Air Lease Corporation (AL) Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Air Lease Corporation (NYSE: AL) Q2 2025 Earnings Call dated Aug. 04, 2025

Corporate Participants:

Jason Arnold — Vice President and Head of Investor Relations

John L. Plueger — Chief Executive Officer and President

Gregory B. Willis — Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Analysts:

Terry Ma — Analyst

Catherine O’Brien — Analyst

Moshe Orenbuch — Analyst

Hillary Cacanando — Analyst

Jamie Baker — Analyst

Ronald Epstein — Analyst

Presentation:

Operator

Good afternoon, my name is Regina, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Air Lease Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker’s remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]

I will now turn the call over to Mr. Jason Arnold, Head of Investor Relations. Mr. Arnold, you may begin the conference.

Jason Arnold — Vice President and Head of Investor Relations

Thank you, Regina. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to Air Lace Corporation’s second quarter 2025 earnings call. This is Jason Arnold. I’m joined today by John Plueger, our Chief Executive Officer and President; and Greg Willis, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

Earlier today, we published our second quarter 2025 results. A copy of our earnings release is available on the Investors section of our website at www.airleasecorp.com. This conference call is being webcast and recorded today, Monday, Aug 4th, 2025, and the webcast will be available for replay on our website. At this time, all participants to this call are in listen-only mode.

Before we begin, please note that certain statements in this conference call, including certain answers to your questions, are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. This includes, without limitation, statements regarding the state of the airline industry, the impact of aircraft and engine delivery delays, our aircraft sales pipeline, and our future operations and performance. These statements and any projections as to our future performance represent management’s current estimates and speak only as of today’s date. These estimates involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations. Please refer to our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission for a more detailed description of risk factors that may affect our results.

Air Lease Corporation assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements or information in light of new information or future events. In addition, we may discuss certain financial measures such as adjusted net income before income taxes, adjusted diluted earnings per share before income taxes, and adjusted pre-tax return on equity which are non-GAAP measures. A description of our reasons for utilizing these non-GAAP measures as well as our definition of them and the reconciliation to corresponding GAAP measures can be found in the earnings release and 10-Q that we issued today. This release can be found in both the Investors and Press section of our website at airleasecorp.com.

Similar to prior quarters, given ongoing litigation, we won’t be able to take any questions about our Russia Fleet insurance claims. Lastly, as a reminder, unauthorized recording of this conference call is not permitted.

I’ll now turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer and President, John Plueger. John?

John L. Plueger — Chief Executive Officer and President

Thanks, Jason. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today.

In the second quarter, Air Lease generated revenues of $732 million and $3.33 in diluted earnings per share. Results benefited from our new aircraft deliveries, healthy gain on sales, increasing portfolio yield, end of lease revenue and another quarter of significant Russia fleet insurance proceeds. Fleet net book value and book value per common share reached all-time record levels in our company’s history as of the end of the quarter.

Expanding on our Russia insurance recoveries, we recognized a net benefit from insurance settlements of $344 million during the second quarter and expect to recognize an additional $60 million net benefit in the third quarter. To date, I’m very pleased to say that we recovered or have signed agreements to recover 104% of our initial Russia fleet write-off. We purchased 12 new aircraft from our order book during the second quarter, adding approximately $890 million in flight equipment to our balance sheet, and sold four aircraft for $126 million in sales proceeds. The weighted average of our fleet rose slightly quarter-over-quarter to 4.8 years, while weighted average lease term remained unchanged at 7.2 years.

Fleet utilization remains 100%. As of mid year, we’ve delivered about $1.7 billion of aircraft out of our expected outlook for full year order book deliveries of roughly $3 billion to $3.5 billion. At this point in time, we believe we are likely to hit the upper end of our full year expected range. We are anticipating around $600 million of deliveries for the third quarter and will provide a fourth quarter ’25 delivery outlook update for you, on our next earnings call.

Moving on to Aircraft sales. Our intent is to continue the pace of the aircraft sales to a maximize available capital. To that end, our sales pipeline is sizable at $1.4 billion up relative to last quarter and all at an attractive gain on sale margins. We continue to expect around $1.5 billion of aircraft sales for 2025 in total and are projecting $300 million of sales for the third quarter, with a balance to close in the fourth quarter of ’25. This quarter’s particular sales volume came in below our expectations due to the timing of anticipated closings falling outside the quarter.

Our gain on sale margin for the quarter was high at approximately 16% reflecting continued strong aircraft demand in the secondary market. Commercial aircraft demand remains robust and our order book placement activity reflects this strength. Lease rates in turn remain strong as well. Aircraft supply constraints continue to persist, perpetuating the strength in lease rates and aircraft values, and are expected to remain this way for several years into the future as we’ve highlighted many times in the past. Our order book is 100% placed through 2026, with only a modest number of placements remaining for 2027.

Lease extension activity also remains high, with nearly all customers choosing to extend rather than let aircraft go to competitors or other airlines. And the lease rates we are garnering on these extensions are strong, higher than a year or even eight months ago, including recent wide body extensions of A330 and Boeing 777 aircraft in various regions.

Looking at our order book, we did cancel our order for seven A350 freighter aircraft. We think the A350 freighter is a terrific freighter, but since we made that order in December of 2021, we simply decided to stick with new passenger airliners versus venturing into new freighters. Contractually, the majority of our A350 freighter aircraft were more than a year late. This cancellation frees up more than $1 billion in forward capex commitments, making that capital available for other alternatives.

On that note regarding capital deployment, let me just say that we are very disciplined buyers of aircraft and as we have shared in prior quarters, we still do not view pricing of new aircraft orders to be attractive. We are entirely focused on doing what’s best for our shareholders, which includes both commitment to our long term stock performance and maintaining a strong balance sheet. We’re pleased with our Russia insurance recoveries and liquidity position, including just now getting back to our leverage target.

With our enhanced financial flexibility, we are carefully considering opportunities to return capital to shareholders. It’s important to note that despite tariffs, geopolitical and macroeconomic uncertainties, conversations with our customers remain positive, with some continued note of caution towards geopolitical uncertainty. On a positive note for the backdrop of airline operations, further declines in fuel prices have been very supportive of airline profitability as a whole, and US dollar weakness has been supportive of the profitability of international airline carriers in particular. On Friday, the Lufthansa Group reported a 27% rise in second quarter adjusted operating profit due to low oil prices, strong US demand and robust performance of its cargo and MRO units.

Similarly, last week Air France KLM, our largest European customer group, reported an operating profit up 44% year-on-year due to strong yields and gains on its premium offering. Globally, passenger traffic continues to expand at a good pace overall of around 5% year-to-date, according to the latest IATA data. Recent commentary from several US carriers reflect optimism that demand trends are reversing course to the positive in the second half of the year. As most of you know, about 90% of our airline customers are outside of North America.

We were very pleased to see zero for zero tariffs on commercial aircraft and parts in the US-EU tariff agreement announced last week. The impact of a major or protracted US-EU tariff battle on the overall aerospace industry and supply chain could have had significant impact on manufacturers, airlines and the broader macroeconomic environment as well, and would be particularly tough on a sector that has already dealt with plenty of disruptions over the past four or five years. So, very good news that a negative outcome has been successfully averted, particularly given the scale of the aerospace industry within these two markets. We believe a clear precedent has now been set globally for exemption of commercial aircraft from high magnitude tariffs.

I will also remind you that as part of our lease agreements, tariffs are the responsibility of our customers and that our purchase agreements with the OEMs limit their ability to increase prices by escalation caps. In conclusion, we continue to see bright skies ahead for our business, portfolio yields on our fleet are set to trend higher, primarily as a product of strong lease rates on new deliveries, strong extension rates and COVID restructuring maturities. We’ve received significant insurance proceeds as I’ve highlighted, and fixed rate market financing rates have continued trending lower as the yield curve continues to slowly normalize. These tailwinds are all poised to propel us forward for years to come.

I’ll now turn the call over to our CFO, Greg Willis, to offer more detail and color on our financial results. Greg?

Gregory B. Willis — Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, John, and good afternoon, everyone. During the second quarter, Air Lease generated total revenues of $732 million, up 9.7% over the prior period. This increase was driven by a 13.5% increase in our rental revenue, driven by the growth of our fleet, an increase in end of lease revenue and our portfolio yield. As we have guided in the past, we continue to expect that our portfolio yield will remain on an upward trajectory due to the roll-off of COVID era leases, the seasoning of our existing fleet and lease extensions, despite the effects of selling aircraft at higher yields, which I’ll address in more detail in a few minutes.

In prior periods, we included maintenance revenue in the rental revenue line item. However, going forward we will now break out maintenance revenue as a separate line item on our income statement for increased clarity. Maintenance revenue in the quarter was up $16 million, driven by — driven primarily by end of lease income received during the period. End of lease revenue is highly dependent upon the timing of returns. Given the current high demand environment that we are in, we do not expect to receive significant amounts of end of lease income in the remainder of 2025 as a vast majority of our leases are set to extend with the current operators.

As a reminder, extending leases at market rates further enhances the value of our aircraft and we typically capture the value of end of lease income in the ultimate disposition of the aircraft. Sales proceeds for the quarter totaled $126 million from the sale of four aircraft. This compares to the prior period where we sold 11 aircraft totaling $530 million in proceeds. Aircraft sales volumes were down this quarter due to the timing of aircraft sales. As we have said in the past, it is difficult to forecast when aircraft sales will ultimately close due to a host of airline customer legal and jurisdictional matters. However, these sales generated approximately $17 million in gains representing roughly a 16% gain on sale margin, which is at the top end of our performance in recent history. Beyond gains on sales, we also benefit from an increase in our management fees and other income.

Turning to our aircraft sales pipeline. It currently sits at $1.4 billion with healthy gain on sales margins above our historical average of 8% to 10%. It’s also worth noting that the aircraft in our pipeline are carrying asset yields that are significantly lower than what existed in prior years. Therefore, this should help dampen the impact of aircraft sales on our portfolio yield trajectory. This is driven by several factors including our bases in the aircraft which directly benefits from our disciplined approach to aircraft investment, the types of aircraft in our fleet, an improvement in underlying credit quality of our customers as well as improvements in the interest rate environment for our buyers.

Moving on to expenses. Interest expense rose by approximately $19 million year-over-year, driven by a 29 basis point year-over-year increase in our composite cost of funds to 4.28% at quarter end. However, relative to the end of the first quarter, our composite cost of funds rose only 2 basis points. Higher financing costs and debt balances were the primary contributors to the year-over-year increase in interest expense. At the end of the second quarter, roughly 77% of our borrowings were at fixed rates versus floating inside our 80% target.

We continue to benefit from our largely fixed rate financing structure which has meaningfully moderated the impact of an elevated interest rate environment at the front end of the curve. Depreciation expense continues to track the growth of our fleet. Turning to SG&A and stock comp, we recognize the majority of our — of the non-recurring expenses related to Steve Hazy’s retirement in the first quarter, resulting in meaningfully lower SG&A and stock comp expenses this quarter.

I do want to point out that this quarter we previously mentioned — as we previously mentioned, we have an additional $2.2 million in stock based compensation expense related to Steve Hazy’s retirement which in the last — which is the last of these retirement related expenses. SG&A as a percentage of revenue was flat as compared to the first quarter excluding the non recurring retirement expenses and was flat as compared to the prior year’s quarter at around 6.8% of revenue. We expect this number to trend lower over time as the fleet continues to expand and legal expenses related to our Russia Fleet litigation wind down.

As John noted earlier, we recognize a net benefit of $344 million in Russia fleet insurance settlements, in total representing approximately $2.43 per share in the quarter, which in addition to the operating results both boosted our book value per share to $65.53 per share. Combined with legal settlements executed in the third quarter, our recovery of our initial Russia Fleet write-off stands at approximately 104%.

Moving on to our financing activities. As we highlighted last quarter, we believe that we are largely able to self fund our order book with expected operating cash flow and sales activity. Therefore, the primary financing needs remained at — remain are related to the refinancing of our existing debt. While the front end of the curve remains elevated, we have seen market financing rates improve measurably on term debt issuances within our typical targeted maturity range. We remain opportunistic in our approach to refinancing needs, so, we will continue to monitor the capital markets for attractive entry points.

We also maintain well positioned for further normalization of the yield curve. We believe our patients have served us well. Our debt to equity ratio declined to just below 2.5 times target following the recognition of additional insurance settlements and our operating results this quarter. We anticipate having more financial and capital flexibility over the next several years. The cancellation of our A350 freighter order further reduces our capital needs for financing new aircraft deliveries in future periods. As always, our strong liquidity position of $7.9 billion, $31 billion of unencumbered assets and $29 billion of contracted rentals continue to remain key pillars of financial strength for our business.

To wrap up. We are very excited about the tailwinds we foresee for our business at present, which we see as propelling us forward with EPS growth and rising profit margins and ROE ahead.

With that. I’ll turn the call back over to Jason for the question-and-answer session of the call.

Jason Arnold — Vice President and Head of Investor Relations

Thanks, Greg. This concludes our prepared commentary and remarks. For the question-and-answer session, we ask each participant to limit their time to one question and one follow-up.

Operator, please open the line for the Q&A session.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Terry Ma with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Terry Ma

Hey, thank you. Good afternoon. I just want to start out with lease expirations and maturities. You guys have quantified about $5 billion of lower yielding leases that are expected to expire in next two years, and that should help kind of contribute to a 150 basis point to 200 basis point improvement in yield. So, just hoping maybe for mark-to-market of where you are in that process, how much of that $5 billion has kind of been extended or renewed and kind of what the trajectory for lease yield is kind of going forward from here.

Gregory B. Willis

Sure, Terry, I’ll take it. Right now, we’re making — we’re tracking exactly along the same path that we set have forth back in Q1 when we put forward those numbers. I don’t have an updated number of what percentage of the $5 billion roll-off where we are currently. But I will say that our guidance of 150 basis point to 200 basis point improvement is still valid. In fact, actually with the change in dynamic of our sales pipeline, coming in with lower yields on those assets is actually helping. But we’re going to hold off any further on updating guidance and further yield improvements at the current time.

Terry Ma

Got it. Okay. And then maybe just on capital allocation. You guys are — now within your leverage target. You expect some additional recoveries in the third quarter. And you also mentioned the additional $1 billion capital kind of freed up from the freighter cancellation. Maybe just kind of talk about how you evaluate the relative attractiveness of kind of buybacks to your other kind of opportunities.

John L. Plueger

Yeah, hi, this is John. I’ll take that. Yeah, look, buybacks are a very attractive looking form of capital allocation, as we mentioned in the past. Our point about just reaching our debt to equity ratio is simply that we are building a very, very strong balance sheet with excess capital such that any capital moves or capital deployment we may make will be meaningful. At the same time, give us the ability to retain a very strong balance sheet with no threat at all to our rating — our investment grade rating.

Terry Ma

Okay.

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of Catherine O’Brien with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Catherine O’Brien

Hi, good afternoon, everyone. Hey, how are you? So, one of your peers recently was just noting that with deliveries picking up, airlines capital requirements would be too and they expected there could be more deals that met their return threshold via sale-leaseback channels. I guess, what’s your view on that and how does that figure into the capital allocation strategy? It sounds like shareholder returns are still pretty high on the list, but just we kind of love like the punch list for what looks the most attractive to you guys now. And thoughts on if there’s more capital deployed to saleleasebacks. Thanks.

John L. Plueger

Sure, sure. Look, the evolving landscape with customers and their perspective on order books are always there and we always do consider that. However, as I mentioned in my remarks, continued strengthening of our available capital with a view towards our shareholders is equally, if not more so attractive at this time. And so, we continue to build capital on that basis.

Catherine O’Brien

That makes sense. And then, maybe just on Russia, I know you’re limited, what you can say, but I guess with the $60 million settlement, is there more left? Like, are you expecting you still need to go to court this fall or like, I guess just trying to get a sense of like, what’s still outstanding. Thanks so much.

John L. Plueger

Thanks, Cathe. John, again, listen, we — I think we’ve indicated $60 million for the third quarter, but we are still in litigation in London, and I’m just simply not able to comment further.

Catherine O’Brien

Okay, got it.

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of Moshe Orenbuch with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Moshe Orenbuch

Great, thanks. And I guess, we’ll go three for three, talking a little bit about capital. Maybe just to frame the question slightly differently. Your returns are improving, and they’re expected to improve. Sounds like they, Greg, they could be improving a little faster even if the yield kind of steps up at a faster pace. Can you relate for us how you would think about, like, how much of the capital or like how much excess capital you could be generating and how to think about that in the context of kind of improving returns?

Gregory B. Willis

Yeah, I don’t think we can — we’re not prepared to give a number of how much excess capital we have over the next several years. I mean, very clearly a lot of it’s dependent upon our sales activities, which currently are very strong. I think, you’re going to want to see us continue to execute upon our sales pipeline as well as source new additional sales around those levels to create more capital. But as a reminder, we just got back down to our debt to equity target. And I think it just takes a little bit of time to build the capital to be in a position to evaluate what to do with that excess capital that everybody’s foreseeing as having.

Moshe Orenbuch

Got it.

John L. Plueger

Moshe, let me just reiterate one of my comments in that, one of the most important considerations when you’re asking sort of directly about size is that whatever we do in capital employment, it’s meaningful, whether to shareholders or anything else. And at the same time to be able to, as I said, retain a very strong balance sheet in the view of our bondholders and the rating agencies. So, just, we’re trying to exercise our best judgment, but anything we do is going to be meaningful.

Moshe Orenbuch

I certainly appreciate that. Maybe to kind of follow up on the comments about aircraft sales. The sales this quarter were lighter, but you’ve got an expectation of that picking up. You did cancel some orders as well. And so, like, maybe just if you sort of could you outline for us how you’re thinking about how much of the fleet you will put up for sale? Obviously, we know what your plans are for the back half of this year, but as you think about it in 2026, is there a way to kind of dimension that for us?

Gregory B. Willis

Yeah, I mean, we’re targeting $1.5 billion this year and I think we’re targeting about the same level for the next several years, which should create additional capital. And I will point out the A350 freighter cancellation mainly impacted ’27 and ’28 in terms of capex needs. So, I think those all are coming together. And we’ll continue to execute and update you on where we are from an excess capital perspective.

John L. Plueger

We’re just keeping the same pace, Moshe, where we’ve been. We’re very comfortable with that. We think we can execute it from a sales perspective and bottom line, it just maximizes our opportunities. So, we don’t see accelerating sales beyond that. Circumstances could change, but I certainly don’t see it. But at the same time, we love the building of capital from that level of sales. So, just expect that to continue.

Moshe Orenbuch

Thanks very much.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Hillary Cacanando with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Hillary Cacanando

Hi. Thank you so much. So, you mentioned that you’re not expecting much end of lease revenue this year due to higher extension rate. So, in terms of modeling the next year, are you expecting end of lease revenues to kind of go down again next year due to higher extension rate, or do you expect it to reverse next year or the year after? How you’re thinking about that?

Gregory B. Willis

I think, you probably should expect the sort of the same level that you saw in ’25 as in ’26. Assuming the environment still remains strong, I think that’s probably a fair number. And not every single lease will extend, because maybe we don’t want to extend with the underlying carrier. In that case, we take the airplane back and take end of lease income. So, I think, it’s a bit of a balance, but I think probably what we’ve done this year is probably fair for next year.

Hillary Cacanando

Probably similar level. Okay. And then, I think, last quarter you mentioned that, obviously you mentioned it again that the rates on the extensions were higher than the original rate. And then last quarter you actually said there were some as much as 50% higher than the original rate. Are you still seeing like high extension rates like that? Are you still seeing that level? And then in terms of the length, are they five or six years or are they much shorter?

Gregory B. Willis

The extension rates that we’re doing again this quarter were higher than what they previously carried. So, we’re still feeling very good about that, and that’s why we’re still feeling very good about our overall portfolio yield trajectory. The market remains really robust, especially as we take out a lot of these COVID era leases.

Hillary Cacanando

And are they long in terms of — are they like five or six years in length or.

Gregory B. Willis

Yeah, they’re your standard extensions from four to six years. Sometimes longer, sometimes shorter, but on average they’re in that area.

Hillary Cacanando

Got it. Thank you very much.

John L. Plueger

What is good to see is that the wide body extensions are pointing a little further to longer extensions in the four to five area range. That’s pretty much a slam dunk for single vial. But the wide bodies are now at that longer extended term length as well.

Hillary Cacanando

Oh, that’s great to see. Helpful. Thank you very much.

John L. Plueger

Okay.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jamie Baker with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Jamie Baker

Oh, good afternoon, gentlemen. So, just one question from us, and I guess it sort of builds on Cathy’s question. She referenced the AerCap call. The topic of sale leasebacks came up and obviously there haven’t been a ton of transactions in that space as of late. And what recent deals have gotten done, it sounds like the economics are skewed more in favor of the airlines rather than the sponsoring lessors. So, basically AerCap’s view is that as OEM production rates increase, it could actually improve to strengthen economics. So, that’s the basis of our question. As production rates begin to rise, how do you, I guess, how do you try to angulate the impact that that will have on the sale leaseback market, the extension of current leases and your order book dynamics at Air Lease? Thanks.

John L. Plueger

Well, I think the most important fundamental Jamie, to consider is that even with production rate increases, even with those increases which have not all been achieved by any [Indecipherable], there is still a shortfall in supply for the next three to four years and that assumes those production rate increases. So, we do fully expect those production rate increases to go into effect. As to how it will impact the sale leaseback market remains a little unclear. But our litmus test really is very fundamental and hasn’t changed. We know what we pay for aircraft, we know we get for leases.

We’re happy to take a look at any sale leaseback opportunities. But I don’t think at least sitting here today, it’s hard to see that there’s going to be a material shift in that marketplace versus the order book marketplace. I think, that sale leaseback marketplace will still tend to be overly competitive and will probably still return a lower lease. Having said that, we are completely open on that aspect as well. If we find a unique opportunity with an airline perhaps to do a sale leaseback on a certain percentage of its orders in connection with placing our orders, we’re very happy to do that.

Jamie Baker

Okay, that’ll do it. Thanks a lot, John. I really appreciate it. Take care.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Ron Epstein with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Ronald Epstein

Yeah, good afternoon, guys. Maybe just a quick one and then a quick follow up. Are you starting to see reasonable production stability out of the OE.

John L. Plueger

Ron, it’s John. Well, I would say yes in the following sense. November of ’24, we got our last forward — our last delivery projection outlook from Boeing. I must say that they’ve lived up to that and the quality has been good and high. Now, clearly, they’ve not stepped to 42. I think that they have projected that for the end of the year. I think, they will do so on that time frame if they are ready. But I also think that if they are not ready, they will not. Airbus, there has been no further slippage since February March where we were notified, quite much to our surprise, of another year’s delivery of most of our single aisles going on in ’26 and ’27. There has been no change there either. But I would just remind you that Airbus today at its single aisle production rate is a much higher rate than Boeing. So just by that, I would say that there perhaps is still a bit more risk in the Airbus production rate. I could be wrong. This is just — I’m just giving you my gut feel here. So, that’s the best way I can answer it.

Ronald Epstein

Got it, got it. And then maybe if we just sort of focus a little bit more on the quarter. And when we think about kind of the recovery here understanding that the COVID era contracts pressured yields and they last for a while. But I think you guys guided for yields to trend higher over the course of the year. And it does seem like we backtracked a little bit in the quarter. And is that just because some aircraft with some higher yields on them were sold or how should we think about that?

Gregory B. Willis

Ron, I think actually yields increased during the quarter. That’s the numbers we’re seeing. And we’re happy to share with you the details. But if you look at it on an average asset basis, they actually increased this quarter and we expect them to continue to track upward over the next several quarters.

Ronald Epstein

Okay, great. All right. Yeah, thank you.

Gregory B. Willis

No problem.

Operator

Our next question is a follow up from the line of Catherine o’ Brien with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Catherine O’Brien

Hey, guys, thanks for the extra time. I just was wondering, so, can you just give us an update on demand from airline customers? Obviously with the extension rate and some of the commentary you made for some of the strong results of European carriers in the prepared remarks, it sounds like it’s business as usual. Was there basically no impact around the tariffs outside of maybe the US that you’ve seen over the last couple months? I just guess I’d love to hear like how conversations about growth and taking new deliveries and demand for orders are sounding with the airline versus where they were in January and April, if there was a difference between January and April and now. Thanks so much.

John L. Plueger

Okay. Well, very clearly, I can say that as to the passenger commercial aircraft, there’s really no change at all in the positive momentum that we’re seeing. And aircraft demand overall. In fact, it’s the same or perhaps even a little greater in certain aircraft types, such as the A321 neo. Where I do think there has been an impact though from tariffs has been in the cargo markets. I think, the freighter markets have had a little bit more fluctuation in this era that we’re current the last several months in the tariff era, as I would call it. And that kind of remains to be seen.

And for example, that was one of the things that we thought about referencing our A350 freighter order. So, I would say again, there has been a little bit of tempering, but primarily it’s been on the cargo side. Not that we’re a huge provider of cargo aircraft. I need to be very clear. But our sense is there has been a little bit of caution on the cargo markets, but really not the passenger aircraft demand.

Catherine O’Brien

Got it. Really helpful. Thanks for the extra time.

John L. Plueger

Sure.

Operator

And there are no further questions at this time. Mr. Arnold, I turn the call back over to you.

Jason Arnold

Thank you all for participating in our second quarter call. We look forward to speaking to you again next quarter. Regina, thank you very much for your help. And please disconnect the line.

Operator

[Operator Closing Remarks]