Old National Bancorp (ONB) Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Old National Bancorp (NASDAQ: ONB) Q2 2025 Earnings Call dated Jul. 22, 2025

Corporate Participants:

Unidentified Speaker

Jim Ryan — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

John Moran — Chief Financial Officer

Analysts:

Unidentified Participant

Scott Siefers — Analyst

Ben Gerlinger — Analyst

Chris McGratty — Analyst

Jon Arfstrom — Analyst

Jonathan Rau — Analyst

Terry McEvoy — Analyst

Presentation:

operator

Welcome to the old National Bancorp second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. This call is being recorded and has been made accessible to the public in accordance with the SEC’s Regulation FD corresponding presentation slides can be found on the Investor relations page@oldnational.com and will be archived there for 12 months. Management would like to remind everyone that certain statements on today’s call may be forward looking in nature and are subject to certain risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results or outcomes to differ from those discussed. The Company refers you to its forward looking statement legend in the Earnings Release and Presentation slides.

The Company’s risk factors are fully disclosed and discussed within its SEC filings. In addition, certain slides contain non GAAP measures which management believes provide more appropriate comparisons. These non GAAP measures are intended to assist investors understanding of performance trends. Reconciliations for these numbers are contained within the appendix of the presentation. I’d now like to turn the call over to Old National’s chairman and CEO Jim Ryan for opening remarks. Mr. Ryan, good morning.

Jim Ryan — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Earlier today Old national reported impressive second quarter earnings and announced the appointment of Tim Burke as our new President and coo. Today is Tim’s first day with us and we’ve opted not to include him on the call to allow him time to get oriented. Mark Sanders Last days also today. Mark will always be a part of the Old national family and I am incredibly grateful for his partnership. Thank you Mark. We wish you the absolute best in retirement. Tim and his family are relocating from Northeast Ohio and he has dedicated nearly 30 years of his banking career to serving clients and communities right here in the Midwest.

Most recently he held an executive position at a super regional bank where he oversaw a comprehensive range of commercial banking services across 12 Midwestern markets including those in Illinois, Indiana and Michigan. I am confident that Tim possesses the experience, energy, optimism and passion necessary to ensure that Old Nashville continues to outperform our peers, exceed our clients expectations, strengthen our communities and deliver outstanding returns for our shareholders. I look forward to the positive impact that he will undoubtedly make in the months and years to come. Now back to our quarterly results. We met or exceeded all of our previous guidance for the second quarter.

These impressive results were driven by a strong focus on the fundamentals growing our balance sheet, improving our fee based businesses and maintaining well controlled expenses. Furthermore, we were pleased to close our partnership with Bremer bank ahead of schedule on May 1st. We remain on track for the systems conversion of Bremer to occur in mid October. Net charge offs fell within our expected range. We made meaningful progress in portfolio management by reducing legacy criticized and classified assets by 9% and improving our allowance for credit losses by 8 basis points to 1.24%. Our CET1 ratio was better than expected at 10.74%.

Our tangible book value increased by 14% year over year despite the impact of our Bremer partnership. In a moment, John will walk you through the quarter results in more detail. We have also provided information regarding the merger accounting associated with Bremer. John will compare our modeled expectations at announcement to where we stood at closing. Across the board, our expected results are better than our original expectations. We have a long history of meeting or exceeding our merger model assumptions and this partnership is no exception. In summary, we are well positioned for the remainder of the year, benefiting from a larger balance sheet and a stronger capital position.

Our second quarter results demonstrate our ability to deliver consistent high quality earnings in any environment and our newest partner further strengthens our position. With over 190 years of experience navigating uncertainty, we are committed to controlling what we can to exceed the expectations of our clients, communities and shareholders. Thank you. I will now turn the call over to John to discuss the quarter results in more detail.

John Moran — Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Jim. Beginning on slide 4, we reported GAAP2Q earnings per share of $0.34 excluding $0.19 of net merger related expenses. Adjusted earnings per share were $0.53 which is an 18% increase over the prior quarter and a 15% increase year over year. Net merger related expenses include the following Pre tax items, $76 million of CECL Day 1 non PCD provision expense and $41 million of merger charges, partially offset by a $21 million gain associated with freezing the legacy Bremer pension plan. Results were driven by the additional two months of Bremer operations, organic growth in loans and deposits, margin expansion, growth in fee income and well controlled expenses.

Credit remained benign with a reduction in legacy criticized and classified loans and normalized levels of charge offs. Our return profile as measured on assets and on tangible common equity remained high. Lastly, our capital position is solid with CET1 at 10.47%, approximately 50 basis points higher than we expected. On slide 5 you can see our quarterly balance sheet trends highlighting stability in our liquidity and our strong capital position. Our balance sheet also reflects the close of the Bremer partnership on May 1. On a combined basis, our deposit growth over the last year has continued to allow us to fund our loan growth.

We grew tangible book value per share by 14% over the last year. Even with the impact of the Bremer close reflected in this quarter’s numbers a favorable stock price, lower rate marks and organic capital generation between announcement and close, combined with strong retained earnings at Bremer and the day one repositioning of their securities portfolio all contributed to the higher than expected CET1 ratio. Given our capital levels are higher than we modeled at the time we announced Bremer last November, we have significant flexibility around our balance sheet leaving us in a position to retain all CRE loans that we had originally contemplated selling.

On slide 6 we show trends in our earning assets period end loans increased $11.5 billion excluding Bremer. Total loans grew 3.7% annualized from last quarter and which was in line with our 2Q guidance. Production for the quarter was strong throughout our commercial book which drove 4.6% annualized growth in this portfolio excluding Bremer. Of note, our CRE book was down and this quarter was particularly strong for CNI. Quarterly new loan production rates are in the high 6% range and marginal funding costs are in the mid 3% range. The investment portfolio increased $3.4 billion from the prior quarter due primarily to Bremer as well as the reinvestment of cash flows and favorable changes in fair values.

Shortly after deal closing we repositioned Bremer’s investments which improved our total portfolio yield duration and risk weighted assets. We expect approximately $2.3 billion in cash flow over the next 12 months. Today, new money yields are approximately 110 basis points above back book yields on securities. As the repositioning of the Bremer book lifted our back book, the repricing dynamics in both loans and securities combined with loan growth and the Bremer partnership support our expectation that net interest income and net interest margin will continue to grow in the second half of 2025. Moving to slide 7, we show trends in deposits.

Total deposits increased $13.3 billion and core deposits ex brokered increased $11.6 billion. Excluding Bremer, core deposits were up just under 1%. Annualized non interest bearing deposits represent 25% of core deposits up 2% from first quarter levels. Business non interest bearing and public funds increased while community deposits had normal seasonal outflows related to tax payments. Our brokered deposits increased due to Bremer and at 6% of total deposits our use of brokered continues to be below peer levels. The loan deposit ratio was 88% down 1% from last quarter. With respect to deposit costs, the two basis point linked quarter increase in our cost of total deposits played out as we expected due to the close of Bremer, Our spot rate on total deposits at June 30 was 193 basis points.

Moreover, our exception price deposits, which now include Bremer, represent 36% of total deposits. Overall, we remain confident in the execution of our deposit strategy. We are prepared to proactively respond to the potentially evolving rate environment while staying on offense with new and existing clients to drive above peer deposit growth at reasonable costs. Slide 8 shows our quarterly income statement trends. As I mentioned earlier, adjusted earnings per share were $0.53 for the quarter with all key line items in line or modestly better than our prior guidance. Moving on to slide 9 we present details of our net interest income and margin.

Net interest income and margin increased as we had expected and guided driven primarily by Bremer organic loan growth and repositioning of the Bremer securities portfolio. Slide 10 shows trends in adjusted non interest income which was $112 million for the quarter. All line items showed increases reflecting Bremer and organic growth in our primary fee businesses. On an organic basis, we were pleased with our growth in wealth, mortgage and capital markets. Continuing to slide 11 we show the trend in adjusted non interest expenses of $344 million for the quarter reflective of two months of Bremer operations. Run rate expenses remain well controlled and we generated positive operating leverage year over year.

On slide 12 we present our credit trends. Total net charge offs were 24 basis points or 21 basis points excluding charge offs on PCD loans. Our non accrual loans as a percentage of total loans declined 5bps during the quarter. Importantly and positively criticized and classified loans decreased $254 million or approximately 9% excluding Bremer. Reflective of the focus on active portfolio management that we have discussed in prior calls, the fourth quarter allowance for credit losses to total loans, including the reserve for unfunded commitments was 124 basis points, up 8 basis points from the prior quarter primarily driven by Bremer.

Consistent with the first quarter, our qualitative reserves incorporate a 100% weighting on the Moody’s S2 scenario with additional qualitative factors to capture global economic uncertainty. Slide 13 presents key credit metrics relative to peers. Our proactive approach to credit monitoring has led to above peer levels of non accruals but below peer averages in delinquency and charge off ratios over time. A steadfast approach to client selection, conservative structuring and our proactive stance on workouts have long been hallmarks of OMB’s credit discipline this in part explains our lower non accrual to NCO conversion rates. It is also worth noting that roughly 60% of our non accruals are from acquired books with appropriate reserves and and or marks.

In addition, roughly 60% of our non accrual loans are paying principal and interest or interest only and approximately half of our classified and criticized assets are in commercial real estate where we continue to have confidence in collateral values and the quality of our sponsors. On slide 14 we review our capital position at the end of the quarter all regulatory ratios decreased linked quarter due to the close of the Bremer partnership. As Already explained, our CET1 ratio of 10.74% came in approximately 50 basis points stronger than we had expected post Bremer tangible book value per share was up 14% year over year and we expect AOCI to improve approximately 6% or $37 million by year end.

Slide 15 provides a comparison of our BREMER Partnership assumptions and announcement first close overall, we closed two months earlier than expected, adding to our 2025 earnings momentum with financial metrics tracking to exceed the expectations we set at announcement. Higher capital and lower purchase accounting marks shortened the TBV earn back by approximately half a year and as we look to 2026, a larger balance sheet with the $2.4 billion in CRE that we had previously contemplated selling is expected to offset the lower marks from an earnings perspective. As previously mentioned, we restructured the majority of Bremer’s $3.4 billion securities book.

This action increased the book yield from 2.85% to 5.54%, reduced total duration from 6.4 to 4.7, and improved RWA density from 19% to 13%. This is now cash yield as opposed to accounting yield. A quick word on Loan Accretion Income we view the rate component as locked in and repeatable, similar to how we would think about the accretion in our investment portfolio if we had decided not to restructure that book. The credit marks added only one basis point to our net interest margin. This quarter. Old national legacy loan yields were up 10bps and even with the newly marked Bremer loans reflected in our numbers, our current origination yields are 65 basis points above our back book yields. Slide 16 includes updated details on our rate, risk position and net interest income guidance reflecting the close of Bremer on May 1, NII is expected to increase on the addition of Bremer the benefit of fixed asset repricing and continued growth. Our assumptions are listed on the slide, but I would highlight a few of the primary drivers. First, we assume two cuts of 25 basis points each which aligns with the current forward curve.

Second, we assume a five year treasury rate that stabilizes at 4%. Third, we anticipate our total down rate deposit beta to be approximately 40% which is in line with our terminal operate betas. And fourth, we expect the non interest bearing mix to remain relatively stable as a percentage of core deposits. Importantly, our guidance would be unchanged for one Fed cut or no cuts as our balance sheet remains neutrally positioned to short term rates and the addition of BREMER did not materially alter our rate risk position. Slide 17 includes our outlook for the third quarter and full year 2025.

With the exception of loan growth, all guidance includes Bremer. We believe our current pipeline support full year loan growth excluding the impact of Bremer of 4 to 6% but likely toward the lower end of that range. Given first half results, current competition, the uncertain geopolitical environment and active portfolio management. We anticipate continued success in the execution of our deposit strategy and expect to meet or exceed industry growth in 2025. Other key line items are highlighted on the slide. Note that we have increased NII and fee income guidance with our other lines unchanged at the midpoint of the ranges.

You’ll also see that we expect full year results that yield earnings per share in line with current analyst consensus estimates and again feature positive operating leverage and a peer leading return profile with good growth in fees, controlled expenses and normalized credit. As we note at the bottom of the slide, uncertainty surrounding global economic and trade activity and a macroeconomic outlook which which has dragged on longer than we would have hoped, could widen the range of possible outcomes this year with respect to both growth and rates. That said, our larger balance sheet with the Bremer Partnership creates a meaningful positive offset.

In summary, echoing Jim’s opening comments, we had a strong first half of 2025. We remained on offense with growth in both loans and deposits. We showcased growth in fee income and disciplined expense management. We continued to execute against our deposit pricing strategy and we maintained strong credit quality. Finally, we closed our Bremer partnership two months earlier than originally expected on May 1st welcomed our newest team members and clients. I joined Jim in welcoming Tim Burke to Old National. Look forward to partnering with him to continue driving the success of the organization. With those comments, I’d like to open the call for your questions.

Questions and Answers:

operator

At this time I would like to remind everyone in order to ask a question, please press STAR followed by the number one on your Telephone keypad. Your first question comes from the line of Scott Sefers with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Jim Ryan

Morning, Scott.

Scott Siefers

Morning, guys. Hey, thanks for taking the question. Let’s see, Jim was hoping you could. Maybe just make some sort of some. Broader comments on kind of client sentiment, how they’re feeling about these, about things these days. And then either Kim or John was hoping you can sort of expand upon John’s loan growth outlook. Comments just regarding full year growth being maybe toward the lower end of the organic range. Get that asked because some others are beginning to get a little more constructive. So interesting to hear you all a touch more cautious. Is that a function of demand or pricing or all of the above?

John Moran

Yeah, maybe I’ll start and then ask the team to jump in here.

You know, from my perspective, we feel really good about the first half and our ability to kind of navigate some, you know, less than clear times. But we hear in competition really heating up here, particularly in the commercial real estate world. And I think that just, you know, shades our conservatism on the loan growth estimates. We’re just not going to go compete on price, we’re not going to go compete on structure. We’re not going to give up on the fundamentals that we think really matter here in this kind of market. So I think that’s why we’re just a little bit more cautious about kind of our full year outlook where maybe others are maybe more optimistic about it.

But we saw good C and I growth for the quarter, which we’re really pleased with. That’s an area we’ve been spending a lot of time on. And so to the extent that maybe it’s a little bit more competitive in the, in the commercial real estate market, maybe we can make it up a little bit for it. But I think that’s just where we’re at. You know, Jim Sandgren has a little bit on client sentiment. Jim, you want to talk a little bit about sentiment here lately? We know we just did a survey here.

Jim Ryan

Yeah, sure, Scott.

Yeah, we recently surveyed. We do this typically annually with all of our clients. And you know, while there’s still a lot of uncertainty out there, I think economic optimism is on the rise. And so I think our clients continue to be cautiously optimistic about their abilities to grow and invest in their businesses. So I think there’s some really encouraging things there. When you think about tariffs and trade policies, it certainly had less of an impact than originally thought. There might have been a little bit of inventory build early in the second quarter, but now that some of that clarity has come.

We’ve seen that kind of normalize. So I think optimistic, but. But given some of the increased competition, I think that’s why we’re looking at the lower end of the range.

John Moran

Scott, it’s John here. One other thing I might just add to that is a little bit of this is just a math equation. Right. So if you take the Trinet loan sale out of the first quarter results, we were kind of 4% in the first quarter. Second quarter here we’re just below 4% annualized. So to hit the top end of the range mathematically would suggest that we got to do kind of 8% growth in 3Q 4Q and we just don’t see that materializing given the competitive environment that Jim and Jim just referenced. Yeah, got it.

Scott Siefers

That all makes sense. And I appreciate the sort of the inside baseball on it. And then let’s see. John, maybe it was something you could kind of walk through. The linked quarter increase in NPAs. I’m talking about just dollar values there. It can always be a little tricky when there’s a merger involved, at least from the outside, to understand what’s happening at the legacy versus the combined companies. I know the bulk of your non accruals in the aggregate are from acquired books, but just maybe the sequential increase. If you could address that please. Yeah.

Jim Ryan

So dollar wise, a lot of that is just Bremer coming into the fold. Actually on a, on a, you know, against the entire balance sheet, NPAs as a percentage are down a little bit. Feel good about where we are. And so it’s really just a little bit of noise on closing the deal.

Scott Siefers

Terrific. Okay, good. Thank you guys, Appreciate it. Thanks, Scott.

operator

The next question comes from the line of Ben Gerlinger with Citi. Please go ahead.

Jim Ryan

Good morning, Ben. Good to hear from you.

Ben Gerlinger

You guys went through a lot of numbers, so I apologize if I missed it. I know you said new loan yields versus back book. I was curious. Could you just provide the spot rate on either loans or bonds?

Jim Ryan

Yeah. So spot rate versus what was sitting in the average balance sheets on this quarter. If you were to reflect that, you. Know, a full quarter of Bremer, we’d be looking probably 7 basis points higher than what was reported on securities. 5 basis points higher than what was reported on loans. And again, new money yields, you know, if you look at kind of 85% floating on loans, 15% fixed, the weighted average there gets you kind of I6s. Call it 6, 8. And on securities were mid fives in terms of new money. Yeah.

Ben Gerlinger

Yeah, helpful. Hate to ask the modern question first, but okay. So moving more towards the strategy perspective. When you think about kind of growth relative to the CRE loan sale not happening and then also capital, it seems like you’re a better capital position from the most deal close and then the non series sale kind of eats up into a little bit of that capital. The growth in the back half of. The year seems steady. By no means as robust as some peers, but I’m totally fine with that. When you think about this capital deployment and I know you said earnings projections are basically in line with consensus, so to me it’s like you’re two turns below peers with a projected Roth seat at basically 250 plus basis points better than peers. Is a buyback something we can expect this calendar year or is it kind of more so just building capital at this point?

Jim Ryan

I would lean you towards our past comments. I think we are interested in building a little bit of capital here and we’ve got a little bit of wood to chop with respect to our conversion here happening later this year.

But we are much, much closer to that decision today than we thought we would be just given capital came in so much better. So I think it’s something that’s definitely on the horizon for us and we’re going to take a hard look at it. But nothing to report right now. Really focused on just getting through the conversion and getting off to a really strong start for next year. Thanks Ben.

operator

Your next question comes from the line of Chris McGrathy with KBW. Please go ahead.

Chris McGratty

Good morning.

Jim Ryan

Good morning Chris.

Chris McGratty

Jim or John, just more broadly, what’s, what’s the deregulatory environment mean for Old national from here obviously there’s an expense equation but I’m interested in kind of you your opinion there. Thanks.

Jim Ryan

Yeah, I would say it’s very constructive. Right. I mean the conversation and tone is, you know, look, we’ve always enjoyed incredibly positive relationships with all of our regulators, but it’s just that much more constructive today, you know, for us going forward as an industry and us as Old National. I think we’re a couple months away from kind of really fully understanding it, you know, how any regulatory thresholds might change.

But that all seems like that’s on a positive trajectory. The best we can tell, you know, I think they’re really close to filling out all the agency heads which will just be allow the industry to move forward. You know, I’ve been personally involved with the ABA and the NBCA as you know, working on deposit insurance reform which I think is really important for the mid sized space and so we’ll continue to push for those reforms. But I would just say all of this is, all this tone is very much constructive. You know, all the same rules still apply, broadly speaking.

And so, you know, there’s no free passes anywhere. But it is more constructive and I think it’ll allow our industry to maybe grow, you know, where, where we want to grow going forward.

Chris McGratty

Thanks for that. And then just as a follow up, you mentioned threshold. I mean you’ve previously talked about not wanting to flirt with 100 in assets. Does that evolve over the next, you know, six to 12 months? Is that something, you know, you’re obviously working on the integration but do deals opportunistically make it more likely?

Jim Ryan

You know, I would just back point back to some of our previous comments.

We’re really focused on organic growth. We obviously got one in the hand here that we’ve got to get across the finish line and execute well. And we’re off to a great start there. And you know, it’s one of those things. There’s nothing, there’s nothing in our playbook right now. There’s nothing, we’re looking at. We, you know, I would just soon not test that water. And again, I don’t know what the thresholds are going to look like going forward. But the good news is we don’t have to do anything, right? We’ve got great organic growth opportunities.

We got top decile profitability ratios across the board here. So we got lots of flexibility just to continue to run this place and grow organically. If the perfect pitch comes along. And it makes a ton of sense, something like Bremer where it just made an absolute home run sense, we would absolutely have to take a look at that, as you would expect. But, but we’re not interested in going testing those waters anytime soon. And I do think we need, I think we need several more months before we understand exactly what that new landscape is going to look like.

Chris McGratty

Perfect. Thanks Jim.

Jim Ryan

Thanks. Appreciate the interest. Chris.

operator

Your next question comes from the line of John Armstrong with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Jon Arfstrom

Hey, thanks. Good morning.

Jim Ryan

Hey John, good to hear from you.

Jon Arfstrom

Yeah, thanks. Just a question back on the loan growth guide, John, you use the term active portfolio management and I’m curious what you mean by that. And then also curious on the characteristics of the CRE loans that you had planned on selling that you now may not sell. Does that fit typical OMB characteristics? So just kind of all in one active portfolio management in that 2.4 billion. Thanks.

John Moran

Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, active portfolio management. John, when you look at the reduction in classified and criticized out of the legacy old national book this quarter, roughly half of that was from, you know, total payoffs or refis away from the bank. And so we think that there’s still some more of that to come. Right. And you know, we’ve talked about this for several quarters now, really, deal by deal, loan by loan, getting in there and working that book. And so we remain really focused on that work and I think that’ll continue to be a feature in the back half of this year with respect to the $2.4 billion in commercial real estate loan sales. Very much similar to the way that we underwrote the way that we think about real estate. There could still be something opportunistically that we could trim, but I think that would look more like what we did in the first quarter with the Capstar TriNet book than something bigger or broader that we had originally contemplated back in November.

Jon Arfstrom

Okay, good, fair enough. And then you may have touched on this, but on slide 16 you flagged the 10.4 billion in deposit maturity time. Deposit maturity. Can you walk through some of the metrics around that again in terms of the cadence and kind of the cost of rolling off and the replacement costs?

John Moran

Yeah, sure. The bigger chunk of that actually comes in the next quarter. A little over five and a half billion dollars in the next quarter and then about 3 billion in 4Q in aggregate. You know, there’s going to be a little bit of a pickup on that book as it rolls. The bigger opportunities are in our brokered buckets. That’s about 2.4 next quarter. That’s hanging out in mid fours and that would roll with a more significant opportunity for us in terms of repricing down.

Jon Arfstrom

Okay, any idea of the magnitude on that? Just ballpark

Jim Ryan

on the broker piece. $2.4 billion in the next 90 days. 4 and a half ish is the current deal.

Jon Arfstrom

Okay, okay, thanks a lot. I appreciate it.

Jim Ryan

Thanks, John.

operator

Your next question comes from the line of Brian Ferran with Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Participant

Hi. Just to make sure I understand the EPS comments on the deal slide. So two things. One, when you say it’s modestly better than originally assumed, and I know it’s early days, so you probably even haven’t fully got into a lot of the underlying business, but is it just the 2.4 billion at the current moment, CRE loan sale, 2.4 billion that’s changed in that EPS, or is there anything Else you’re signaling in terms of other deal accretion. That’s better.

Jim Ryan

No. Yeah, no, not signaling anything. In addition, it’s just the $2.4 billion in commercial real estate offsetting and then just a little bit better than what was originally in the model on the rate mark. The rate mark being a little lower. So less paa. Right, okay. Correct. Yep.

Unidentified Participant

And then just the base we’re talking about. I mean, I think in the deal presentation it was 260 of EPS in 2026. It seems like the old national side is more or less tracking. So, I mean, can we just say 260 plus a little bit for this CRE sale is kind of the updated number. I think that’s fair to say, Brian. Yep. Okay. I guess that’s it. Yeah, I think that’s the only question I had. Thank you.

Jim Ryan

Thanks, Ryan. Thanks.

operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jared Shaw with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Jonathan Rau

Morning, Jared. Morning. Hey, thanks. Guess the only one left for me is just on the Fee Income guide and the outlook there. Anything to call out in terms of seeing strength. I mean, is a lot of that just coming from a little bit of a stronger mortgage base than expected or anything special to think of there?

Jim Ryan

Yeah, I think I can get it right. Mortgage was pretty good this quarter. Wealth continues to track along nicely as well. And then, you know, capital markets for us continues to be a pretty, It’s a small but good business for us. And this quarter looked, looked good there. And so we’re encouraged by the results that there. But yeah, I think, I think in terms of outlook relatively other than the upside captured from this quarter, relatively unchanged on the back half of this year.

Jonathan Rau

Great, Thanks a lot. Thanks, Jared.

operator

Your next question comes from the line of Terry McAvoy with Stevens. Please go ahead.

Jim Ryan

Good morning, Terry. Hi.

Terry McEvoy

Good morning, everybody. Maybe just the first question. Why wasn’t the second half 25 net interest income outlook increased given the decision to hold the CRE loans, or will we see more of that lift in 2026?

Jim Ryan

Well, it’s the, there’s a couple of dynamics at work there, Terry. Right. So the CRE loans coming in are very much offsetting kind of dollar for dollar, the lower marks that were ultimately realized as compared to what we had announced.

Terry McEvoy

And I guess on page 15, the positive earnings per share, when you talk about the larger balance sheet, offsets those marks.

I guess that, that’s behind my question. I’m trying to true up that sentence there.

Jim Ryan

Right. So if you, if you run that math out Right. There’s rough top $100 million in lower rate mark and a 50ish million dollar lower credit mark that was realized if you were to build that schedule out and kind of look at what would have come from that mark in the back half of, of 2025, the $2.4 billion in commercial real estate offsets the foregone income on the accretion marks.

Terry McEvoy

Perfect, thanks for that. And then I noticed you hired a new Chief investment officer earlier, maybe July 1st I think. Can you just talk about the technology investments? Jim, you made some comments about continuing to invest and meet your clients needs.

So any commentary there would be helpful.

Jim Ryan

Yeah, thanks Terry. Yeah, Matt Keane joined our organization. He was actually had recently hired as the CIO at Bremer Bank. So ironically we were in the market looking for a new cio. Our current one’s going to retire here towards the end of the year and we had one sitting there in Minnesota. So Matt is a great, you know, we did a search, you know, far and wide and Matt turned out to be the best possible candidate for us. So I think we feel really good about his experience and quite frankly we’re actually able to build a, continue to build and invest in the IT team right there in Minnesota.

We’ve just found great talent sitting there given the other larger institutions that are already there, plus the Fortune 500 companies. So that’s a nice win for us. But you know, as we’ve done early assessments around all of our technology, I think we feel really good around our technology stack. We continue to look for ways to build out a stronger ecosystem for the wealth management, the bankers to move kind of seamlessly across those platforms. Treasury management is an area we continue to invest in and look for ways to be better, particularly as we think about going upstream towards that upper middle market, you know, ways to connect more deeply within their systems.

But we don’t see, you know, any large gaps in any of our systems and we’ve got a long list, like everybody else does, of investments we want to make, but nothing that’s stopping us from being successful and building, you know, core deep relationships with our clients. So that’s the good news. You know, as we become a large institution, we’ll continue to invest in our own infrastructure, particularly around data. We’re obviously looking at AI very intensely right now and how AI could help shape all of our technology. But again, no gaps anywhere there, just an opportunity to continue to be better as we go forward.

And I think Matt is the right person to help lead us in that effort. So we’re excited about that. Obviously we have that technology partner emphasis which also comes alongside us and helps us really kind of think through a lot of our technology and ways to get more efficient, more effective. So I think it’s just all really positive and really glad to have, you know, Matt now we got Tim on the team as of today. So we got a full team and ready to go.

Terry McEvoy

Great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Jim Ryan

Thanks, Terry. Good to hear from you.

operator

There are no further questions at this time. I’d like to turn the call back to Jim Ryan for closing remarks.

Jim Ryan

Thanks, Eric. As usual, we appreciate everybody’s interest, appreciate the great questions, the whole team, John, Mike, Lynelle, Scott, we’re all going to be available for questions all day. Look forward to catching up with everybody. Have a great afternoon.

operator

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