Reinsurance Group Of America Inc (RGA) Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Reinsurance Group Of America Inc (NYSE: RGA) Q1 2025 Earnings Call dated May. 02, 2025

Corporate Participants:

Jeff Hopson — Senior Vice President, Investor Relations

Tony Cheng — President and Chief Executive Officer

Axel Andre — Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Jonathan Porter — Executive Vice President Global Chief Risk Officer

Leslie Barbi — Executive Vice President Chief Investment Officer

Analysts:

Suneet Kamath — Analyst

Elyse Greenspan — Analyst

John Barnidge — Analyst

Jamminder Bhullar — Analyst

Wesley Carmichael — Analyst

Ryan Krueger — Analyst

Thomas Gallagher — Analyst

Joel Hurwitz — Analyst

Wilma Burdis — Analyst

Michael Ward — Analyst

Bob Huang — Analyst

Presentation:

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Good day and welcome to Reinsurance Group of America first quarter 2025 earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the Star key followed by zero. After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star. Good day. Hey and welcome to Reinsurance Group of America first quarter 2025 earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the Star key followed by zero.

After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jeff Hobson, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Jeff Hopson — Senior Vice President, Investor Relations

Thank you. Welcome to RGA’s first quarter 2025 conference call. I’m joined on the call this morning by Tony Chang, RGA’s president and CEO, Axel Andre, chief Financial Officer, Leslie Barbee, Chief Investment Officer and Jonathan Porter, Chief Risk Officer. A quick reminder before we get going regarding forward looking information and non GAAP. Financial measures, some of our comments today.

May contain forward looking statements. Actual results could differ materially from expected results. Please refer to the earnings release we issued yesterday for a list of important factors that could cause actual results to to differ from expected results. Additionally, during the course of this call, the information we provide may include non GAAP financial measures.

Please see our earnings release, earnings presentation and quarterly financial supplement, all of which are posted on our website for a discussion of these terms and reconciliations to GAAP measures. Throughout the call, we will be referencing. Slides from the earnings presentation, which again is posted on our website. And now I’ll turn the call over. To Tony for his comments.

Tony Cheng — President and Chief Executive Officer

Good morning everyone and thank you for joining our call. Last night we reported adjusted operating earnings of $5.66 per share. Our adjusted operating return on equity, excluding notable items was 15%. I consider this to be a very good quarter and it provides a strong start to the year. We achieved these results through a balance of strong performances across many of our geographic regions and products. The most significant driver of the results was the favorable claims experience, which is a continuation of our strong underwriting results over the past couple of years. Despite ongoing macroeconomic uncertainties, we are not seeing a significant impact on our business.

Our asset portfolio remains well positioned and our capital position remains strong. Therefore, we are highly confident we can successfully navigate the current environment without losing any of our strong momentum. I am very proud to announce that for the 14th year in a row, RJ was number one in terms of the NMG Consulting’s business capability index, with particular strength in underwriting, actuarial product innovation and relationship management. We believe the backbone to our success is our biometric expertise. In other words, we are second to none in terms of pricing, underwriting and ongoing risk management of mortality, morbidity and longevity risk.

As you know, this expertise either directly leads to more biometric reinsurance or indirectly is our key differentiator in the asset intensive blocks that we pursue. Our biometric expertise has also led to strong claims experience over RGA’s history. Since the end of 2022, our cumulative underwriting claims experience has been highly favorable to compared to expectations. And finally, with regards to this quarter, all of our key geographic regions reported favorable claims experience on both an economic and GAAP income statement basis. In terms of in force transactions, we had a strong quarter with $418 million of capital deployed.

This includes the previously announced Manulife deal that closed at the beginning of the quarter as well as two more modest sized strategic transactions in Asia. Additionally, in February we announced a strategic transaction with Equitable. The actual capital deployment for this deal will be recorded when it closes which is expected mid year. As a reminder, this transaction is in our wheelhouse of mortality risk and we expect the financial returns to be within our targeted range. I will now provide details on some of our new business activities in the quarter focused on our four areas of notable growth in Asia.

Traditional we had a strong quarter in terms of new treaties with all markets performing well. Importantly, nearly all that success in related to Creation Re product development initiatives. Creation Re refers to our ability to partner with clients on a more exclusive basis to deliver new products and create greater value for both our clients and rga. These partnerships have allowed RGA to grow together with our clients and in many cases help them win industry awards and gain market leadership. For rj, this leads to quality repeat business and also larger transactions as our clients grow in scale.

This is best illustrated by the fact that since 2021 the new business embedded value per transaction for Asia has tripled in size. This is due not only to larger sized transactions but also due to higher expected underwriting profitability as we create new products with little competition. More strategically, each new product not only leads to more business, more data and a stronger brand, but also deepens our library of solutions. These Solutions are then adapted and replicated and across different markets creating further new products and the creation reflywheel continues. Let me highlight this with our largest traditional business in Asia, the Hong Kong underlying life insurance market remains very strong, achieving record sales in 2024 increasing over 21% from 2023.

This is due to the rapid growth in mainland Chinese visitors buying insurance, the aging population and Hong Kong being a major high net worth wealth management center. In response to these trends, we recently launched three new initiatives. The first is our simplified issue Critical illness product catered to the senior market. Second, we continue to be highly successful in delivering the more complex underwriting services needed for the high net worth segment. And third, we developed the MedScreen plus underwriting system which simplifies the process for mainland Chinese visitors coming to Hong Kong. This underwriting system won its second award during the quarter and is fast being recognized as a competitive advantage for our clients.

These innovations drive the creation read business in Hong Kong, lead to deeper market penetration and further creates our library of solutions that we tailor for other markets with similar needs across Asia. Moving to Asia Financial Solutions, our second area of notable growth, we closed two block transactions in Japan. For both these transactions, RJ has had a long standing relationship with for more than a decade. Japan is one of our most exciting business opportunities as a result of the new ESR Capital framework. Our local teams not only provide quotes on a timely manner but also provide the after sales service in the local language and adhering to local cultures.

We feel this gives RJ a distinct edge in this market segment. We of course tremendously value the large marquee transactions, but as important are these more frequent modest sized blocks that play towards our sweet spot of biometric expertise and strong local teams. These more modest sized transactions are often completed without an intense bidding process and RJ with it many touch points and long standing relationships is best positioned to benefit. Our third area of notable growth is the longevity and PRT market. Starting with the uk, we expect strong levels of PRT sales once again during the year.

Similar to Japan, our local UK team has in my view an incomparable combination of expertise, data, relationships and experience in the longevity market, which is why they have long been the market leader. Similar to Hong Kong, we have a market leading underwriting system for the individual retail annuity segment that ensures we win more than our fair share of business. Our pipeline remains very strong and we expect another successful year. The US PRT market has been less vibrant recently which may be reflecting the effects of market uncertainty resulting in less steel activity at the upper end of the market.

We do expect this to be temporary and for the market to recover and we remain very bullish on this business line. Finally, in the U.S. traditional area, our fourth area of notable growth, we had another active quarter as we added a number of new treaties, most of them related to our underwriting initiatives. As demonstrated with the equitable transaction, we not only do large block transactions, but we also provide product development and underwriting outsourcing services to support new business. When you couple this with our partners that provide distribution, technology and other services, it is clear that together we bring holistic solutions generating exclusive business for rja.

I trust you can see our business playbook of creating and perpetuating the creation RE flywheel is very consistent across the world. Strong local teams that learn from each other and are empowered to partner and deliver unique solutions for our clients such that we can grow together and become market leaders through our global network and often with the same global client. We then spread and adapt these new solutions to different markets, creating more new solutions and the virtuous cycle continues. This business generates greater value for our clients and higher returns for rga. We have executed this strategy ahead of schedule over the past two years, resulting in greater than 50% of our new business coming from creation re over this period of time.

Continuing this success will provide a tailwind to our current ROE levels once the earnings power from this new business fully materializes. With regards to in force management actions, as we have discussed previously, in addition to attractive new business, we are able to enhance ROE and earnings through our balance sheet optimization strategy and other management actions and levers. This is very much part of our business but is lumpy in nature. The impact of in force actions was modest in Q1, but we continue to move forward on a number of initiatives that we expect to help drive higher returns over time.

Looking forward, we continue to be very optimistic about our business due to our strong focus on being disciplined. We have strong strategic discipline of sticking to what we know and what we are great at. Just as important is our risk taking and being patient for the right risk return trade off to emerge. And the third important area of discipline is in capital management and finding efficient new sources of capital. As we know, building a sustainably successful business takes a total company effort and by applying this disciplined approach with our culture of collaboration and innovation, we are very optimistic that we will continue to deliver on both growth and attractive ROEs.

This is even more important during the current period of heightened uncertainties in the macro environment. Our disciplined proactive business approach and acceleration of the creation re flywheel means RJ continues to be nimble and we are well positioned to take advantage of the new opportunities and that often arise during uncertain times. Thus, it is without doubt that I remain fully confident that the best is yet to come.

I will now turn it over to our CFO Axel Andre to discuss the financial results in more detail.

Axel Andre — Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Tony RGA reported pre tax adjusted operating income of $485 million for the quarter of $5.66 per share after tax for the trading 12 months. Adjusted operating return on equity excluding notable items was 15%. We delivered strong overall results for the quarter. We deployed $418 million into in force transactions, have excess capital of $1.9 billion before the equitable transaction and our deployable capital is an estimated $1.3 billion at the end of the quarter. The economic impact in our biometric claims experience was favorable by $196 million and positive across all regions and the financial impact was favorable by $58 million.

Our non spread portfolio yield excluding variable Investment income was 4.9% in Q1, up 10 basis points from the fourth quarter. Variable investment income was below our expectation by approximately $30 million primarily due to lower mark to market adjustments on our limited partnerships and timing of real estate joint venture sales. The effective tax rate for the quarter was 21.9% on adjusted operating income before taxes below the expected range of 23 to 24%, primarily due to US tax benefits received from taxes paid in foreign jurisdictions. We are still expecting a tax rate of 23 to 24% for the remainder of the year.

New business was strong and contributed around $1.1 billion to the value of in force business margins. Consolidated net Premiums were up 13% year over year when adjusted for the impact from US PRT transactions, which can cause premiums to fluctuate. Our traditional business Premium growth was 11.2% for the quarter on a constant currency basis which benefited from strong growth in the US and Asia. Premiums are a good indicator of the ongoing strength of our traditional business and we continue to have strong momentum across our regions. Turning to biometric claims experience as outlined on slide 8 of our earnings presentation, this displays the total company claims experience and the related financial statement impact on a quarterly basis.

As mentioned earlier, claims experience was favorable in the quarterly results. Economic claims experience was favorable by $196 million with a corresponding $58 million favorable current period financial impact. The remaining favorable experience will be recognized in income over the life of the underlying business claims experience was particularly strong in the US primarily due to lower than expected large claims. It is also noteworthy that there was favorable economic experience in every geographic region. I’ll point out that some volatility on a quarterly basis, both positive and negative, is normal and does not necessarily indicate a material trend. Turning now to capital, Our excess capital is estimated to be approximately $1.9 billion at the end of Q1 2025 based on rolling forward our year end excess capital of $1.3 billion as previously disclosed and considering capital generation, capital deployed and debt financing activities during the quarter.

As a reminder, this is before taking into account the announced transaction with Equitable which is expected to close midyear 2025. Note that the excess capital considers our three main capital lenses corresponding to RGA’s internal economic capital model, local regulatory capital across all main legal entities and rating agency capital methodologies. Our Deployable capital at Q1 2025 is estimated to be $1.3 billion and represents management’s estimate of the capital available to be deployed into transactions or returned to shareholders over the next 12 months. Taking into account estimated capital sources and committed uses over that forward looking 12 month period including the impact of the equitable transaction.

We are always looking to efficiently manage risks and capital across our different frameworks. This includes utilizing tools such as third party capital, strategic retrocession, internal retrocession and recognition of the significant value of our in force business as demonstrated during the first quarter. This enabled us to efficiently fund the capital expected to be deployed into the Equitable transaction with a mix of excess capital and hybrid debt financing. Our strong balance sheet capital management toolkit and current levels of excess and deployable capital positions us well to continue to support an attractive new business pipeline across the various business segments.

Turning to the quarterly segment results on slide 6, the US and Latin America traditional results reflected favorable individual life claims experience driven by a lower than expected number of large claims. Other experience in the segment was in line with expectations. The U.S. financial Solutions results were at the low end of the expected range due to lower variable investment income of roughly $7 million. As a reminder, the Equitable transaction is expected to be recorded within this segment once closed. Assuming a midyear close, we expect pretax operating income contributions of approximately $70 million in 2025 and 160 to $170 million in 2026 as previously disclosed.

Canada traditional results reflected modestly unfavorable lapse experience partially offset by favorable claims experience. The Financial Solutions results reflected favorable longevity experience in the Europe, Middle east and Africa region. The traditional results reflected modestly favorable claims experience as well as favorable timing impact from the earnings recognition of an annual premium treaty. EMEF’s financial solutions results were above expectations reflecting favorable overall experience. Turning to our Asia Pacific region, the traditional results were good reflecting favorable overall experience and contributions from new business. Underlying claims experience was again favorable in the quarter. Financial Solutions results were slightly lower than expected primarily due to lower variable investment income of around $6 million.

We expect the segment the segment results to increase over the course of the year relative reflecting the earnings emergence from recent transactions and planned timing of new business. Finally, the corporate and other segment reported an adjusted operating loss before tax of $70 million, unfavorable compared to the expected quarterly average run rate. This was primarily due to lower than expected variable investment income of around $15 million and a few other smaller one time items. Overall, we are pleased with the results this quarter and we remain confident in our ability to deliver on our intermediate term financial targets.

Moving to investments on slides 9 through 12, the non spread book yield excluding variable investment income rose to 4.9% primarily due to higher new money rates which increased to 6.39% and remains well above the portfolio yield. The total non spread portfolio yield for the quarter was 4.64%, down slightly from last quarter reflecting lower variable investment income and a higher balance of cash and cash equivalents partially offset by higher new money rates. Variable investment income was modestly negative for the period and approximately $30 million below expectations driven by lower valuations on limited partnerships and timing of real estate joint venture sales.

I’ll note that we still hold an above average level of cash that we look to deploy opportunistically over the coming quarters. Importantly, portfolio quality remains high and credit impairments were again minimal and we believe the portfolio remains well positioned. During the quarter we continued our long term track record of increasing book value per share as shown on slide 16. Our book value per share excluding AOCI and impacts from B36 embedded derivatives increased to $154.60 which represents a compounded annual growth rate of 9.8% since the beginning of 2021. To summarize, a strong first quarter is a good start for the year following a record 2024.

We continue to see very good opportunities across our geographies and business lines. We are well positioned and remain appropriately capitalized to execute on our strategic plan. With that, I would like to thank everyone for your continued interest in rga. This concludes our prepared remarks. We would now like to open it up for questions.

Questions and Answers:

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Suneet Kamath

Great. Thank you. I was hoping you could help us. Understand the mortality experience, particularly in the U.S. obviously, we’ve seen the flu season data. We know that there was a single large case in the first quarter. We’re seeing it at other companies. Yet you’re showing very strong underwriting experience. And there’s a disconnect there that I’d like to try to understand. And if you can, comment. Thanks.

Axel Andre

Sure, I can get started on that. So we saw large positive experience in particular driven by lower than expected large claims in the US I want to remind you that some volatility on claims experience is expected both to the positive and the negative, excluding the large claims experience.

So for smaller claims experience, our overall US Mortality claims were slightly higher than expected, consistent with a flu season, an elevated flu season. In terms of obviously our process, we are, of course, very confident in our claims process. In fact, this quarter we perform extra due diligence to ensure that all claims are collected. As you can imagine, for large claims, there’s an extra incentive for cedents to notify us. And of course, we hear from companies from cedence whenever they experience large claims and ensure that we verify whether we see the similar data in our data.

Jonathan Porter

Yeah, and this is Jonathan, maybe just to add specifically on that large case you referenced that’s been mentioned on other calls, that experience is reflected in our Q1 results.

Suneet Kamath

Got it. Okay. All right. And then I guess the other question. I’ve been struggling with this since you announced the equitable deal for those of. Us that cover equitable. We look at that business and it’s, I think a fair way to describe it would be challenged. Then all of a sudden you take. It over and you’re able to turn it into 13 to 15% ROE business, per your comments about it being in line with your target. So I’m just trying to understand, how does that happen? Is there an expense piece or a. Capital piece or something? Because the earnings should be the same. I would think other than what you do on the investment portfolio. So how do you take this challenged business and make it a good return business?

Tony Cheng

Suneet, let me just kick it off strategically. I’m sure others have areas to involve. I mean, obviously, like I said in my comments or previous comments, I mean, the big block obviously is a big part of the transaction and we feel that’s totally priced appropriately. And then there are other components that made the transaction so strategically valuable for both parties and then adds to the value we create. Let me hand it over to Axel and Jonathan to provide any further comments on your question.

Axel Andre

So I think a few things just to remind you, when we announce a transaction, obviously this is a large block of business, mortality business. However, we’ve been in business for over 50 years and so when we look at our total mortality exposure across the globe, the impact of the transaction is to increase that exposure by about 5%. That’s point number one. Point number two. Like Tony said, we of course, when we execute a transaction, get to reprice the business. Fundamentally, we benefit from all of our experience, all of the treasure of data that we have available on that, and also the specific experience for that block of business that is part of the due diligence that we perform.

When we underwrite the block, we expect some volatility of claims on the business. But that is, we believe that is very manageable given our balance sheet and our expertise.

Tony Cheng

And I think, just to add further, I think the synergies you do highlight, I mean, whether it’s capital or whether it’s expense or whether it’s the asset side, I think they all play parts of it. It’s very hard for us to opine given we obviously don’t know exactly what. Ecuador used to do with this business. But for us, once again, it fits very well within our wheelhouse. It’s all risk and operations that we have established already to manage going forward. Very comfortable with the pricing as we. Look through it all.

operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Elise Greenspan from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Elyse Greenspan

Hi. Thanks. Good morning. My first question, I was hoping that you guys could just talk about just the current pipeline of transactions and where you guys are seeing the most opportunity.

Tony Cheng

Sure, happy to do that. Thank you for the question. Look, I think in our comments we’ve described it as attractive and I think it’s the appropriate word because we look at, when we think of attractive, the quantity is nice, but really our word is trying to characterize more the quality of the pipeline. Obviously, since the recently announced transactions and RJ’s brand and history. You know, we’ve been in the enviable position to work with many, many great companies. So you know, the way we describe the quality of the pipeline is really around, you know, who are the partners, you know, are they long term partners? Are they ideally sizable? But you know, as long as they’re really long term partnership mentality.

To answer your question on the breadth, I mean we run our business with a heavy focus in all the three major regions of emea, Asia and North America. And each of those pipelines are very robust and strong. So it’s across the board, breadth is great. And then the third element, as I’ve alluded to, is does it fit within our strategy? Our strategy is very simple. We call it creation reit, but really it’s a focus on getting not only repeat business, but repeat exclusive business. Because if we’re able to solve a client’s opportunity or problem, or hopefully even an industry opportunity or problem, then others will come to us to solve that same issue and then we can use our global network to just spread that around the world.

Because life insurance markets around the world seem different. But to be honest, the underlying drivers are very, very similar, the underlying needs. So our global platform allows us to. Really solve these across the board.

Elyse Greenspan

Thanks. And then my follow up in your prepared remarks you were talking about PRT and just there being an impact of some of the market uncertainty there. How do you expect, do you expect that? And I know you said it would be temporary. Do you see this as becoming an a greater opportunity later this year or just how do you see things playing out on the PRT side just given the volatility we’re dealing with right now?

Tony Cheng

Yeah, absolutely. This is, as you’ve suggested, a longer term story that’s already started. So. Absolutely. Do we believe that this is a temporary pause? Let’s say that there’s uncertainty in the macro environment in general. A lot of these, the biggest schemes would have been down this journey of de risking for many years already. So it’s not a question of stopping, it’s a question of really pausing it perhaps. But we’re very bullish on this. We’re looking at some other strategies also to highlight our strengths in other segments of the market that really have not paused at all.

That was part of our broader strategic direction anyway. So we’re very bullish about this market in the medium term and the longer term. And we do expect it to pick up in the second half of the year.

Elyse Greenspan

Thank you.

operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from John Barnich from Piper Sandlow. Please go ahead.

John Barnidge

Good morning. Thank you. For the opportunity with portfolio investing ahead for that elevated cash balance. Can you talk about how those new. Money rates maybe have trended so far in the second quarter for you? Thank you.

Leslie Barbi

Hey John, this is Leslie Barbee. Thanks for the question. Yeah, so as you know, there’s been a lot of movement up and down, but really the rates currently are similar to the first quarter. I guess only time will tell if that plays out. But you know, yields came down but spreads widened. So there’s still a good opportunity set to put that cash to work.

John Barnidge

My follow up question, sticking with the portfolio you talked about increased private asset sourcing, has that also continued to be favorable as well? Thank you.

Leslie Barbi

Thanks. Yes. So we have a very broad platform across many public and private asset types and we’ve been building that private asset capability for over 20 years and we had attractive opportunities in the first quarter and I’ll just note that those are also a good match for our stable liabilities and given the portfolio growth overall, we had some room to invest. I think your question also got to the fact that with market volatility, issuance had paused in public markets and maybe slower in privates. It’s certainly coming back in public and we still had a good pipeline in place for private.

So I still think there’ll be a good set of opportunities. Although, you know, if volatility continues, it may be somewhat slower.

operator

Thanks. The next question comes from the line of Jimmy Buller, please go ahead.

Jamminder Bhullar

Hey, good morning. So first I had a question for Tony just on if you could just talk about competition across your various businesses. Many of your competitors are PNC companies which or have PNC reinsurance businesses as well. And it seems like the market’s a little softer there. When it was hardening a lot. There were comments from RGA that that might actually improve things in Life. Reinsurance as well as some of those companies would be focusing more on the PNC side of their business. Are you seeing the reverse of that now and how are competitive conditions across various markets given that dynamic? And also the fact that in some. Of the product lines you’re seeing a. Lot more activity by some of the PE backed companies.

Tony Cheng

Sure. Thanks Jimmy, for the question. I guess I’ll kick it off with the obvious which is our focus and strategy is this creation really. So we honestly look at our competition, observe what they do and any great things they’re doing that are successful we obviously consider, but our focus is really not to compete. But I’ve sort of Shared with you that view in the past. To answer your question more directly, I think around the fringes, you could say it’s always hard. And I think the different property and casualty companies may act differently depending on a softening and hardening market.

So I don’t think it’s particularly conclusive as to how the PNC market’s hardness or softness impacts their attitudes necessarily to life and health. What I would say is what it does show is we are consistently in the market. We’re not in and out or even having any view towards that or any consideration because that’s all we do is life and health. And that means we can just consistently build our platform such that right at this point, the competition intensity, whether it’s with the traditional business, which is more the PNC felt before, we don’t feel it’s particularly overwhelming level of competition.

Jamminder Bhullar

Just wanted to let you know, I think there’s some issue with the call because your comments were paused for a few minutes. I don’t know. Can you hear me okay?

Tony Cheng

All right. Okay. Can I try it now?

Jamminder Bhullar

Sure, go ahead.

Tony Cheng

All right. Okay. So, I mean, Jimmy, to answer your question, like I said, look, our focus really is not to compete. That’s the creation refocus, the fact that we can continuously stay in the life and health market. Given that’s all we do in reinsurance, we don’t believe the level or intensity of competition has increased materially or noticeably with regards to the blocks or all the traditional business that we see from the more PNC orientated reinsurers. The hardness or the softness of the market, if it impacts their attitude towards life and health, it really is around the fringes. We continue to just strengthen our platform. We believe that we’re in a very, very strong position. That’s why we’re so optimistic about our future.

Jamminder Bhullar

Okay, and then just on another one, on the equitable transaction, along the lines of the question previously, they’re basically losing around $100 million of income per year. And you, you’ve said that you could pick up close to 200 million eventually from that block. And I think a big chunk of that is just you guys repositioning the portfolio. So since Leslie’s on the call, what is it actually that you’re doing with the portfolio that’s different than how they’ve invested it? Because I think there’s a lot of confusion in the market about how one company is losing a lot less business than the other ones picking up from the same block. So…

Leslie Barbi

Well, I know Others will want to jump in. It’s not all asset portfolio and we’re sticking to our discipline. There’ll be a reasonable amount of risk and there’ll also be some of the assets still managed by Alliance Bernstein. But at the crux of it, where we will be adding value, we do have quite a broad platform, including a broad private asset platform. So that is where some of the value is coming in, but it’s not the entire value for the transaction.

Axel Andre

And Leslie, I would just add, I mean of course the expense footprint is of course going to be very different from Equitable versus us. That of course could explain some of that difference. And then the very last piece would be the accounting. The underlying accounting for that block of business as a reinsurer also looks different to the way that the. It’s more of an emergence point, an earnings emergence point rather than the of course underlying economics. But all of these factors probably play in.

Jamminder Bhullar

Thank you.

operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Wes Carmichael from Autonomous Research. Please go ahead.

Wesley Carmichael

Hey, good morning. I wanted to follow up on the point on equitable in the accounting. And I think there’s probably good reason to think that that might exhibit less volatility. Is that because when you reprice the business and it changes hands, I think the way I understand it is with LDTI accounting, the net premium ratio may be reset and then you have less of the capped cohort volatility coming through. Is that basically the dynamic? Do I have that right?

Axel Andre

Thank you, Wes for the question. So just to clarify, there’s some parts of the business may be subject to ldti, but a big part of it will not be subject to ldti.

So that’s not certainly the driver. I think there could be some smoothing of, of claims experience through reinsurance accounting. It’s not directly related to ldti, but it’s kind of something like that, essentially something along those lines.

Wesley Carmichael

Okay, thanks. And I guess we saw a pretty material long term care reinsurance transaction since the last call. And I believe our European reinsurer took the morbidity risk with an Olds backed reinsurer taking the assets. Does RGA have appetite for structures like that? Because LTC is obviously a gigantic liability set for this, the industry and the potential opportunity.

Tony Cheng

Thanks Wes, for the question. Let me take that. Look, our attitude to long term care is very clear, number one, obviously given our market position. We do see, I would believe every opportunity that arises in the market. So that’s point number one. But point number two, as I emphasize real critical one of the, if not the Most important reasons for our success is our. So I think I’ve shared sort of five criteria, at least that we look at with regards to long term care blocks. The first one would be is it a strategically important or valued or long term partner? So that’s point number one.

Point number two would be the risk return, trade off within the block, but also being, you know, being paid appropriately for any risk that we take, obviously. Point number three, does any other blocks of business, non long term care, come along with the transaction? Point number four is really critical. Look, we have done long term care for a number of years. We’ve got a very modest sized block, but it’s within, you know, it’s the newer type of business because that’s the business that we have the risk tolerance for. We stayed out of the market for many years until the products moved that way.

And that’s the only time that we started entering the market many years ago. So the fourth element of it all is the risk tolerance. And then the final is the size. Yes, we like diversification, but the size of the long term care block, I characterize it as new blocks that if and when we do potentially take it with those other criteria, you know, would be modest in size. So hopefully that gives you a bit of clarity. You know, the one that crossed the wires recently, we obviously did not have. A share of that block of business.

Wesley Carmichael

Thanks, Eric.

operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Ryan Krueger from kbw. Please go ahead.

Ryan Krueger

Hey, thanks. Good morning. In the deployable capital disclosures, it looks like the capital sources increased at least a few hundred million from what you had laid out in the equitable transaction slides. Can you give some more color on what drove that higher?

Axel Andre

Yeah. Hi, Ryan, thanks for the question. So just first to take a step back, we updated both metrics this quarter, excess capital and deployable capital. I want to give some clarity why we’re doing that. We think really of these two metrics as kind of serving two different purposes. Excess capital is kind of the defensive metric point in time, strength of the balance sheet, resilience under stress, et cetera. Deployable capital then looks forward, of course, starting from excess capital and taking into account how much capital are we organically generating over the next 12 months, sources of capital, third party capital, and what committed uses do we have against that? That gives us the idea of, okay, how much can we deploy over the next 12 months into a pipeline of opportunities.

So on Slide 15, we have a reconciliation. You’re correct to pick up that the capital sources and uses is a Little bit bigger than what we had in the equitable disclosure. That’s really a reflection of two things as you roll forward. We’re now picking up over the next 12 months, we’re picking up Q1 26 and we dropped off Q1 25. So given our momentum, business momentum and our earnings growth, we’re picking up that incremental earnings. And then the rest is really kind of model updates, if you will, refinement of our projections, which will be part of our updates on this.

Ryan Krueger

Thanks. And then I think the value of in force is one thing you’ve been working to get included with rating agencies for capital sources in the future. Is there a material amount that is. Currently included for that or. And how has the progress been with. Talking to this with the rating agencies?

Axel Andre

Yes. So thanks for that. The value of enforce is an important concept because as you know, depending on the framework, it is recognized or it’s not recognized. And we have a substantial value of enforce as measured, for example by our value of enforced business margins. We have a track record of actually execution of securitization of value of enforced blocks. So we can really demonstrate that there’s actual analysis that backs it. But ultimately we can get a third party to lend us money against it, for example, or take a piece of it. So that’s very important because that’s really a validator of what we see and from a rating agency perspective that enables rating agencies to use that.

So we actually have that already on the portion of our business. And then what we’re doing is really just maintaining our dialogue with rating agencies to continue to increase that portion that is recognized within the frameworks. And so we’re working on that. It’s part of the actions that we’re constantly pursuing in terms of improving our capital position. And so at the appropriate time we’ll update you if there’s a significant change there.

Ryan Krueger

Great, thank you.

operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Tom Gallagher from Evercore. Please go ahead.

Thomas Gallagher

Morning. Just a couple of quick ones. First, you said you booked part of that industry syndicated contract, the 200 million large claim. How much was your share of that? And then secondly, can you unpack some of the underlying experience in us tread between mortality, long term care, any other risks like medical stop loss, just a little bit behind the scenes, how things trended?

Axel Andre

Thanks, Jonathan. You want to take that?

Jonathan Porter

Yeah, thanks, Axel. Tom, we’re not going to give out so specifics on the claim. Again, I’ll just reiterate that the full impact of that syndicated claim that you talked about was recognized in our Q1 statement. So it’s already been recorded. With respect to the experience within the traditional business, as Axel’s already mentioned, really the key driver is the large claims favorability in the US Individual line. There were some other pluses and minuses across Latin America group and US or individual health, but they were all relatively small.

Thomas Gallagher

Okay, okay, thanks. And then…

Tony Cheng

Sorry, Tom. On the long term care, I mean broadly. Yeah, we didn’t see anything. I mean that was just normal on track experience.

Thomas Gallagher

Gotcha. Thanks, Tony. One other one for you. On the equitable transaction, Axel, you had mentioned the majority of that book is not captured under ldti and the majority of your business is. So I presume that means on a proportionate basis that’s going to increase your earnings volatility somewhat. And I know equitables had a pretty high level of earnings volatility in that block. How much of a consideration was that for you? Or did you kind of ignore the earnings volatility and just focus more on the economic returns?

Axel Andre

Let me get started on that. So look, Tommy, of course, as I said, we reprice the transaction, so that’s absolutely critical.

Repricing means, of course we assess the underlying economic risks, but of course the earnings signature and the accounting impact, including not just base case, but stress analysis and evaluation of the potential volatility. Ultimately, like I said, the overall mortality risk was increased by about 5%. Even if the accounting may be more volatile. For example, our balance sheet is very large and our sources of earnings perfectly can accommodate that level of volatility. So not really a concern. Something that we entered into with open eyes and, you know, not particularly worried about it.

Tony Cheng

I don’t know. If you’ve got further to add. Go ahead.

Jonathan Porter

Yeah, sorry. Maybe just one more thing to add on to that. You know, when you think about, you know, the equitable block being added into our existing book of mortality business, we do get a diversification, a broader diversification benefit across the whole book, which will help from a relative volatility perspective.

Thomas Gallagher

Okay, thanks.

operator

Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Joel Horwitz from Dowling Partners. Please go ahead.

Joel Hurwitz

Hey, good morning. So first wanted to touch on variable investment income. And can you just walk through what’s sort of embedded in your operating earnings targets and did the earnings targets outlined last quarter assume 6% return or your long term 10 to 12 and then just. I think some of your alternative income flows through operating and some flows through net. Can you just provide some color on what pieces flow to operating versus net Income.

Axel Andre

Sure. Thank you for the question, Joe. So to start with, in the targets that we put out recently that start from the 2025 run rate, the VII expectation that’s built in there is a 6% return.

So that is of course, course it reflected what we understood of the market environment, our expectation about realizations on LPs and of course the real estate joint venture sales. And that 6% relative to what our long term return of 10 to 12% would be like we said when we look forward from here for the next 12 months and looking forward, a 6% return for that VII is our expectation, continues to be our expectation. And then lastly, in terms of the accounting, it’s really to do with a portion of the limited partnerships are accounted such that the unrealized portion of it would be below the line non operating.

But I want to make it clear that when there’s a realization, all realizations flow through operating income. So ultimately all of the ultimate return will flow through operating income.

Joel Hurwitz

Okay, very helpful. And then Tony, I know you said. In your prepared remarks that in force actions were modest in the quarter, but you sounded pretty positive on a number of initiatives. Could you just elaborate on some of these initiatives and how much of a potential benefit there could be?

Tony Cheng

Yeah, no, I mean it is just part of our business. So you know, and it’s an area, anything we explore then we’re interested and excited by. So you know, the team works on that and we’ve got teams dedicated on that and purely to enforce our rights in the treaty in a win win fashion. So yeah, I just want to highlight, as I’ve said previously, it is lumpy in nature, but we continue to explore it and would be hopeful. Some falls through by the end of the year, but it’s business as usual for us on that.

Joel Hurwitz

Okay, thank you.

operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Wilma Burgess from Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Wilma Burdis

Could you just give us an update on your outlook for mortality? Now seems like one thing I’ve been hearing is that it’s a little bit better at younger ages below 90 or so and then at older ages a little bit worse than pre Covid. And then are you seeing any changes with GLP1s or others now that we have a little bit more experience? Thanks.

Jonathan Porter

Hi Ed, this is Jonathan. Yeah, certainly we’re encouraged by what we’re seeing in the general population. So if you look at 2024 experience as reported by the CDC, excess mortality was down to about 1% in the US relative to about 3.5% excess in 2023. That’s across all ages. So that’s a positive trend. That’s good to see coming out of COVID Specifically on GLP1s. I think we continue to be very encouraged by the potential benefits given data that is emerging and anticipation of improvements in both effectiveness and accessibility. So recently there was just a news article about an oral version of GLP1 drugs that could further enhance that accessibility and take up rates as an example.

We continue to devote significant resources for ongoing analysis and looking at data and clinical literature and our expectation would be to incorporate any of those impacts into our assumptions when appropriate. But at this point we have not. Explicitly reflected those impacts.

Wilma Burdis

Thank you. And on the echo, could you just give us a little bit more detail on the ability to reprice and how that changes and maybe how much you would think about.

operator

I’m really sorry to interrupt. Wilma, we are not getting audio correctly from your end. It was breaking. Your line was breaking. If you can repeat the question.

Wilma Burdis

Oh yeah, sure. On the equitable block, could you give us more detail on the ability to reprice and how that changes post acquisition?

Axel Andre

Thanks. Thank you Wilma for the question.

Tony Cheng

Yeah, I mean, well, I mean definitely on the reprices what we’re referring to there is predominantly the initial reprice. So obviously these blocks of business was written by Equitable in the past. We get to do a fresh look and use our pricing assumptions as we price the transaction. Obviously when we do that, we look at their data. We also look at our data and there’s many actuarial techniques to co mingle the data and work out what we think is the right price. Not only in the short term, but don’t forget these are longer term businesses that, you know, we have to make assumptions for the future. But that’s really the bread and butter business that we’ve been doing for over 50 years now and doing very well.

Wilma Burdis

Thank you.

operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Mike Ward from ubs. Please go ahead.

Michael Ward

Thanks. Good morning. I was just wondering on the new business pipeline that you guys do see, is there any areas where you see more or less opportunity and did the, does the equitable deal sort of like ratchet you up on the US side so we should expect more deals on the international side or is that do not sort of set that framework?

Tony Cheng

Thanks for the question, Mike. Yeah, sort of repeating a bit. I mean it really is across the board that the three regions are just each and every one of them strong. So different size type transactions as I mentioned in Asia and Even in emea, there’s probably more regular flow of not only the new business, sort of traditional business, but even the blocks more modest in size. But we just leverage off the fact that we have these incredibly strong local partnerships in the US Obviously the equitable transaction is strategically significant for the market. So we’ve had a lot of inquiries and talking to clients potentially about how we can also assist them strategically fulfilling those endeavors.

These things take time. The equitable transaction was a particularly sizable one. So once again in the US we’re very excited also about the pipeline there and all three very strong and all three learn from each other. So there’s no reason why some of the things we’ve done in the US or in Asia are not absolutely being transplanted into the other regions. Because that’s what we do is make sure our global platform is very well connected strategically and find those new solutions that work for those different markets.

Michael Ward

Thank you, Tony. And then just back to the sources of capital. I’m curious, how active is the third party capital, I guess pipeline and your ability to establish more Ruby Re? And then just confirming the slide Deck mentioned potential capital markets issuances, but just wanted to confirm that common equity is low on the totem pole in terms of capital sources.

Axel Andre

Great, thank you for the question. So let me start with sidecar. So Ruby Re, we’re of course very focused on fulfilling our commitment to those investors. We didn’t see business in the first quarter that’s really waiting for year end financial, year end statutory financials to be available, but we’re constantly working on that and we expect again we continue to be optimistic that the majority of that capital will be deployed by the end of the year.

And so that enables us to really build upon that. It’s a nice track record, it’s a nice supplement to our own capital in enabling us to achieve the global pipeline of opportunities that we have. And so certainly we’re interested in continuing to build on that track record. In terms of the footnote that kind of describes sources of capital, potential capital issuance, that’s a catch all. It’s not kind of signaling anything specific and imminent. And to your point on common equity, it’s one of the things that we look at and of course it requires a high hurdle rate for, for it to make sense.

Michael Ward

Thank you, Axel.

operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Bob Huang from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Bob Huang

Hi, good morning. I know we’re out of time, so I’ll keep it to one question. Maybe if you can give us a little bit More color on the Japan reinsurance opportunities. I know you touched on it in your prepared remarks. It feels not just like a new opportunity for you but a broader set of opportunities for the industry. And the addressable market seems to be very large. Can you maybe one, talk about that opportunity but also two, talk about just a competitive environment from that area?

Tony Cheng

Sure. No, happy to. The way things work in Japan is number one. Yes, it’s very exciting. Number two, I think we believe we’re still relatively early in the cycle. I mean the Japanese clients don’t tend to do everything at once. Right. They’ll do many, many tranches of business. One client we’ve done numerous tranches with over numerous years. So every year it’s sort of one more tranche. So that’s point number one. Point number two, in terms of competitiveness, we don’t go after everything. I mean there is a particularly material asset only type market there with very little what we call biometric risk.

And we don’t particularly pursue that. We don’t think we would be particularly competitive in that. So where we really focus is our sweet spot, which is those asset transactions with very long term loyal clients that may be more modest in size but they’re more bilateral in nature and they have that biometric risk that helps us distinguish ourselves. So they’re very exciting market. It does take time to play out and it also takes some after sales service. You know, there’s one thing doing the transaction, we all get excited by that. But we’ve got over, I believe over 100 people based in Tokyo now that would also assist in the after sale service in the local language with long term relationships there.

So we really do believe that’s a critical edge, medium longer term as these transactions firstly get consummated and secondly get managed over decades. That’s what it’s going to take to be sustainably successful in this business.

Bob Huang

Excellent. Really appreciate it. Thank you.

operator

Thank you. Okay. Yes. This concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Tony Chang for closing remarks.

Tony Cheng

Well, thank you all very much for your questions and your very strong interest and continued interest in ij. This was a very good quarter and the start of what we believe will be a great year, further demonstrating our very strong and continued momentum and substantial earnings power. So have a great day and we look forward to talking to you next time. Bye bye.

operator

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