relative to your 2Q guide. I think it’d be very, very helpful for people to try and get their arms around, modeling and trying to anticipate what level of improvement you’re thinking of at this point.

Robert R. Dillard

Yeah, Michael, there’s a couple key factors that we’re thinking about that have been driving that second half margin uplift that are giving us a lot of confidence. The first one that I believe we’ve talked about in the past is the BTO shift. And if you can just do the rough math around increasing BTO mix from where it is today to around 70% and then the 300 to 500 basis points differential in the margin there, that equates to about 50 basis points of margin uplift as you get to that BTO mix and where we’re targeting. Further, we’ve got regional mix in there which is relatively meaningful.

The difference in gross profit in some of those higher margin communities can be as much as 1,000 basis points. And it’s something that will have a meaningful impact just on that with the price. So things that you should consider there is that there will be a shift in the ASP that’s just associated with mix and there will be a shift in the profitability that’s just associated with mix as well. Other factors are, the reducing cost and then the uplift in units which could have, we’re not really calling that. And that’s the component that we’re still thinking about, but that’s anywhere historically in the range of 0 to 100 basis points.

John

Thank you. And the next question comes from the line of Alan Ratner with Zelman & Associates. Please proceed with your question.

Alan Ratner

Hey guys, good afternoon. Thanks for all the details so far. First, just on the pricing side and the strategy, obviously with the shift to BTO, I know you’ve also been focused on more of a base price model as opposed to a heavy incentive model. I’m just curious as you look at your portfolio, obviously there’s uncertainty in the market and maybe there might need to be adjustments on the pricing side. What have you seen over the last month or two in terms of pricing at your communities? Do you feel like you’ve hit that point of where pricing has stabilized? I know you mentioned orders were a little bit below your expectations for the quarter. So are you still seeing a meaningful percentage of your communities where pricing is still drifting lower?

Robert McGibney

Al, as I always say, it’s really a community by community story. Overall, pretty stable. About 70% of our communities during Q1 either had no change or they had some level of small price increases. They were outpacing what our optimal projections are. We did have still about 30% of our communities where we moved price down further and different degrees depending on the community is we just work to find the market and optimize that asset. So it’s — changes from quarter-to-quarter, but again, that is a community by community focus. It changes not just on a metro level, but a submarket level and then down to within the community. And degree of change, it can be anywhere from it might be a $2,000 change or it might be, $10,000 change. But we’re making these incremental movements to try to hit the optimal pace to get the best return result out of each community.

Alan Ratner

Got it. Okay, that’s helpful. And then second, on your backlog, which is obviously growing here, I’m curious how you’re thinking about the risk of higher rates now that rates are beginning to creep up again. And I guess what I’m trying to get at is, if you go back a couple years ago, obviously when rates surged, people that entered a contract expecting to close at a certain mortgage rate either had difficulty qualifying at that higher rate or simply, didn’t want to move forward at that higher rate. And I know you’re trying to get away from incentives and rate buy downs, but how are you thinking about the folks that might have written contracts over the last month or two when rates were 25, 30, 40, even 50 basis points lower than they are today? Is there risk there? Are you working with those buyers to lock in a rate or buy down a rate if necessary to get them to qualify? I’m just curious how you’re thinking about that if rates do continue to move higher here.

Robert McGibney

It’s a good question. I’d say if you go back to what you were drawing the comparison to before in different market conditions. One of the things that was challenging for us there is the way that build times had expanded. And when you’re getting up to eight or nine months from sale to close, you’re exposed to a lot of rate volatility in that time period. And now that we’re building into 108 days, we’ve got less time exposure there. Certainly with rates being as volatile as they have been over the last couple of weeks, there’s some exposure to a limited number of the homes that we’ve got in backlog.

But generally we’re trying to get the buyers locked in with a loan before that home starts, at least if not before. So it’s limited exposure to a subset of houses that we have in backlog, mostly in our sold not started yet universe. And if we need to and find that we have to, we’re not so rigid on the no incentive approach that we’re not willing to help out and do something to buy that rate down to keep that buyer basically in the same position. But it’s something that we’ll evaluate as we go. And rates have been bouncing around wildly from day to day. So when we hit the low spots, we’re going to work to lock as many buyers as as we can.

Operator

Thank you. And the next question comes from the line of Susan Maklari with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Susan Maklari

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. My first question is on the SG&A. You mentioned that you did some headcount reductions. Can you talk about how comfortable you are with where the business is running today and how we should think about that potential benefit and the flow through of that coming in over the upcoming quarters?

Robert McGibney

Well, Susan, I would say that the adjustments that we made were to adjust to the new reality of what our deliveries and our revenue and our production levels are. So as we look ahead, if the market were to improve and volumes go back up, I think there’s some structural change in there that we’ll be able to get the benefit of. But the moves that we’ve really made on headcount and other fixed cost changes are to rebalance and reposition things with where we now think revenues are headed for the year.

Susan Maklari

Okay, all right. And then turning to land, can you just talk a bit about what you’re seeing there? Has there been any adjustment on the land market and what you’re watching for to potentially start to ramp up some of your spend on that side?

Robert McGibney

So we’re still in the land market. We’re searching every day for the right deals that fit our profile and that fit the return hurdles that we believe that we need to drive profitable growth over time. It’s been a little more challenging on the land front to drive a lot of deal flow because the market’s been pretty sticky with price. And there’s patient land sellers that generally have not adjusted to the new reality of what’s happened with sales prices and demand over the last year or so. As we look at our existing portfolio of deals or deals that we have under contract purchase, we’re having success with landowners in renegotiating terms.

That’s generally been the easiest thing to renegotiate, which is helpful on the financial side of things too, because often that means we’re doing a structured takedown instead of a bulk purchase or we’re able to kick out the closing to tie that close of escrow on the land much closer to when we can start turning dirt in development of the lots or in some cases actually going vertical on the houses. But overall, I think there’s still some adjustment that’s got to happen in the land market to reduce the the gap between the bid and the ask. At the same time, there are still sellers out there that have adjusted. And that’s what we’re really focused on, is building up our portfolio with new deals that fit our return hurdles today based on current conditions and current pricing and costs.

Operator

Thank you. And the next question comes from the line of Mike Dahl with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Stephen Mea

Hey everyone, you’ve actually got Stephen Mea on for Mike Dahl today. Thanks for taking my questions. I was hoping to dive more into the BTO versus inventory dynamic. The messaging of BTO typically being like 300 to 500 bps above inventory has been really helpful. But I was hoping you could unpack how this dynamic has been rolling through your most recent orders. Given all the adjustments to base price you’ve had to make in, all directions given the choppiness of the market, like, are you trending on like higher end, lower end? Is there any sort of potential expansion or shrinking of this delta like embedded within your outlook? Thanks.

Robert McGibney

Are you referring to the margin difference or the percentage of sales?

Stephen Mea

The margin difference.

Robert McGibney

I would say that that stayed pretty consistent. We’re able to — we’ve got visibility in that on both the closing side as well as as the sales side and haven’t seen much of a change there. It’s been pretty consistent in that we’ve got that 300 to 500 basis point delta where Built To Order margins are better than inventory. One of the things that I think we’re starting to see now is as we have cleared out some of the inventory and you don’t have as much in a community and there’s buyers for that community that may want or need that quick move in because they’ve got apartment lease or something that’s coming up. So in communities where we’ve only got the handful of inventory and we’re primarily selling BTO, there’s a little bit less of a reduction in the margin on those inventory sales versus where in the past we’ve had quite a few to choose from, both in inventory that’s completed as well as Built To Order. So as we’re making this transition to the Built To Order, I think we’re definitely getting higher margins on the Built To Order sales and it’ll probably help somewhat on the inventory that we do have as well.

Stephen Mea

Got it. That’s super helpful, thank you. And then lastly, just very broad question, just what you’re seeing in your markets at a regional level. If you could speak to any notable pockets of strength and potential areas that are lagging, just would be helpful to get a heat check considering all of the choppiness that’s out there. Thank you.

Robert McGibney

Sure. Every market’s got its own story and there’s places in each metro that are still doing just fine and selling very well. And there’s other places within the metros that are challenged. But from a regional perspective, we’re seeing relative strength on the West Coast, including most of California, Seattle and Boise. Las Vegas continues to perform very well. Texas remains more competitive. Houston has held better with Austin and San Antonio both grappling with higher inventory and just a very competitive market to secure those customers who are ready to transact. Florida is a little more mixed.

Orlando and Jacksonville, I’d say are seeing better demand than Tampa right at the moment. But overall pricing in Florida, I think still has stabilized. It’s just that the level of demand isn’t quite producing the volume that we’d like to see. But every market has got its own story and each metro has got those communities that are performing well and those that aren’t. Appears to be maybe a little bit of a flight to quality with the top submarkets performing better than maybe some of the drive to your qualified type communities. But that’s not the bulk of our business anyway.

Operator

Thank you. And our final question comes from the line of Sam Reid with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.

Sam Reid

Awesome. Thanks so much. Actually, just wanted to confirm your start pace in the first quarter. I can back into that based on your homes in production, but maybe just wanting to confirm the number because I believe the math would imply something less than 1,000 units versus say the 1,800 that you started in Q4 and then maybe just piggybacking off of that how start pace versus sales pace should look as we move through Q2, Q3 and Q4.

Robert McGibney

Yeah, so we’ve, as we mentioned, we’ve intentionally been pulling back on the spec starts and matching our starts to our Built To Order sales. So our starts were down, but it was right around 1,800. I believe it was 1,805 in the first quarter. So as we look ahead into Q2, we expect to generate more BTO sales and generate our starts from those sales. And right now we’ve got a healthy backlog of homes that haven’t started yet that are at the sold not started stage and that’s going to feed our starts over the next couple of months.

Sam Reid

That’s helpful. And then it was already covered, I apologize but maybe could you just give me the final expectation for Q2 on spec versus delta order and any context on what spec versus Built To Order looked like on orders for the first quarter. Thanks.

Robert McGibney

I walked through the cadence on that earlier so I don’t know Rob, if you have the overall average but we exited February at about 68% BTO and January and December were slightly below that but kind of looking at that as the rear view mirror. So as we go forward we know we left we exited February 68%, early March, we’re tracking above 70% and we think we’ll maintain that or get at least 75% as we move through Q2.

Operator

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