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Ocean Power Technologies Inc. (OPTT) Q2 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

OPTT Earnings Call - Final Transcript

Ocean Power Technologies Inc. (NASDAQ: OPTT) Q2 2022 earnings call dated Dec. 15, 2021

Corporate Participants:

Joseph DiPietro — Principal Accounting Officer, Acting Principal Financial Officer, Treasurer, and Controller

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

Robert P. Powers — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Analysts:

Robert Rayo — Individual Investor — Analyst

Tom Van Arsdale — Arsdale Capital Management — Analyst

Jeff Brubaker — Individual Investor — Analyst

Robert Cervero — R.E. Cervero Associates — Analyst

Joseph Jackowski — Individual Investor — Analyst

Presentation:

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Second Quarter Fiscal Year 2022 Conference Call for Ocean Power Technologies, Inc. [Operator Instructions]

I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Joseph DiPietro, Controller and Treasurer. Please go ahead.

Joseph DiPietro — Principal Accounting Officer, Acting Principal Financial Officer, Treasurer, and Controller

Good morning, and thank you for joining us on this call. A webcast of this call is also available on our website at www.oceanpowertechnologies.com.

Joining me on the call today are Dr. Philipp Stratmann, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Bob Powers, our newly appointed, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Following our prepared remarks, we will have a question and answer session. After the market closed yesterday, we issued our earnings press release and filed our quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the quarter ended October 31, 2021. All of our public filings are available on the SEC website at sec.gov or within the Investor Relations section of our website.

This call will include forward-looking statements that are within the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements are identified by certain words or phrases and are based on assumptions made by management regarding future circumstances over which the company may have little or no control and involve risks and uncertainties and other factors that may cause actual results to be materially different from any future results expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements. Additional information about these risks and uncertainties can be found in our most recent Form 10-K and subsequent filings with the SEC. We disclaim any obligation or intent to update the forward-looking statements made in order to reflect events or circumstances discussed on this call.

Now I am pleased to introduce Dr. Philipp Stratmann.

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, and good morning. We have a lot to update you on this morning as we had a busy second quarter and start to our third quarter and executing our strategy to become the global leader in data and power as a service within our oceans and seas. This is an exciting time for Ocean Power Technologies. Some quick highlights of our progress included further growth of our Strategic Consulting Services, the advancement of our Maritime Domain Awareness Solution and the acquisition of Marine Advanced Robotics, a leading company which manufactures autonomous water vehicles. We have quickly established the necessary beachheads to deliver consistent, reliable, and most importantly, actionable data intelligence to our global customers.

Before I get too far into our strategy and business update, I would like to take a moment to introduce Bob Powers, our new Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. As you saw in our press release on Monday, he started with us a few days ago, and we could not be more excited about Bob joining our team. He brings expertise in driving financial excellence and executing strategy within a broad range of companies and industries and has extensive experience with M&A activities. Bob possesses strong financial acumen, he is proactive and a clear communicator, and he will bring great leadership to OPT, over top requisites we were looking for. We are fortunate to have him.

With that, I’d like to introduce you to Bob Powers. Bob?

Robert P. Powers — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Philipp. It’s my pleasure to be here today and share with our investor community how excited I am to join this innovative company. Early in the recruiting process, it became clear that my experience and skill set would allow me to hit the ground running and make an immediate impact at OPT. My background includes more than 25 years of financial experience for a number of public and private company. Most recently, I was CFO at Constellation Advisors, a private equity-owned provider outsourced back office operations and compliance services.

There are many reasons why I decided to take this opportunity. Although I have worked in companies of various sizes, I truly enjoyed the action, fast pace and a high degree of openness to change that exist in smaller companies. Plus, I believe that OPT has the opportunity to do something special. Nearly 70% of the world is comprised of oceans, and OPT is a company looking to tap into that enormous resource to better connect our oceans with those who operate there.

The company’s strategy ties nicely into the critical and very timely topic of sustainability, and I became convinced the market potential is massive. It is a very appealing to be part of that at such a critical stage. I look forward to being a strong partner to Philipp and the organization and executing the company’s strategic vision. I also look forward to speaking with many of you over the coming months and earning your trust quickly.

I will now turn things back over to Philipp.

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Bob. It’s great to have you onboard to help us execute our strategy and drive shareholder value. While we welcome Bob, I also want to take a moment to thank Scott Salantrie, who served as Interim CFO the past few months and provided us with substantial support as we felt it was important to executive role. Scott has provided strong leadership, wise counsel and steady guidance over the past few months and we thank him for that. We wish him well as he returns to being semi-retired.

I will now turn my comments to the performance of our business as we continue to evolve from being solely a manufacturer of wave energy devices to becoming a multi-faceted offshore data, power and engineering services organization. I will organize my comments around our three core service areas, which also serve as a foundation of our growth strategy.

Our vision is to have our Data as a Service segment provide constant data information to our customers. We started in earnest with the work we did for Harbor Energy in the North Sea in 2019. Since then, we’ve been developing a Maritime Domain Awareness Solution to introduce edge computing and artificial intelligence modules that can be delivered to customers via cyber secure cloud environments. For instance, our Data as a Service can provide governments with key activity data to protect our shores as part of national security measures.

We bolstered the segment with the acquisition of Marine Advanced Robotics in mid-November. This was a cash and stock deal, plus it has an earn-out provision over the next two years. We paid $11 million at closing, including $4 million in cash. We expect this deal to be immediately accretive for the balance of fiscal 2022. MAR designs and manufactures unique autonomous surface vessels, utilizing the patented Wave Adaptive Modular Wave technology or WAM-V for short. These stable and portable ultra-light vehicles are incredibly useful for a multitude of applications such as marine survey missions, active patrolling of waters and maintaining safe borders. We believe there are substantial synergies to be gained with OPT’s focus on Maritime Domain Awareness and integration with our PowerBuoy products that can extend the length and scope of missions at sea.

MAR has three sizes of commercially available vehicles, providing our customers with multiple options depending on their needs. MAR has a strong customer base, a pipeline of product sales and robotic service projects. We’re looking to use OPT’s resources, including our 56,000 square foot manufacturing and warehouse facility to scale up their capacity to meet the demand for WAM-Vs for industrial security and research use.

Our acquisition notwithstanding the pace of development continues on schedule with our proprietary Maritime Domain Awareness platform. As I mentioned last quarter, we are creating a leading edge cloud-based platform with expandable sensor and analytic capabilities. We are doing this using a mix of internal expertise supported by external firms for development, namely, Fathom5 and Greensea, both have strong reputations with cloud computing and robotics development.

We are continuing to test and refine our Maritime Domain Awareness offering with ocean trials off the Coast of New Jersey. Since September, we have deployed and retrieved test buoys that operated as expected and produced broad data information, including video footage and radar tracks that we believe will be very attractive to our customers. Our near-term plans include deploying PB3 and hybrid PowerBuoys, outfitted with the necessary radar, cameras and other equipment and software development continues. We believe that pairing the security features of our MDA system with the zero and low carbon power of OPT’s PowerBuoy products and with the future integration of the capabilities of the WAM-V vehicles, we’ll keep OPT at the forefront of this critical market.

Next is our Power as a Service segment, which delivers autonomous clean power to our customers wherever and whenever it is required by utilizing our managed power platforms, such as the PB3 PowerBuoy, hybrid PowerBuoy and the subsea battery for topside and subsea power applications. We continue to advance our existing platforms to offer our customers an expanded range of options for delivery of power to their equipment. A recent example of these efforts is the initial study conducted for the DeepStar Consortium, developing a concept for subsea oil and gas power supply.

We also continued development of our next generation Mass-on-Spring Wave Energy Converter supported by the U.S. Department of Energy, which I spoke about on our last call. This is the type of public/private blue energy collaboration that we believe is necessary on larger scale to accomplish the goals of the United Nations’ Decade for Ocean Science for Sustainable Development.

And finally, we have our Strategic Consulting Services business, which focuses on delivering value to our customers in the areas of ocean engineering, structural and dynamic analysis, Front End Engineering and Design or FEED studies and motion simulation. Our February 2021 acquisition of 3Dent Technology continues to integrate well and has expanded our strategic consulting services offerings.

I’d like to remind you that we are in the process of sunsetting the name 3Dent. And going forward, we will simply refer to our strategic consulting offerings. We now have the capabilities to conduct engineering projects for a variety of clients, including offshore energy-related applications. This is especially important right now as the oil and gas industry recovers from last year’s downturn. We are seeing increased demand for this type of support as companies look to restart exploration and production projects that were put on hold due to the pandemic. Another achievement for our consulting business include successfully winning our first wind farm project early in the third quarter. We are excited about our progress to date and the opportunities that are ahead of us.

With that, let me return the call over to Joe to discuss the financial results in more detail.

Joseph DiPietro — Principal Accounting Officer, Acting Principal Financial Officer, Treasurer, and Controller

Thank you, Philipp, and good morning again to everyone joining us on the call today. Revenue for the second quarter of fiscal year 2022 increased to $247,000 compared to $118,000 in the second quarter of fiscal year 2021 due to growth of our Strategic Consulting Services. Engineering and product development costs increased $1.1 million sequentially from the first quarter of this year. This was mainly due to testing done off the Coast of New Jersey as we further position our Data as a Service segment for growth.

Selling, general and administrative costs increased by approximately $200,000 from the second quarter of fiscal year 2020 to the second quarter of fiscal year 2021. However, declined sequentially from the first quarter by almost $900,000. We continue to operate with a strong balance sheet ending the second quarter with $72.6 million of total cash and cash equivalents and no bank debt, which gives us significant flexibility. We expect our cash near-term to fund our operation needs of approximately $5 million of cash per quarter.

Additionally, in support of our growth strategy, we will continue to look for tuck-in acquisition opportunities that reinforce our three core service segments. The MAR acquisition is a great example of this, which resulted in a cash outlay of $4 million at closing subsequent to quarter end. In short, we had a fairly straightforward quarter from a financial perspective.

For now, we are happy to take your questions.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is coming from the line of Robert Rayo [Phonetic]. Please proceed with your questions.

Robert Rayo — Individual Investor — Analyst

Hello. I’m a individual investor, and I got a — I’m retired from Army, so I got some different questions than probably what most people will have. One is, on the last conference call, you stated that you guys would be deploying three PB3s, one of them be the Anchorless PB3 off New Jersey, and we have not heard anything about that or had any news releases at all. So my question is, I’ve read up on a lot of the Navy — on a Navy sites how the SBIR and STTR works. And in most cases, it states if a study goes into Phase 2, it becomes a lot of times confidential or secret. So my question to you is, is that a test with the anchorless with the Navy? Is it classified so that you guys are basically under NDAs where you cannot release an information on it?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

Hi, Robert. Thank you for your question and for being an investor. The tests of New Jersey that we are conducting are entirely financed on our own. The products that we have deployed so far are a set of test buoys. And we have a set of PB3s on the hybrid being deployed at those three sites that we have. And then later on in the fiscal year, we will also be deploying the first demonstrator for the next generation PowerBuoy system that we are developing, which I mentioned is the Mass-on-Spring Wave Energy Converter or MOSWEC for short. But the three sites that we have, they — as I said, they are financed by us and they are sites that are permitted by the Army Corps of Engineers.

Robert Rayo — Individual Investor — Analyst

Okay. One more question. Your buoys, the PB3s can detect other ships or vessels or whatever. I’m wondering, what is the distance? How far out can they detect vessels? And can they pinpoint their location say like a GPS location? And how accurate — what’s the accuracy on that?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you for the question, Robert. The detection distance depends to a certain on high up we fit them off and how high up the customer is wanting to go and how many miles a customer wants to cover. Typically speaking, we are at about 50 nautical mile radius range for detection. And with the combination of AIS radar and video camera detection abilities that we’ve got, we can pinpoint vessels very accurately, including having the ability to detect AIS spoofing and vessels with AIS off.

Robert Rayo — Individual Investor — Analyst

All right, thanks. That’s all the questions I have at this time.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Tom Van Arsdale with Arsdale Capital Management. Please proceed with your question.

Tom Van Arsdale — Arsdale Capital Management — Analyst

Yes, guys. So I saw the results, and the total losses to investors are $243 million. When are you guys going to be profitable? Saw the recent acquisition. Explain the pathway to profitability for this company?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

Absolutely. Thanks for the question, Tom. As I mentioned on the last call, I mean, as we reiterated today, we are moving towards the data — Ocean Data as a Service segment. And one of the reasons why we brought in Bob Powers as CFO is his experience with subscription stream revenues. And the Ocean Data as a Service segment lends itself to start providing more of a DaaS-type service which has recurring revenues, which result from the subscription streams that we can sell on the data bit. And in addition to that, we can provide our buoys as a Power as a Service segment into those. So by layering on the recurring revenues over the platforms, we are building out an installed base around the globe that enables us to go and generate profits and thus become profitable for our shareholders.

Tom Van Arsdale — Arsdale Capital Management — Analyst

And with the installed base, how many PB3s are in the water for paying customers?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

At the moment and per the press releases that we’ve got, the primary PB3 that’s currently installed, which was done under the previous strategy that we were executing is the one that’s down in EGP for Chile.

Tom Van Arsdale — Arsdale Capital Management — Analyst

So there’s only one in the water. And pathway to profitability is when?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

The way — as I said, the way we are executing is we are building out the installed base. And in order to increase the installed base and make the underlying platforms being profitable by themselves is by building out the solution set that sits on top of the platforms, because ultimately, that is what the customers are interested in, in terms of being able to help solve their problems.

Tom Van Arsdale — Arsdale Capital Management — Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Jeff Brubaker [Phonetic]. Please proceed with your questions.

Jeff Brubaker — Individual Investor — Analyst

Hi, everybody. I was just wondering if you can speak any further on the SLAMR initiative, saw a pretty cool video about Ocean Power’s role in that? And specifically, if there is a PB3 at the SLAMR facility in Monterey or not? Thanks.

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

Hi, Jeff. No offense, that’s a good question. We are very excited to working on SLAMR, the Sea, Land, Air, Military Research initiative, which is being hosted by the Naval Postgraduate School. As you’ve probably seen in that video, the initial studies for that project have been completed. And ultimately, that will involve a PB3 that would be going in the water for the offshore demonstrations. And as you would have seen, it fits exactly into that Maritime Domain Awareness space. It is using a PB3 to power communications gateways. In this case, as you saw in the video provided by AT&T to extend 5G offshore and then communicate with aerial, surface and subsea drones. So we are currently in ongoing discussions with Naval Postgraduate School about when and where the demonstration for the actual offshore demonstration will take place and looking for the ideal location in terms of permitting.

Jeff Brubaker — Individual Investor — Analyst

Okay, awesome. Thanks. And then you mentioned the next-gen PowerBuoy with Fathom5 and Greensea, I was just wondering when we could expect some more information on that? Like what the new capabilities might be and stuff like that?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

Okay. Yeah, I think just to clarify, Fathom5 and Greensea are — and this is where we’re moving. We’re moving to more of a platforming approach, and Fathom5 and Greensea are independent of the underlying platform. They are developing the edge computing and cloud computing capabilities for us, the mechatronics for this solution payload. The next generation power platform I mentioned is the Mass-on-Spring Wave Energy Converter.

Essentially, what you end up doing, you move the moving parts on the outside of the PB3 into the PB3. Thus, you reduce any risk of having any external exposure where a valve could fail or a seal would need maintenance. So you increase the time between maintenance and potential failures. And we are being — at the moment, this is in a Phase 1 SBIR with the Department of Energy where the Department of Energy is contributing $197,000, I believe, to the study.

Once that study is complete, which will be in the next couple of months, we will be deploying the first demonstrator off the Coast of New Jersey and then looking to secure additional funding for commercializing this product, which would then occur at some point over the next 12 to 18 months.

Jeff Brubaker — Individual Investor — Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is coming from the line of Robert Rayo. Please proceed with your questions.

Robert Rayo — Individual Investor — Analyst

Hello. Okay, I’ve got couple of more questions. One is, is the study that’s going on with Adams Engineering and the study with the Navy and the 5G, is that study classified or secret?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

That study is not classified or secret, but for commercial confidence reasons, I can’t divulge the details of the study other than what I just mentioned about the SLAMR study in general.

Robert Rayo — Individual Investor — Analyst

Okay. One more. Say, the Navy needs one of these anchorless buoys that you’re working on with them, say they want to deploy it somewhere in the world, if some thing has come up military-wise, can they be air dropped?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

We don’t currently have an anchorless buoy that we have commercially available. And we’re not working on anchorless, we’re working on single point moorings. At this point in time, we have not looked at air dropping one of our buoys. But one of the reasons we acquired Marine Advanced Robotics is the ability to have additional launch and roaming capabilities in order to deploy MDA systems for ISR purposes, say for example, on a global basis.

Robert Rayo — Individual Investor — Analyst

Okay. Well, I’ve read several articles on Navy sites about either call it an anchorless buoy or a station-keeping buoy. So you’re not working on either one of those?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

I think those were concepts that were being developed and talked about a couple of years ago. But what we decided and where we’ve gone is that we’re utilizing some of the findings from the anchorless concept and putting that into the MOSWEC system, which is the next-gen power system. And in addition, I think given the growth in the ASV/USV market, I think, look, instead of having an anchorless buoy, having roaming vehicles I think is a much better anchorless concept because you can cover a much larger area at any given time.

Robert Rayo — Individual Investor — Analyst

Okay. So that sounds like to me that you might be using a PB3 to be a recharging docking station for the ramp?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

That is definitely one of the concepts we’re working on, and it’s a concept we actually developed prior to even the MAR acquisition with some potential docking station partners.

Robert Rayo — Individual Investor — Analyst

All right, thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Robert Cervero [Phonetic] with R.E. Cervero Associates. Please proceed with your questions.

Robert Cervero — R.E. Cervero Associates — Analyst

Hi. I’m sorry that I came in a little bit late. I missed the first 12 minutes or so. Did you announce any new sales of actual PB3 units? And if not, do you have any on order?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

Hi, Robert. No, we did not announce any new sales or any backlog. We are in active discussions with several customers, domestic and overseas right now, where the PB3 and the hybrid are under discussion as the platforms for a Maritime Domain Awareness Solution.

Robert Cervero — R.E. Cervero Associates — Analyst

Okay. So right now, all revenues are coming from basically services provided?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

Right. In the quarter, they came from services provided and the study with the Department of Energy. Obviously, as we are moving forward, I think you might have missed that in the — whilst before you logged on, obviously, MAR is immediately accretive to our business, but those are activities that occurred in the third quarter so far.

Robert Cervero — R.E. Cervero Associates — Analyst

I see. Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Joe Jackowski [Phonetic]. Please proceed with your questions.

Joseph Jackowski — Individual Investor — Analyst

Yeah. How many actual buoys are there off the Coast of New Jersey?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

There is these three permitted sites. Given the weather that occurred over the past — last week, we actually — we pulled them in after being out there for several weeks. And we are currently waiting for a suitable weather window for redeployment on those systems.

Joseph Jackowski — Individual Investor — Analyst

How many buoys were pulled in?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

The final one was pulled in I believe last week on Tuesday or Wednesday.

Joseph Jackowski — Individual Investor — Analyst

Okay. So in the last call you had said that there were going to be three buoys set out off the Coast of New Jersey. So did you take in three buoys that were out there or how many actual buoys were out there that you pulled in?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

Okay. So now I understand your question. I apologize. We had two out because of the weather windows, two came back in and we’ve got — actually we’ve got five that we’re looking to put out on to the three sites. I think if I — on the last call if I didn’t mention on that one, the way we’re going about it is, we are cycling some of the buoys in and out so that we can go and make refinements to some of the payloads based on the live data we are collecting and then we are hot swapping the payload systems on the different platforms in and out. That is efforts that are continuing to be ongoing. And I think the — we currently have three on standby that will go out at the earliest opportunity again.

Joseph Jackowski — Individual Investor — Analyst

How much revenue directly came from three then last quarter? I mean, it’s — can we see an uptick in revenue here or is this what we have to look forward to for what we paid for it?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

Last quarter 3Dent revenues were just over $260,000. And we have seen a material uptick in the opportunity pipeline and in revenues coming into the third quarter given the uptick in oil pricing as well as the uptick in East Coast wind farm activities.

Joseph Jackowski — Individual Investor — Analyst

What happened with the PowerBuoy 3 in Japan? And was it launched in 2018?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

The PowerBuoy that was out for Mitsui Engineering, I think it was out there. I can’t — I don’t recall whether it was six months or thereabouts. But that project ended and that buoy came back to us. That was a demonstrator project for Mitsui.

Joseph Jackowski — Individual Investor — Analyst

And how — what kind of feedback are you getting from the Chile buoy that’s out there?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, as you can see from the public statements as well that EGP has made, they are appreciative and they like the buoy operations profile. And in fact, I believe there is a — they have a public website where you can see how the buoy is operating, the power it’s generating and so on and so forth.

Joseph Jackowski — Individual Investor — Analyst

I guess, my point out of the whole thing is, why isn’t the buoy getting any traction out there? I mean, the company is not even able to sell one a year or one a quarter, nothing. Can we see — I mean, what’s holding it back? Is it the sales? Is it the data that’s not — are they not working out their properly? What’s the end game with them?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

I think the buoys work as designed and as intended and as engineered. The reason we are making the pivot and we’re executing it very swiftly to board more of the solution side is that our customers are looking to us to provide them not just with the platform, but also with the payload and the integration of that payload into their systems. And that is where we’ve seen a material uptick in our opportunity pipeline ever since we’ve moved towards being able to provide them more of a, call it, a modified off the shelf type systems as opposed to being able to solely provide them with the power platform in and of itself.

Joseph Jackowski — Individual Investor — Analyst

If anybody is looking at the Chile information that it’s putting out, I mean, nobody stepping up to the plate and putting orders together for it. And seeing that if it’s work that good, our company wants one of them. Why aren’t we seeing that?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, the conversations that we’re having have since the deployment of Chile as well and since we’ve moved towards the Ocean Data as a Service offering have increased substantially. And I think as I mentioned earlier, the conversations we’re having with some overseas and domestic customers are around the buoys, but the buoys as a platform for the payload that is going to be provided specifically around Maritime Domain Awareness on subsea sensing.

Joseph Jackowski — Individual Investor — Analyst

Do you have any idea of when we’re going to see any kind of revenues on the books with the new acquisition of WAM?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

You will see revenues on the books this quarter. This is an immediately accretive deal.

Joseph Jackowski — Individual Investor — Analyst

All right. Thanks, gentlemen.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Robert Cervero with R.E. Cervero Associates. Please proceed with your questions.

Robert Cervero — R.E. Cervero Associates — Analyst

Hi. Since you have moved strictly it seems to this selling services idea, we are the — as I understand you, we are the provider of the unit that will be the base for the services, therefore, the cost is ours of creating this unit. What kind of timeframe gives us from the services costing the payback for our investment in the actual buoy and subsystem?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks for the question, Robert. The way we’re looking at it, it is somewhat of a hybrid model that we’re discussing with some of our potential customers right now. In some instances, they are looking at acquiring the platform, but then us providing the services on top. In other cases, they are discussing with us rolling in essentially a lease model similar to what we did for ENI and Harbor Energy a couple of years back and rolling that into the overall cost. So it’s — it kind of depends on the customer and whether they are governmental or private, but it generally is a hybrid between leasing or selling of the platform and then the provision of the services for the payloads and the corresponding subscription charges.

Robert Cervero — R.E. Cervero Associates — Analyst

So we are obviously willing to go either way through lease or purchase?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, we are willing to go either way, primarily in order to rapidly scale up the installed base that exists out there.

Robert Cervero — R.E. Cervero Associates — Analyst

Very good. Thank you. That clarifies things.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Tom Van Arsdale with Arsdale Capital Management. Please proceed with your question. Tom, could you check if you’re on mute, please. Tom, one more time, are you self-muted?

Tom Van Arsdale — Arsdale Capital Management — Analyst

Yes. Can you hear me now? I’m sorry.

Operator

We can hear you, yes.

Tom Van Arsdale — Arsdale Capital Management — Analyst

Yes, sorry about that. Robert Cervero asked a very interesting question. I’d like to follow-up with a follow-up question on that. He asked for what is the payback on the model for data. The company is pivoting to a Data as a Service. What is the payback? How long will it take from the initial capital cost to build it, deploy it, get it out there, put the systems on and then get paid back for a profitable business? So that’s the question I’d like to ask.

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

So thanks for the question. I think in terms — as I mentioned to Robert, in the case of where the hardware is sold, the payback on that is immediate plus the margin that’s on top of that. It’s immediate to the point of obviously at the point of delivery and acceptance test and then it’s the recurring data stream. In terms of the lease model, it will be around — it depends on the duration of the customer needs it for. But typically speaking, like with all offshore assets, it will be somewhere in a range between 18 to 36 months, which is typically speaking, where most offshore assets are paid back over a lease period.

Tom Van Arsdale — Arsdale Capital Management — Analyst

So you’re saying that the actual contract that may develop is an 18 to 36-month contract? And over that time, the payback will be complete in terms of covering all of the upfront capital cost deployed?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

No, Tom, that’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is that the contract could be any duration from six months to 10 years. But the typical payback period of the hardware in and of itself sits in the 18 to 36-month range. That’s one of the main reasons why we are spending the time and effort at the moment of developing the data capabilities in addition to that because that is the recurring data subscription charges that we can then maintain even once the hardware is paid off to have recurring revenues on an installed base that is paid off.

Tom Van Arsdale — Arsdale Capital Management — Analyst

So as I understand it, it would require — this model requires consistent revenue stream customers that would enable a payback. Is that correct?

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, we would only lease if it is on a longer term basis or with a customer where there is a high degree of certainty on recurring revenues. Otherwise, the model, as I mentioned to Robert, would be focusing on a sale of the hardware and then provision of the services on a recurring basis on top of the sold hardware.

Tom Van Arsdale — Arsdale Capital Management — Analyst

Okay.

Operator

Thank you. That is all the time we have today for the question and answer. I would like to hand the call back over to Dr. Philipp Stratmann for any closing comments.

Philipp Stratmann — President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you. I’m very excited about what is ahead for OPT. With the additions of Marine Advanced Robotics and 3Dent Technology, we are transforming the company with new and varied capabilities that seek to build on the innovative technologies on which OPT was founded on. We are confident this will translate to long-term value for our customers and shareholders. I want to thank our customers, employees, vendors, strategic partners and shareholders for your continued support.

Operator

[Operator Closing Remarks]

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