W.W. Grainger, Inc (NYSE: GWW) Q4 2025 Earnings Call dated Feb. 03, 2026
Corporate Participants:
Kyle Bland — Vice President, Investor Relations
D.G. Macpherson — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Deidra C. Merriwether — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Analysts:
David Manthey — Analyst
Jacob Levinson — Analyst
Ryan Merkel — Analyst
Christopher Glynn — Analyst
Tommy Moll — Analyst
Chris Dankert — Analyst
Stephen Volkmann — Analyst
Guy Hardwick — Analyst
Christopher Snyder — Analyst
Connor Cerniglia — Analyst
Presentation:
operator
Sa. Greetings and welcome to the W.W. grainger fourth quarter 2025 earnings conference call and webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. You may be placed in the question queue at any time by pressing Star1 on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. If anyone should require operator assistance, please press Star zero. It’s now my pleasure to introduce your host, Kyle Bland, Vice President of Investor Relations. Kyle, please go ahead.
Kyle Bland — Vice President, Investor Relations
Good morning. Welcome to Grainger’s fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings call. With me are DJ McPherson, Chairman and CEO, and Dee Meriwether, Senior Vice President and cfo. As a reminder, some of our comments today may include forward looking statements that are subject to various risks and uncertainties. Additional information regarding factors that could cause actual results to differ materially is included in the company’s most recent Form 8K and other periodic reports filed with the SEC. This morning’s call includes non GAAP financial measures which reflect certain adjustments in previous periods. As noted in the presentation, there were no adjusting items in the fourth quarter 2025 period.
We have also included organic revenue adjustments in the presentation which normalize sales growth to reflect our exit from the UK market, including the Cromwell divestiture and the closure of Zorro UK Definitions and full reconciliations of our non GAAP financial measures with their corresponding GAAP measures are found in the tables at the end of this presentation and in our earnings release, both of which are available on our IR website. We will also share results related to Monitaro. Please remember that Monitaro is a public company and follows Japanese GAAP which differs from US GAAP and is reported in our results one month in arrears.
As a result, the numbers discussed will differ from Monantaro’s public statements. Now I’ll turn it over to dg.
D.G. Macpherson — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Thanks Kyle Good morning everyone and thank you for joining. Despite the macroeconomic uncertainty and challenging environment in 2025, the Grainger team continued to execute against our strategy, delivering exceptional service and a best in class experience for our customers. During 2025 we made strong progress. We leveraged our technology capabilities and moral know how to strengthen our competitive advantage in each segment. We streamlined our portfolio by exiting the UK market, We invested in new supply chain capacity to extend our service leadership. We lived a greater edge each day to foster a workplace environment where team members can build a rewarding career and we delivered on our financial commitments for the year.
Overall, this progress positions us well as we move into 2026. Before I dive into these 2025 accomplishments in more detail, I thought it would be helpful to reiterate our go to market strategy and how each of our operating models addresses the needs of MRO customers, providing a flawless experience and delivering tangible value. This context is important as it drives most of the incremental investment we are making across the business and prioritizes the work our team does every day. Over the last several years, we have invested heavily to build market leading data and technology capabilities. This includes core product and customer information assets which have taken on even greater importance as AI accelerates and creates new opportunities to unlock additional value.
These data assets underpin our five strategic growth engines and fuel our ability to gain share within our High Touch solutions segment. In 2025, we made great progress across these five areas. In merchandising, we have consistently gained share through this important initiative and focus on building a highly curated product assortment. This includes continued work across our category review process and expanded use of the Grainger brand name within our private label offer. Our category reviews focus on improving product search, organization and content and have more recently had an increasing emphasis on new product introductions including expansion into new categories.
Recent examples include efforts to build out a relevant offer to support data center customers as well as an expanded breadth of factory automation products such as sensors, machine controls and actuators. In total, our merchandising efforts in 2025 resulted in net assortment growth of over 85,000 SKUs, our largest net SKU growth for the High Touch segment in nearly a decade. In marketing, the team remains focused on delivering strong returns while also finding ways to improve program effectiveness to deliver better outcomes for the dollars we’re spending. During 2025, we found new and creative ways to further leverage our advantaged information assets to increase personalization and improve our marketing investment strategy.
On the latter, we are leveraging our know how and machine learning to optimize investment at the SKU level based on our knowledge of relative pricing, product availability and and customer lifetime value. The success we continue to see across this space supports further incremental investment in 2026 and beyond. Pivoting to our seller coverage initiative, we continue to leverage our improved customer data to expand our sales force with a focus on underserved business locations. After slowing our pace and adjusting our approach with this initiative in 2023 and 2024, we added around 110 new sellers across two geographies in 2025.
This brings our total program expansion to over 300 sellers across six geographies since 2022 more than 10% increase in our U S based sales team. The collective performance to date of these geographies has been in line with expectations and we have plan to address two more regions in 2026. Our sellers are crucial to providing value for our customers and generating demand and we remain committed to investing in tools and resources to increase their effectiveness. In 2025, we saw strong usage of our new Seller Insights platform. As you may recall, this platform integrates with existing Granger data sources to provide sellers with a one stop shop for customer insights.
In 2026, we’ll leverage AI on this platform to deliver actionable insights, identify new customer contacts and strengthen leader coaching opportunities. We’re just scratching the surface of our potential in this area and we’re excited about the path ahead. Lastly, we continue to see increased demand for value added services as labor scarcity and cost savings initiatives become customer imperatives in keepstock. Specifically, this has resulted in new customer installations, product category expansions driving further embeddedness and deeper share of wallet. Additionally, the keepstock team made progress over the past year further developing customer facing tools and we anticipate a broader rollout of these new capabilities to begin in 2026.
These tools provide customers access to enhanced data and insights aimed at improving their user experience and driving procurement cost savings. While it’s already a critical part of our offer, we expect keepstock to become even more valuable going forward. We’re excited about the progress we’ve made across these five strategic growth engines and remain confident in our ability to drive share gain as we execute against these important initiatives. Now, given the critical role that technology is playing in our space, I thought it would be helpful to provide a few use cases of how we are leveraging AI and machine learning across the business.
While the ramp curves differ by initiatives, as these efforts mature, they can help increase productivity, enhance service, and create revenue opportunities over time. We have broad experience AI and machine learning and when underpinned by our differentiated data assets, we can create tremendous value. I’ve already touched on how machine learning is optimizing our marketing investment strategy and how AI is helping us improve seller effectiveness. On the slide, you can see several other areas of the business where these new technologies are fueling advancements. The point here is to show how prevalent these powerful tools have become and to highlight how we can leverage our data assets to create solutions that add real value to our customers or to our bottom line.
We’ve learned a great deal in the past two years about AI and feel well positioned to accelerate these efforts moving forward. Moving to Endless Assortment segment We made great progress propelling both businesses forward in 2025. At Zoro, the team has regained its growth momentum, focusing on driving improved repeat purchase rates through an enhanced customer experience. Their progress during the year included optimizing the assortment to improve delivery times, launching Zorro branded private label products, improving the quality of customer acquisitions to enable better repeat rates, enhancing direct marketing capabilities through better analytics, and improving the customer experience through more accurate delivery communication.
These actions help reaccelerate sales growth back into the high teens for the full year. At Monotaro, the team continues to execute well, driving strong results including 25% growth with enterprise customers. They continue to improve and expand their distribution capabilities by extending the reach of same day shipping to regions beyond Tokyo and Osaka while also planning for the future with the groundbreaking of the new Mito DC outside Tokyo. Similar to High Touch, we have also progressed our AI and ML capabilities across both EA businesses. It’s still early innings, but we are using these technologies to drive productivity and accelerate our momentum across the flywheel and we have included a few examples on the slide.
All told, we deliver great results across analyst assortment segment in 2025 and are positioned well to continue this momentum into the new year. Turning to Slide nine, I’m very pleased with the continued progress we’re making across our distribution network as we stay focused on extending our industry leading ability to to deliver next day complete orders to customers across both segments. Notably, we made meaningful progress on three new facilities across the US And Japan. The Northwest dc, which is located outside of Portland, is set to start full outbound operations later this year. This building will improve our service and reduce transportation costs throughout the Northwest.
We also continue to make great progress with our Houston distribution Center and expect inbound operations to begin in the second half of 2027 withoutbound falling a few quarters later. In Japan, Monetaro is making great progress on their new highly automated DC and MITO scheduled to open in 2028. This facility, when complete, will nearly double the shipping capacity that Monotaro has in the country. Outside of new capacity investments, the supply chain team has also worked hard to leverage inventory and transportation solutions to improve service in certain markets including Florida and Canada. Overall, we continue to invest across our supply chain to make sure that we maintain and extend our leading position in customer fulfillment.
The heart of our organization remains our people who work hard every day to fulfill our purpose to keep the world working. As you can see on slide 10, our culture was again recognized externally during 2025. We were recertified as a great place to work in the us, Canada and Mexico, affirming our commitment to being an employer of choice in a place where every team member feels valued and empowered. We were honored for the first time as one of the world’s most ethical companies, named once again as one of the Fortune’s Most Admired Companies and recognized by Glassdoor as the best place to work.
These recognitions are a testament to the culture we’ve built over almost a century in this industry. Bridge will always be a place where every team member can have a fulfilling, meaningful career if they are willing to work hard to serve our customers now turning to our full year financials, 2025 certainly had a share of challenges between shifting tariff dynamics, soft MRO market demand and the government shutdown. Despite these challenging macro headwinds, we still deliver total company sales growth of 4.5% on a reported basis or 4.9% on a daily organic constant currency basis with total sales finishing the year at $17.9 billion.
Growth for the year included continued share gain from our High Touch Solutions US business, which finished the year with roughly 250 basis points of outgrowth. On a volume basis in endless assortment, the segment showed significant top line improvement with daily organic constant currency sales up 15.6%. Both soro and Monotaro continued continue to win with their core B2B customer base and drive improved repeat purchase rates, positioning them well for the future. Alongside the solid top line, the team also did a nice job managing strong margins despite headwinds with operating margin finishing at 15% for the year, we delivered adjusted EPS growth of 1.3% or $39.48 per share.
ROIC finished at 39.1% and operating cash flow was $2 billion, which allowed us to return $1.5 million to Grainger shareholders through dividends and share repurchases. Overall, I’m proud of what we accomplished in 2025. We continue to focus on improving in core areas of the business to perform well over the long term. With that, I will turn it over to Dee to review our fourth quarter results.
Deidra C. Merriwether — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Thanks DG. I want to echo DG’s sentiment on our 2025 performance. Not only did we make progress on a number of strategic initiatives, but the team was also able to drive top and bottom line results within the original 2025 outlook we provided a year ago, a strong outcome despite the challenging macro environment we faced. Now turning to our fourth quarter results, we had another solid quarter to finish the year with results roughly in line with expectations for the total company. Daily sales grew 4.5% or 4.6% on a daily organic constant currency basis which included growth in both segments.
Sales were healthy in the period despite softness during the start of the quarter from the government shutdown and the lapping of a prior year hurricane related sales benefit. If you were to normalize these events, sales for the total company would have been up approximately 6.5% for the quarter on a daily organic constant currency basis. Total company growth margins for the quarter were strong ending at 39.5% down about 10 basis points over the prior year period driven by segment mix headwinds from faster growing endless assortment. Operating margins were down 70 basis points year over year due to increased SG and a expense which came in higher than expected in the period due to unforeseen healthcare costs above our normal run rate and a softer top line in the High Touch Solutions segment.
Overall, we delivered diluted EPS for the quarter of $9.44 which was down 2.8% versus the fourth quarter of 2024 but above the midpoint of our implied fourth quarter guide. Moving to segment level results, the High Touch Solutions segment delivered sales growth of 2.2% on a reported basis or 2.1% on a daily constant currency basis. Results included nearly three points of price inflation for this segment showing meaningful sequential improvement as tariff costs continue to be passed. From an end market perspective, our indicators suggest the MRO market gained momentum sequentially but remained muted in the period for Grainger.
Specifically, we saw strong performance with contractor and manufacturing customers which helped to offset slower growth in other areas of the business including year over year softness in the government end market. If you were to normalize government sales for the impact of the shutdown and the prior year hurricane related sales benefit, sales for the High Touch segment would have been up roughly 4.5% for the quarter on a daily constant currency basis. On profitability, gross margin finished the quarter at 42.3% flat versus the prior year. We continue to see tariff related inflation which caused further LIFO inventory valuation headwinds.
Although the magnitude of these charges came in favorable to our expectations, these charges were offset by positive mix and a number of other smaller tailwinds. Price cost on a LIFO basis remained negative but improved in the quarter as our pricing actions took hold. Similar to last quarter. If we excluded the LIFO headwind and we wanted to compare ourselves to our peer set which report on fifo, our implied FIFO gross margin rate would have increased year over year with price costs roughly neutral on this basis on SGA margin delevered in the period as payroll and higher than expected health care costs along with continued marketing investment were only partially offset by productivity.
We also saw a softer top line in the period due to the impact of the government shutdown which further weighed on margins. Taking all this together, operating margin for the Segment finished at 15.8%, down 120 basis points versus the prior year quarter before moving on, I want to share a brief update on where we are with tariffs in the fourth quarter. We remain engaged in active dialogue with our supplier partners and took modest price increases in November to help offset continued cost pressure. These actions were on top of the price increases in May and September when we began to pass through tariff related costs.
In January of this year, we passed further price in response to previously delayed tariff inflation and to offset annually negotiated cost increases with our suppliers which were largely in effect as of February 1st. These actions are net of a partial rollback on certain Chinese tariffs announced at the end of last year. As we look ahead, we passed the majority of known tariff related costs to date, but the situation still remains fluid. Importantly, our team is staying agile and we remain confident in our ability to adhere to our core tenants to reach price cost neutrality over time while maintaining competitive pricing.
Turning to slide 16, we wanted to share an update on our volume outgrowth for the hitouch US Business. When we last spoke about outgrowth in detail, it was during the first quarter of 2025 as we observed a meaningful inflection in the underlying single factor IP benchmark that we use to measure MRO market volume. This inflection was misaligned with what we’re seeing on the ground with our MRO customers and likely caused by shifting macroeconomic dynamics. These dynamics are driving bifurcation across industries where tariffs are impacting demand in some industries while others are experiencing a tailwind, notably those tied to aircraft manufacturing and data center build outs.
As we’ve been discussing over the past few years, we built a separate market model back in late 2023 after a sustained period of dislocation between what we were hearing from customers and what the single factor model was implying about market volume growth. This multi factor model was developed after testing over 1,000 publicly available economic indicators to find the best combination of explanatory factors with a high correlation to underlying U.S. economic census data for MRO products. Specifically, the model pulls in several different supply and demand factors including net core capital goods shipments, import export dynamics and end user activity.
To formulate a comprehensive view of the MRO landscape when comparing the two model inputs side by side. While neither model mirrors the exact weight of Grainger’s customer end market, the multi factor model does capture a broader base of end market activities outside of manufacturing while also eliminating non MRO product categories. Further, the multi factor model captures a more dynamic view of the economy, relevant trade flows, and shows a stronger correlation to underlying MRO product consumption data. And while the inner workings of the multi factor model are less accessible externally and no model is perfect, the comprehensive nature of the model would suggest it more accurately reflects the performance of our market, specifically in periods of economic disruption or change.
With this context in mind, if you turn to slide 17, we charted the historical results for both models, starting with the point at which economic inputs were first published for the multi factor model. As you can see, the two models are highly correlated and over this 20 plus year period the average annual growth rate is nearly identical. However, the models do experience disconnects during periods of macroeconomic shifts. Typically when the multi factor model trails a single factor model or vice versa, it eventually catches up, but the duration of these dislocations is unpredictable. As you see, we’ve experienced a prolonged period of dislocation since the pandemic, including each model moving in opposite directions after new tariffs were enacted in early 2025.
It’s unclear to us how long this divergence will last. With this, given its comprehensive nature and the fact that we’ve studied each model exhaustively over the last couple years, we are more confident in the demand signals from the multi factor model and we’ll use it to measure our outgrowth progress going forward on this basis. Turning to Slide 18 and using our multi factor MRO model, we estimate that Grainger finished full year 2025 with rust, roughly 250 basis points of outgrowth on a volume basis as our high tech solutions US business grew volume by 1.4% compared to our multi factor MRO model which was down between 1.5 and 0.5% for the year, albeit short of our 400 to 500 basis point long term target.
We’re continuing to take healthy share. Marketing and merchandising remain our largest contributors to outgrowth and on a go forward basis we’re anticipating a more consistent impact from seller coverage and seller effectiveness as new geographies ramp and seller tools mature. Overall, we remain confident in our strategic growth engines and their ability to drive share over the long term and continue to target 400 to 500 basis points of average annual outgrowth over time. Now focusing on the endless assortment Segment sales increased 14.3% on a reported basis or 15.7% on a daily organic constant currency basis which normalizes for the FX headwinds realized in the period and the closure of our Zoro UK business.
Zorro US was up 16% while Monitaro achieved 18.4% growth in local days local constant currency. At a business level, Zoro continues this momentum driving strong growth from its core B2B customers along with improving customer retention rates. At Monetaro, sales remained strong with continued growth from enterprise customers coupled with solid acquisition and repeat purchase rates with small and midsize businesses. Additionally, Monotaro experienced increased web traffic stemming from a competitive cyber outage which provided a tailwind to sales in the period. On profitability, operating margins increased by 200 basis points to 10.6% with favorability across the segment. Monitoro margins remained strong at 13.6% up 100 basis points and Zoro margin improved to 6.3% of 260 basis points with both businesses benefiting from gross margin flow through and healthy top line leverage.
Overall, we’re proud of the exceptional performance throughout 2025 within the endless assortment segment and look to continue the momentum this year. Moving into our outlook for 2026 at the total company level we expect revenue to be between 18.7 and 19.1 billion driven by growth in both segments. This translates to daily organic constant currency sales between 6.5 and 9% which is a 230 basis points higher than reported sales growth at the midpoint after adjusting for FX headwinds and the impact of our exit from the UK market. Within our high Touch Solutions segment, we expect daily constant currency sales growth between 5 and 7.5%.
In the US we anticipate continued demand pressure as tariff related price increases weigh on market volumes and while we expect industry specific tailwinds in certain areas of the economy will persist, many of these green shoots are outside of core MRO product categories. With this while we acknowledge following interest rates and other macro factors could reverse the multi year volume contraction in our industry, we’re conservatively modeling the market to be down 1.5% to flat on share gain. We’re assuming outgrowth improves through the year as we ramp investment and gain traction with our growth drivers. We expect this will deliver outgrowth growth at or below our long term target range in 2026.
Lastly, we expect meaningful price contribution to revenue which includes the wrap of 2025 actions and incremental price this year to fully catch up on the costs we’re seeing from suppliers. This price contribution factors into the partial rollback on certain Chinese tariffs announced in November of last year, but excludes any impact from future unknown tariffs or rollbacks that may or may not occur in 2026. In the endless assortment segment we anticipate daily organic constant currency sales to grow between 12.5 and 15% and the range of their long term framework. This segment level growth will be roughly 230 basis points lower on a reported basis when you normalize for the expected foreign currency exchange headwinds and the closure of our Zorro UK business.
At the business unit level, Zorro is anticipated to grow in low teens as they continue their momentum and driving higher repeat rates, consistent service and improved mid sentence marketing. Montaro is also expected to grow in the low teens and local days and local currency which normalizes for one less Japanese selling day in 2026 and expected FX headwinds from the end. This strong performance is fueled by growth with new and enterprise customers, strong repeat rates with core B2B customers and a carryover benefit from from the competitor cyber outage. Moving to our margin expectations, we expect total company operating margins to range between 15.4 and 15.9% of 40 to 90 basis points compared to 2025.
This reflects improvements in both segments as well as a 45 basis points tailwind from our exit of the UK market split roughly evenly between gross margin and SGA leverage. In the high touch solutions segment we expect operating margins between 16.9 and 17.4% up 35 basis points at the midpoint. Gross margin will improve as price cost normalizes and LIFO inventory valuation headwinds subside in the back half of the year. This favorability is partially offset by a modest headwind from our private labor portfolio where tariff dynamics have changed competitiveness on certain SKUs, we expect SGA leverage to improve as the accelerating top line and our productivity efforts offset ramping investment across our demand generators in endless assortment.
We anticipate operating margin will continue to ramp between 10 to 10.5% of 20 to 70 basis points versus 2025. Gross margins are expected to be down slightly at the midpoint and we expect continued healthy operating leverage improvement in both businesses. Our closure of Zoro UK is also positively contributing to segment level operating margin. Turning now to capital allocation, our business is positioned to generate strong cash flow in 2026 with expected operating cash of approximately 2.1 to $2.3 billion reflecting conversion of around 100%. Our capital allocation priorities remain consistent and largely unchanged from prior years. We’ll continue to invest in the business with capex in the range of 550 to 650 million, supporting supply chain initiatives, construction of new facilities in the US and Japan, and ongoing technology and data investments.
We’ll pursue selective inorganic opportunities while maintaining strategic and price discipline and beyond investment, we expect to return excess cash to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases. We’ll formally set the 2026 dividend in the second quarter, but again anticipate high single to low double digit annual increases. Share repurchases related to Grainger common stock are expected to be around $1 billion for the year. Overall, our return focused philosophy gives us flexibility to invest efficiently while delivering strong returns for our shareholders over the long term. In summary, at the total company level we plan to grow top line by 4.2 to 6.7% on a reported basis or 6.5 to 9% on a daily organic constant currency basis which normalizes for FX headwinds and our exit of the UK market.
You can see margin improvement through the P and L which reflects the previously mentioned tailwinds from the UK exit, high touch gross margin recovery and healthy leverage in both segments. These margin benefits will be partially offset by continued segment mix headwinds as endless assortment grows faster than high touch. We’re expecting the effective tax rate in 2026 to be roughly 25%, about 130 basis points unfavorable versus the prior year adjusted rate, mainly due to the impact of recent federal tax law changes and the lack of one time tax planning initiatives that won’t recur in 2026. Taking all this together, including our share repurchase outlook, we expect EPS of $42.25 to $44.75 per share up over 10% at the midpoint.
From a seasonality perspective, we expect year over year sales growth to be relatively consistent as we move throughout the year. On a daily organic constant currency basis, gross margin will deviate from its normal seasonality given LIFO and price cost dynamics as we comp over tariff headwinds in the prior year and reflect the impact of this year’s annual Brain Gersho meeting. With this first half, gross margins will be at or slightly below our annual guide before rebounding in the back half of the year. As the tariff related impact subside. Operating margin will follow a similar trajectory where the first half is at or below our full year guide before rebounding in the back half of the year.
The first quarter is off to a strong start with preliminary January sales of over 10% on a daily organic constant currency basis. This start supports our expectation for the first quarter sales of around 4.5 to 4.6 billion up north of 7.5% on a daily organic constant currency basis, or roughly 200 basis points lower on a reported basis. First quarter gross margins will remain healthy but decline sequentially versus the fourth quarter of 2025. This differs from our normal seasonal pattern as we continue to face tariff related pressures and reflect the impact from the Grainger sales meeting which flips to a gross margin headwind in 2026.
This gross margin pressure will be offset by sequential leverage improvement and we anticipate first quarter operating margins will be just north of 15% for the total company. Lastly, as I’ve consistently done at the end of the past few years, I’ve included our long term earnings framework for reference. The only change from the last time I shared this framework is a modest change to our go forward tax rate assumption to reflect new federal legislation. Importantly, all the core operating tenets of this framework remain intact and we are well positioned to deliver great results for our shareholders for years to come.
With that, I’ll turn it back to DG for some closing remarks.
Deidra C. Merriwether — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Thanks Dee. Before I open it up for questions, I want to acknowledge our nearly 25,000 Grainger team members who consistently demonstrate our principles and drive strong performance performance for Grainger. Every day they show up, start with the customer and compete with urgency to deliver on our purpose and create an exceptional experience. Looking ahead, I’m excited about how 2026 is shaping up and confident in our ability to extend our advantage for the long term. Regardless of the environment, we will continue to provide a best in class MRO offer while investing in the core of our business, an industry leading distribution network and innovative technology capabilities.
By staying focused on what matters most to our customers in creating a great workplace for our team members, we are poised to deliver continued growth, share gain and strong returns for our stakeholders. With that, I will open it up for Q and A.
Questions and Answers:
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Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you’d like to be placed in the question queue, please press star1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you’d like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing Star one. One moment please while we poll for questions. Our first question today is coming from David Manthey from Baird. Your line is now live.
David Manthey
Hey, good morning everyone. My first question is statement really 10%. Growth daily organic constant currency in January looks pretty good. As we’re looking at slide 21 and. Thinking about your guidance for the high. Touch business, it looks like share gain similar to 2025. Pricing is a key delta there at up about 300 basis points. But you also have market growth at. Minus 1.5 to flat, which is the same backdrop you had in 2025. And given other industry participants and what you’re seeing in January, could you just talk about what drives your cautiousness for the year overall?
D.G. Macpherson
Yes. So thanks for the question. So as we plan, we always start planning relatively conservatively if we try to. There’s no advantage in planning for growth that we haven’t seen yet. What I would say about January, certainly it was strong across the board, but we did get a bit of a tailwind from the competitive outage in Japan. That adds a little bit to that total as well.
But as Dee described, we’re pretty confident in sort of that 7.5 number for the year. So we feel like we’re off to maybe a little bit better start than we expected. And we may be wrong on the market, but that’s always a variable that we have.
David Manthey
Yep, sounds good. And then I wonder if you could. Give us an update on digital channels. A few years ago you told us Keep stock was 16%, website 30 and EDI EPro was 25% of order origination. I don’t know if you have those offhand or we could take them in.
D.G. Macpherson
Yeah, sure. So what I would say is everything, direct connection to customers has become more of a share. So actually EDI EPro is the biggest share we have at this point, closer to 40 at this point. GCOM is still a big part of that. And then keepstock’s growing a little bit as well as a percentage of the total.
So the vast majority of our contract customers now have combination of EPro and keep stock on site. And so that’s a big part of what we do in terms of creating stickiness and creating value for our customers.
David Manthey
All right, thanks, dg.
D.G. Macpherson
Thanks, Dave.
operator
Thank you. Next question today is coming from Jacob Levinson from Melius Research. Your line is now live.
Jacob Levinson
Good morning, everyone. Maybe just thinking about David’s question a little bit of a different way. Dg, if you talk to your customers, your large customers, can you just give us a sense of what the tone of those conversations have been like? Because it certainly feels like we’ve seen some sort of cyclical inflection this quarter, obviously ism, for example, but just trying to get a sense of when you talk to the CEOs, your peers, what, what the tone of those conversations are like, particularly if we’re talking about more of the rate sensitive end markets, not necessarily aerospace or data center.
D.G. Macpherson
Yeah, I think the tone hasn’t changed too much. There’s no, I’d say there’s no panic, but there’s not really enormous tailwinds that people are seeing. From a volume perspective, I think everybody’s seeing price, which obviously helps with the revenue numbers. But generally it’s very, very industry specific at this point. So you can run the gamut from very, very high optimism to fairly strong pessimism as well. Overall, I think the mood is okay, but not expecting huge, huge market growth.
Jacob Levinson
Okay, that’s helpful. And just on the medium customer front, it seems like there’s been quite an acceleration there the last couple of quarters. And I’m not sure if that’s a structural change in how you’re approaching those customers, or maybe there’s just some price in there, but maybe you could speak to what’s really driving that.
D.G. Macpherson
Yes, I mean, it’s a little bit of acceleration. There were some comps that we had that make it look a little bit favorable. We certainly are focused on growing with midsize customers and a lot of things we do in marketing and merchandising help those efforts. So it’s good to see a little attraction, but it’s not, it’s not a huge inflection point. Although we expect to continue to grow midsize faster than the rest.
Jacob Levinson
Fair enough. Thank you, dj. I’ll pass it on.
operator
Thank you. Next question is coming from Ryan Merkel. From William Blair. Your line is now live.
Ryan Merkel
Hey everyone. Thanks for the question. I wanted to start with gross margins, I guess a two part question. First, gross margins in 4Q were, you know, a little bit better than we were thinking. Where did the upside come from there? And then secondly, can you put a finer point on first quarter gross margins? I think you said down sequentially and just what was the reason? Thank you.
Deidra C. Merriwether
Yeah, hi. The main headwind that we received in the quarter was really related to lifo. So we had kind of laid out, you know, that LIFO would be a little bit more negative than what it actually came in. You know, still increased, but softer than that. So that helped us out from a gross margin perspective. And then as we continue to talk about, we did continue to take price. So price helped offset that a little bit in the quarter. So Those are the two largest things that impacted Q4 from a gross margin perspective.
D.G. Macpherson
And then in Q1 we do expect some of those LIFO costs to shift into Q1 as well.
Deidra C. Merriwether
Correct.
Ryan Merkel
Okay. So it’s really LIFO, which is why gross margins are down sequentially into 1Q.
D.G. Macpherson
Yes.
Ryan Merkel
Okay. All right.
Deidra C. Merriwether
The other piece in the first quarter is related to you heard in prepared remarks we discussed the Grainger sales meeting. And so anytime we have customers attend the Grainger sales meeting, which is every other year, then our supplier rebates due to our accounting methodologies allow us to offset a portion of those rebates in SGA. So therefore it becomes a headwind on GM. And so that’s going to happen in Q1 of 2026 as well.
D.G. Macpherson
So it’s a headwind to GP and a positive to SGA.
Deidra C. Merriwether
Net net neutral at operating margin.
Ryan Merkel
Okay, that’s great. Thanks for that. And then for the 26 margin guide, it doesn’t look like there’s a lot of organic margin lift ex cromwell, for example, at the bottom end of the guide, I think margins are flat. So what are some of the key factors in the margin guide? And I think you said gross margins for the year are going to be flat to down.
Deidra C. Merriwether
Yeah. If you look at it year over year, 25 to 26, don’t forget, EA is going to continue to grow faster than High touch. And that’s a headwind for US of about 10 basis points. As you noted, the UK market exit is going to be a tailwind for us. And then when you look at high touch, there’s a lot of puts and takes there. We talked a little bit about, you know, Granger sales meeting, price costs and the LIFO tailwind that we will get mostly in the second half, that’s going to contribute about 20 basis points.
So when you add all that together, that’s a 30 basis point difference between where we ended in 2025 to where we believe we will end in 2026.
Ryan Merkel
All right, thanks. Pass it on.
operator
Thank you. As a reminder that Star one to be placed in the question queue, our next question is coming from Christopher Glenn from Oppenheimer. Your line is now live.
Christopher Glynn
Thanks. Good morning everyone. Just in terms of the continued outgrowth for hts, obviously it’s been resilient in some very varied macro environments. But just curious, what you think is really behind the differential in the current trend line versus the long term expectation?
D.G. Macpherson
Yeah, I think that I would point to a couple things. Certainly some factors were out of our control. We had more exposure to government. So the government shut down, hurt the share gain in this year. But we Also if you remember paused some of our seller ads a couple years ago when they weren’t we weren’t seeing the performance we needed to see and adjusted and now we are seeing the performance. So we’ve reaccelerated that. But that’s had an impact over the last couple of years as well. You know, I would say that we’re seeing good things in that front.
We’re seeing good things at solar effectiveness, we’re seeing good things in onsite performance with Keepstock and we also along with marketing and merchandising, we’re pretty bullish around net contracts that we’ve been seeing recently. So. So that’s a positive force as well. So we think all that’s going to get us get that improvement that we want to see.
Christopher Glynn
Great. And then on the comment on seeing improved endless assortment repeat rates, just wondering if you could double click on that.
D.G. Macpherson
Yeah, I mean the business has been super focused on getting consistent purchases from core business customers. You know, they’ve changed a lot. I won’t go into the details as some of that’s probably not worth sharing other than to say the way we’re acquiring customers, what we’re doing with marketing, the way we’re talking about service and communicating service delivery, promise to customers, all that has helped and they’ve seen significant increases in repeat rates over the last 18 months. So it’s good to see.
Christopher Glynn
Great. And just a quick house cleaning. Dee, could you remind me what the January or the one first quarter guidance for organic ads was?
D.G. Macpherson
Seven.
Deidra C. Merriwether
Seven and a half.
D.G. Macpherson
Yeah.
Christopher Glynn
Great. Thank you.
operator
Thank you. Next question today is coming from Tommy Malcolm. Steven, your line is now live.
Tommy Moll
Good morning and thank you for taking my questions.
D.G. Macpherson
Good morning
Tommy Moll
DG, I wanted to follow up on your contact comment a second ago about the trend below your target for long term outgrowth in recent years. Point taken on the pause that you’ve communicated previously on the seller ads. But if we just look high level here, you had outperformance versus your target pretty meaningfully during the years 22 and 23. So I’d characterize what those had in common as, as an external stress on the supply chain. Just globally where you had scale, your competitors lack scale that that nets to your benefit. If we think about a lot of the other years, there’s a more normalized environment where you’re performing below that 4 to 500 target is the simplest answer here.
Not just that 4 to 500 is an average, but you’re really going to punch above that in times of stress in the market and in a quote unquote, more normalized environment, you’re probably going to be a bit below the target.
D.G. Macpherson
You know, I think that certainly we handled that supply stress well. I would definitely agree with that. It was a smaller portion of, you know, we had 875 basis points of outgrowth to years in a row. It was a small portion of that total. So I do think that that may be a general statement to make that could be true, but I don’t think. I do think we’ve averaged 540 basis points through the last five years of outgrowth and, you know, we expect to be able to get to that 4 to 500 mark again. So I think that, you know, some of that is just our own execution and some of its external factors, as I mentioned before.
Tommy Moll
Okay, on that execution point you mentioned for seller coverage, you’re going to add, I think you added two markets last year, add two more this year. If you look across the folks you’re hiring in these roles in an increasingly digital environment, are you targeting different types of sellers than you have historically? And if you think about the average tenure of the folks you’re hiring in these new GEOs, does it skew perhaps below the average tenure of the rest of your sales force?
D.G. Macpherson
You know, I’d say that the process we use when we add sellers hasn’t changed all that much. We’re looking for general selling skills and some sort of interest in the types of product we sell and the environments we sell in. And that hasn’t changed much. I think there’s a broader trend here that has been an important one from our customers, which is generally lack of mechanical talent, I’d say, I’m not sure that’s the right word. But to say that there are fewer people who are mechanically inclined and it’s actually been good for us in many ways as customers have asked us to do more on site.
And so that’s a trend that we do see. But in terms of who we’re hiring, we’re still looking for a lot of the same skills we’ve looked for in the past.
Tommy Moll
Thank you. I appreciate the insight. We’ll turn it back.
operator
Thank you. Next question is coming from Chris Denker from Loop Capital Markets. Your line is now live.
Chris Dankert
Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I guess like you said, we’ve seen some nice market share gains and some optimization of what’s within Grainer’s control here the past couple of years. But just looking back at the market share numbers, looks like we’re guiding for a Fifth consecutive year of contraction in the market. Maybe just does that imply we’re in an impaired or shrinking market? Does that imply that reshoring is a bit of a mirage? Maybe dg, what do you see when you see that contraction five years running? What are you pulling out of that?
D.G. Macpherson
I think if you look over 30 year history, the reality is that manufacturing activity has been pretty stable in the US it hasn’t been increasing much and employment has gone down. I think that sort of gives you a sense that long term, from a volume basis, our market has never been a fast growing market. So that’s why we have the earnings algorithm. We have gain share consistently, a little bit of price and then manage expenses and get sga. That’s what we have to do. I think in all industrial markets you would see something similar, to be honest.
And we studied industrial markets in the past, most of them are not fast growth markets.
Chris Dankert
Fair, Fair. I guess just shifting gears a bit to the digital investment. I know a lot of your peers look at clicks to success, maybe just is that a metric? You guys track any kind of color you can give us on improvement there. Is there a different KPI that you measure with the digital investment and the AI investment? Just any thoughts there?
D.G. Macpherson
Well, so are you asking about like online, how we measure success online?
Chris Dankert
Yeah. Just how quickly customers can kind of get to what they need digitally online? Yeah.
D.G. Macpherson
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we look at a whole bunch of metrics, we track the process, sort of soup to nuts as we look at it. And certainly conversion rate, which is, I think what you’re talking about is a big, is a big metric that we do look at for sure. And we also do a lot of surveys to understand competitiveness and how we do competitively on a bunch of digital sort of jury factors. And so I’d say we’re super well measured in that space.
Chris Dankert
Thanks so much.
D.G. Macpherson
Thanks.
operator
Thank you. Next question is coming from Steven Volkman from Jefferies. Your line is now live.
Stephen Volkmann
Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Most of mine’s been answered, but I wanted to go back, Dee, to your slide around tariffs, which is helpful, but is the message that you’ve now priced for all the tariff increases that you’ve seen.
Deidra C. Merriwether
So yeah, you know, we have essentially passed through all known tariffs and working in this quarter to also correct for some of the Chinese tariffs that were rolled back in November. So based upon our annual cost negotiations that the team went through in the back half of 2025, we feel like we’re fairly caught up in passing costs on to customers at this point in time. Now, anything in the future that is unknown, whether for additional tariffs or further rollbacks, we have not included any estimates of that nature in our outlook.
Stephen Volkmann
Okay, great. And it seems like in some of the businesses that we follow, some producers have been pretty slow to pass these price increases through. Do you think your suppliers are kind of where they need to be or do you think there’s a good chance that we’ll see additional sort of pass. Throughs as the year progresses?
D.G. Macpherson
So what I would say is suppliers had choices to make and their choice was usually do I pass dollar amount or do I pass percentage? And so I think overall we’re somewhere between dollar and percent is what I would say. What we’ve seen from our suppliers, that doesn’t mean necessarily that they need to add any more price. I don’t think that would drive that necessarily at this point.
Stephen Volkmann
Okay, great. Thank you guys.
operator
Thank you. Next question today is coming from Guy Hardwick from Barclays. Your line is now live.
Guy Hardwick
Hi, good morning. I think last year the growth in underlying operating expenses was 5%. It looks like guidance for this year is better than that, like just under 4%. Same particular reason for that. Was that just the benefit of the Cromwell operating expenses dropping away? And I think the OPEX ratios were worse for Cromwell than the overall group. But you also said in the prepared remarks. Sorry, maybe I’ll just leave it at that and let you just mention that before I follow up.
D.G. Macpherson
It’s a lot of Cromwell is the answer. And then there’s more leverage in EA and Hitouch as well. But a lot of it is Cromwell.
Guy Hardwick
You also said in your prepared remarks that marketing and merchandising is a big driver to outgrowth. So given that you’re guiding to a much greater outgrowth this year than last year, I mean, should we assume that your OPEX has factored in that higher merchandising and marketing expense for 2026?
D.G. Macpherson
Yes, yes, that’s right. That’s right.
Guy Hardwick
Thank you.
D.G. Macpherson
Thank you.
operator
Thank you. Our next question today is coming from Christopher Schneider from Morgan Stanley. Your line is now live.
Christopher Snyder
Thank you. I hopped on a little late, so I apologize if this got discussed. But could you provide, you know, level of price embedded in the 26 guide and then specifically how much is wrapped from the interior actions in 25? How much is new price and has there been any growing pushback to price in the market from customers? Thank you.
Deidra C. Merriwether
Yeah, so generally we’ve noted in the prepared remarks that our price into 2,026 is north of 3. And then if you look at all the rap and price that and run rate price that we’ve discussed previously, we believe that amounts to about two and a half to three of that. So all up, all in. In 2026, we’re north of 3% for. Price
D.G. Macpherson
and we haven’t seen tremendous pushback from customers. The elasticity has been what we generally expect at this point.
Christopher Snyder
Thank you, I appreciate that. And then if I could follow up on the earlier point, that gross margin would be down sequentially into Q1, you know, obviously different than normal seasonality. I’m not sure it’s ever been down sequentially into Q1. I guess. Can you just kind of maybe help unpack some of the moving parts there? Because it seems like the price cost improved as Q4 went on following the November price action. So I would have just thought that you would have a continuation of that into Q1. And I would have also thought maybe Q1 would have the full realization of the benefit from Cromwell going away.
That was probably not fully reflected in the Q4 gross margin. So just any color on some of the moving parts there would be helpful. Thank you.
Deidra C. Merriwether
Sure. So again, LIFO, even in Q1 of 2026 will continue to be a headwind because of course we are passing and have received new costs from customers that does subside as the year goes on. But Q4 to Q1, that is a headwind. We talked about the Grainger sales meeting. I don’t know if you were on for that, but that is a 20 basis points drag as well. This is the year where we have customers at the show and supplier rebates that would normally remain up in gross margin go down to SGA to offset some of the SG and a cost.
So then that becomes a headwind this year, a tailwind in next year when we have no customers. And then you may have heard us talk, we haven’t talked about it as much today, but you know, our private label business with the tariff impacts and looking to remain competitive based upon where we actually manufacture those products, products and being able to pass on the tariff increases, mostly we have done that at rate like Dee Dee just noted. So that creates a headwind in gross margins for us specifically as customers are transitioning to national brands for some of those products.
So that’s also a drag. And then what you noted was like the normal seasonality, recovery, price favorability, things like that, that is accounted for as a positive, but it’s only about 10 basis points. So all those things together. Take us from 95.39.5 to 39.1%. Q4.
Christopher Snyder
Thank you. I appreciate that.
operator
Thank you. Our next question is coming from Connor Siglia from Burns Senior Line is now live.
Connor Cerniglia
Great. Thanks for having me this morning. Just a quick one. On slide eight, you touched on the Zorro branded private label product. Can you talk a little bit about the progress you’ve seen so far? Maybe just some customer feedback, repeat rates, et cetera. And then can you speak to the margin impact on the business overall?
D.G. Macpherson
It’s not material enough at this point to have any impact on margins, but we have seen good early success in repeat rates. And that core business customer that Zorro serves really likes the Zorro private brand that we’ve launched so far.
operator
Thank you. We’ve reached the end of our question and answer session. I’d like to turn the floor back over for any further closing comments.
D.G. Macpherson
Great. Thanks everyone for joining today. Really appreciate it. And thanks for the questions. You’ll have many opportunity for questions with our IR team after the meeting. If we didn’t get to you, I just want to reiterate the fact that we feel really good about how things are set up moving forward. We are hearing positive things from our customers. We’re providing great service and we’re getting some of the growth drivers accelerated again. So look forward to having a great year and look forward to seeing you around. Thanks so much.
operator
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