Vornado Realty Trust Reit Q4 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Vornado Realty Trust Reit (NYSE: VNO) Q4 2025 Earnings Call dated Feb. 10, 2026

Presentation

Operator

Ram. Sam. Thank you for holding. Your conference will begin in five minutes. Thank you for your patience. Sa. Sa. Good morning and welcome to the Vornado Realty Trust fourth quarter 2025 earnings call. My name is Nick and I will be your operator for today’s call. This call is being recorded for replay purposes. All lines are in a listen only mode. Our speakers will address your questions at the end of the presentation during the question and answer session. At that time, please press star then one on your touchtone phone. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Steve Borenstein, executive Vice President and Corporation Counsel. Please go ahead, sir.

Steven Borenstein — Executive Vice President, Corporation Counsel and Secretary

Welcome to Vornada Realty Trust’s fourth quarter earnings call. Yesterday afternoon we issued our fourth quarter earnings release and filed our annual report on Form 10K with the securities and Exchange Commission. These documents as well as our Supplemental Financial Information Package are available on our website www.vno.com under the Investor Relations section. In these documents and during today’s call we will discuss certain non GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in our Earnings Release Form 10K and Financial Supplement. Please be aware that statements made during this call may be deemed forward looking statements and actual results may differ materially from these statements due to a variety of risks, uncertainties and other factors.

Please refer to our filings with the securities and Exchange Commission including our annual report on Form 10K for the year ended December 31, 2025 for more information regarding these risks and uncertainties. The call may include time sensitive information that may be accurate only as of today’s date. The company does not undertake a duty to update any forward looking statement on the call today from management. For our opening comments are Steven Ross, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Michael Franco, President and Chief Financial Officer. Our senior team is also present and available for questions. I will now turn the call over to Stephen Ross.

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you Steve and good morning everyone. Here at Vornado, business is good and getting better. As you all know, Vornado is a premier Manhattan centric office company and I’m sure we can all agree that Manhattan is clearly far and away the best office and residential too. By the way, real estate market in the country. As predicted on our recent calls, New York is now on the foothills of the best landlords market in 20 years. We believe this landlord’s market in Manhattan will continue to tighten and last for a long time. Fundamentals are truly outstanding. The best ever.

The long and short of it is that tenant demand from finance tech and most Other industries is extremely robust in the face of declining availability. In the better building subset, take a look at our assets. We have the Penn District, our city within a city, a roster of our other assets in the better building category where in place rents are well under market and market rents are rising. We have an irreplaceable portfolio of very scarce. Think scarce as hen’s teeth. High street retail assets on Fifth Avenue and in Times Square. We have the largest and most successful and growing large format signage business.

We have in house our wholly owned vertically integrated cleaning and security company. We have the best development program in town, highlighted by 350 Park Avenue, Penn 15 and now 623 Fifth Avenue. And most importantly, we have the best management team, leasing, development, finance and operations in the business. In short, we are a very focused Manhattan based office power specialist. And while not in Manhattan, let’s not forget 555 California Street. The best will be in rapidly recovering San Francisco where occupancy is 95% and rents are north of $160 per square foot. In the tower at Tornado, we had an industry leading quarter and an industry leading year in almost every performance metric.

And when I say industry leading, I mean better than the other guys. Here’s the scorecard. During 2025, Glenn and his team leased 4.6 million square feet of office space overall consisting of 3.7 million square feet in Manhattan, 446,000 square feet in San Francisco and 394,000 square feet in Chicago. This was our highest Manhattan leasing volume in over a decade and our second highest year on record. Excluding the 1.1 million square foot master lease of NYU, our average starting rents in Manhattan were $98 per square foot. We’ve marked the markets of plus 10.4% gap and plus 7.8% cash and with an average lease term of over 11 years.

For the second year in a row, Vernada was the clear leader in $100 per square foot leasing with 46 leases totaling 2.5 million square feet, or 2/3 of our activity. Penn1 and Penn2 led here with a total of 23 deals comprising more than 1 million square feet between both properties. In the fourth quarter, we executed 25 New York office deals totaling 960,000 square feet at average starting rents of $95 per square foot. Mark the markets for the quarter were plus 8.1% gap and plus 7.2% cash at an average lease term of 10 years. Yet this activity was for leases with over $100 per square foot starting rents 2025 results reflected the market’s growing appreciation for our transformation of the Penn District.

Tenants and brokers get it high quality office space, the best transportation literally on top of Penn Station, the region’s transportation hub and the plethora of amenities and hangout spaces are unmatched in 2025. At Penn2 we leased 908,000 square feet at average starting rent of $109 per square foot with an average terminal of 17 years. This includes 231,000 square feet leased during the fourth quarter, an average starting rent of $114 per foot with an average term of over 13 years, all well above our original underwriting. We have now leased over 1.4 million square feet of Penn2 since project inception, putting us at 80% occupancy.

Hitting the target which we guided to we expect to finish the lease up this year. Based on the leases we have executed and the activity in the remaining space, we we have increased our projected incremental cash yield from 10.2% to 11.6%. As you will see on page 22 of our supplement. At Penn One, we leased 420,000 square feet during the year at average starting rent of $97 per foot, also well above our original underwriting. Since the start of physical Redevelopment At Penn One, we have leased over 1.7 million square feet at average starting rents of $94 per foot.

At Penn Two, we have just 348,000 square feet of vacancy left to lease. At Penn One, we have 177,000 square feet of vacancy left to lease, plus half a million square feet of first generation leases still to roll over. The good news is that this will all generate income very shortly. At Penn11, we finalized two important leases during the fourth quarter as our major tenant there expanded by another 95,000 square square feet, bringing their total footprint to 550,000 square feet, and AMC Networks renewed for 178,000 square feet. In 2025, our office occupancy rose from 88.8% to 91.2%.

Let’s pause here for a minute and dig in. There has been some recent chatter about physical occupancy. Call it leased occupancy versus economic occupancy. Call it gap occupancy. Most look at the difference on a square foot basis. I prefer to look at it on a dollars and cents basis. The former leased occupancy is based on signed leases, including those not yet recognized by gaap. The latter gap occupancy represents leases that are recognized as paying GAP rent and for NATO the difference is over $200 million which is revenue signed and committed. That will be GAAP recognized over the next several years.

That number represents gross rents, but since the buildings are already paying full taxes and almost full operating expenses, that gross revenue number is very close to net. This income is pretty much of a sure thing. A word of caution to those who are modeling there are lots of in and outs that go into our financials and I suggest that you not use more than a 40 cent uptick in the 2027 year. Our new York office leasing pipeline remains robust with nearly a million square feet of leases in negotiation and various state and various stages of proposal.

Michael and Glenn will talk about this in a minute. Recognizing the shortage of large blocks in the better buildings we can make available at our bringing to market prime space of up to 380,000 square feet at Penn 1, up to 350,000 square feet at Penn 2 and up to 400,000 square feet at 1290 Avenue the Americas. We are making available to the marketplace what our clients need and want. Demand for our retail assets is robust and accelerated. Now turning to our development program, construction will commence in April, two months from now on our 1.85 million square foot 350 Park Avenue new build.

With Citadel as our anchor tenant and Ken Griffin as our 60% partner at our Penn15 site, we have been busy responding to anchor tenant requests for proposals for substantial blocks of space. We recently acquired two very high potential development assets in unique locations which I call in the middle of everything. 623 Fifth Avenue is a 383,000 square foot asset that was originally built to the highest standards by Swiss bank corporation as the US headquarters. Our asset sits on the top of Saks Fifth Avenue flagship and starts at floor 11 up to floor 36. We acquired the property in September for $218 million or $569 per foot.

Here’s why I think this is the best deal ever. The location is the middle of everything with unique light, air and city views. You can reach out and touch Rockefeller Center, St. Patrick’s Cathedral, JP Morgan Chase’s new headquarters and even our 350 Park Avenue. Just for the fun of it, take a look at this location on Google Maps. The building is substantially vacant which is a huge advantage to us as a redeveloper. Built in 1990, the building is modern. Our business plan is to create here the 220 Central Clark south of Boutique office that is the best of the best.

We acquired this asset for $569 a foot. The finished product, all in Soup to Nuts including tenant concessions, is budgeted at $1,175 per foot. We will be creating here a new Soup to Nuts building every bit equal to a ground up new build for half the price in a premium platinum location. We will deliver to tenants by the end of 2027 half the time of a new build. Recognizing that Saks Fifth Avenue now in bankruptcy has an uncertain future, I believe that any outcome to the Saks Fifth Avenue bankruptcy will be good for us and the punchline is at a 10% return on cost with say a 5% exit or measure of value, we will achieve a double or with leverage a 4 bagger or an 11 cent incremental increase to earnings.

In January we closed for 141 million on the acquisition of 3 years 54th Street a development site that is between 5th Avenue and Madison Avenue on 54th street adjacent to the St. Regis Hotel and our prime Upper Fifth Avenue retail properties. We previously acquired the $85 million mortgage on this property which accreted to $107 billion and that was credited towards the purchase price. The development site currently is owned for 232,500 square feet as of right and the location is excellent for hotel, office and residential uses. We are considering several options for the site and have already received interesting income on 34th street and 8th Avenue.

On 34th street and 8th Avenue we will develop a 475 unit rental residential building and expect to break ground in the fall of this year. My use of the word junkie in last quarter’s earnings got a lot of attention. I don’t know why. In any event, we will replace the Junkie retail on both sides of 7th Avenue along 34th street, the Gateway to our Penn District with more modern, appealing and exciting retail offerings. This will be another step forward and enhance what we have already accomplished at Pennsylvania. Our 50% owned Sunset Pier 94 with partners HPT and Blackstone, Manhattan’s first purpose built film studio facility has just opened and all six sound stages were immediately leased by Paramount and Deadflix.

These are short term releases but a great start. The Perch, a large glass pavilion on the rooftop of Pentu with indoor and outdoor food and drink, meeting and hanging space has been so well received that we did it again on the 17th floor. Setback at 1290 Avenue the Americas. This pavilion has just opened and together with a 10 stall five iron golf operation and new restaurants to come makes 1290 the single best building on 6th Avenue. And that’s in my opinion, and that’s a mouthful. We invite all of you to come take a look. Just call Glenn.

Our tenants love these spaces and they represent our continuing leadership and innovation in the hospitality side of our business. All to the delights of our tenants. Credit to Glenn and Barry for design and execution here. Not so long ago, $100 rents were rare. Now they are ubiquitous in the better buildings with some rents reaching $200 and even an occasional $300. Why? It might be, as I said, that there is a profound shortage of quote, better close quote space. Or it might be that the cost of a new build has doubled. It now costs say $2,500 per foot to build a new tower in Manhattan.

You can all do the math. Even at these higher ends, it’s touch and go to make a new tower pencil. And by the way, these new builds are multi billion dollar monsters, which are very difficult for most of the finance. Here at Vornado, we have always believed in maintaining a highly liquid cash heavy balance sheet. Our liquidity is 2.39 billion, comprised of cash balances of 978 million and our undrawn credit lines of 1.41 billion. Over the last several months, we extended maturities through 2031 on nearly 3.5 billion of debt. And we sold 500 billion or 5 1/3% 7 year bonds to pre fund the maturity of our 400 million 2.15% June 26 bonds.

Why do we go to market six months early? We follow the golden rule that it’s wise to take the money when the markets are wide open and welcoming. And that certainly allows us to sleep at night. We are pretty good at math and it’s clear to us that there is a huge disconnect between our stock price and the value of our assets. Accordingly, we have gently put our toe in the stock buyback water. Over the last few months, we bought back 2,352,000 shares for $80,000,000 at an average price of approximately $34 since our border authorization in 2023.

We bought back a total of 4,376,000 shares for 109,000,000, at an average price of approximately $25 per share. Think about this Tornado stock is a better buy today than it was at $15 three years ago. But as a believer in the predictive power of the stock market, I am certainly aware of the recent decline in our stock and in fact the decline in all real estate stock in our case, the decline was in the face of best fundamentals in Manhattan in the last 20 years. While this most likely represents a great buying opportunity, we will proceed with care.

Looking over our shoulder, there are few investments we can find that are more attractive right now than our stocks. If this disconnect continues, we will become more aggressive. As you can see from my opening remarks, we have a lot going on. I can tell you that the activity level in the market and in our office is double what it was. All good stuff at its fun. Now Michael, your turn.

Michael J. Franco — President and Chief Financial Officer

Thank you Steve and good morning everyone. Comparable FFO was $2.32 per share for the as previously forecasted, this was slightly higher compared to 2024 Comparable FFO and better than we had anticipated. At the beginning of the year fourth quarter comparable FFO was $0.55 per share compared to $0.61 per share for fourth quarter 2024. This decrease was primarily due to higher net interest expense and the lease termination income at 330 W. 34th St. In the prior year’s quarter, partially offset by rent commencements net of lease expirations, higher FFO resulting from the NYU master lease at 770 Broadway and higher NOI from our signage business.

We have provided a quarter over quarter bridge on page two of our earnings release and on page eight of our financial supplement. Overall company same store GAAP NOI was up 5% for the quarter while same store cash NOI was down 8.3%. As explained last quarter. GAAP is more relevant to earnings given the cash numbers impacted by free rent from the significant amount of leasing in recent quarters as well as the adjustment in cash rent related to the Pennone ground lease truck now turning to 2026. As we previously mentioned, we still expect 2026 comparable FFO to be in line with 2025 due to the anticipation of some non core asset sales in taking income off line in connection with our plans to redevelop 350 Park Avenue and the 34th and 7th retail at Penn first quarter will be more impacted due to gap rents ramping up throughout the year, higher interest expense from our recent bond issuance and some seasonality relating to our signage business.

As we previously indicated, we expect there to be significant earnings growth in 2027 as the positive impact from pin one and penn two lease up takes effect. We had indicated on prior calls that we expected to achieve New York office occupancy in the low 90s in 2026. We got there early. New York office occupancy increased this quarter to 91.2% from 88.4% last quarter due to the significant volume of leasing we accomplished principally in the Penn District. As we execute on our strong leasing pipeline, we anticipate that our occupancy will continue to increase over the next year or so.

Turning to the capital markets, the financing markets also recognize that the New York office market is back and performing at a level superior to any other market. The financing markets for these assets are very strong and liquid with CMBS spreads reaching their tightest level since 2021 and banks continue to expand lending for Class A assets with solid rent rules. The unsecured bond market also remains strong and continues to be constructive for office credits in the right markets with new issue spreads remaining tight. We took advantage of both these markets recently. As Steve mentioned, since last quarter we’ve been very active in refinancing our near term maturities and bolstering liquidity with nearly $3.5 billion of financings.

In addition to completing several mortgage refinancings, we also refinanced our unsecured term loan, upsizing the loan amount by 50 million to $850 million and extending the loan’s maturity date from December 2027 to February 2031. We also refinanced one of our two revolving credit facilities and upsized the second facility. So now we have one $1.13 billion revolving credit facility that matures in February 2031 and another $1 billion revolving credit facility that matures In April 2029. We very much appreciate the strong show of commitment from our banks and including a few new entrants to our facilities. We also took advantage of the strong conditions in the unsecured market and completed a $500 million seven year unsecured bond offering at 5.75% which was significantly oversubscribed.

A portion of net proceeds from these notes will be used to repay our $400 million senior unsecured notes to mature in June. In total, since mid-2025 we have refinanced or repaid almost half of our balance sheet, including almost all of our unsecured debt, terming out our maturities and putting our balance sheet on even stronger footing. Our net debt to EBITDA metric has improved to 7.7x from 8.6x at the start of the year and our fixed charge coverage ratio, as expected, continues to steadily rise. We expect these ratios will continue to improve over time as income from PIN one and Penn two comes online.

In recognition of the significant improvement we’ve made in our balance sheet metrics over the past 18 months. S& P recently changed their credit outlook on our company from negative to stable and affirmed our EEE minus unsecured rating. We are hopeful Fitch and Moody’s will follow suit as our balance sheet continues to improve. With that, I’ll turn it over to the operator for Q and A.

Question & Answers

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you have a question, please press Star then one on your touchtone phone. If you wish to be removed from the queue, please press Star then two if you are using a speakerphone, you may need to pick up the headset first before pressing the numbers once again. If you have a question, please press Star then one on your touchtone phone. Each caller will be allowed to ask a question and a follow up question before we move on to the next caller. And the first question will come from Dylan Brzezinski with Green Street.

Please go ahead.

Dylan Burzinski

Hi guys. Thanks for taking the question. Maybe just touching on the 350Park announcement in the release. Is there anything that’s changed in the structure at all versus what was originally disclosed back in, I think December 2022?

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

Good morning, Dylan. Thanks for joining. So. You know, in terms of the agreement, you know, Ken Griffin wanted to accelerate the option exercise, which we were fine with. And you know, in the course of that, you know, there were some amendments, you know, related to the overall deal. Nothing I would say tremendously substantive in terms of the economics. But it gave Vornado and Rudin the flexibility to effectively, rather than just a fixed equity percentage investing anywhere from, I think we put our percentage of 20 to 36%. So that’s the main change. A couple other minor things, but I think that was the most material thing.

But it’s a project, you know, we’re very excited about. He’s very excited about, you know, obviously in the filing the clock started, but we’re excited about it. And I know there were questions about the PUD or so on. You know, we intend to be part of this project.

Dylan Burzinski

Okay, that’s helpful. And can you guys kind of just talk about sort of yield expectations, what that implies on sort of a required rent level, just anything as it relates. To sort of the economics. And I guess is it still Citadel’s plan to sort of take down. I think it was like 50% initially.

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

So, you know, we’ll publish that as we get a little bit closer to that date. There’s a few things still moving around. But you know, as we, as we indicated originally, you know, There is a formula that determines Citadel’s rent. It’s effectively, it’s based on a premium to what permanent financing costs are with a cap and collar. So that was unchanged. Citadel still finalizing their space planning, but I would tell you in general, their appetite for space has grown from the original deal. So when we finish all that over the next few months, we will publish that.

But I don’t want to jump the gun just yet. Needless to say, we think it’s going to be an extremely attractive project economically. We think it’s going to be the best building in the city. And we think the space we’re going to have, Bill east, is going to command the highest rents in the city.

Operator

The next question will come from Steve Sackwell with Evercore isi. Please, go ahead.

Steve Sakwa

Yeah, thanks. Good morning, Glenn. Could you maybe just provide a little color on just kind of your overall leasing pipeline and, you know, the conversations that you’re having with tenants, you know, about space in the market today.

Glen J. Weiss — Executive Vice President, Office Leasing and Co-Head of Real Estate

Hi, Steve. So our pipeline continues to be really strong, and that’s even after leasing 3.7 million feet last year. As Steve said in his remarks, we’re creating opportunities of big box space within the buildings, namely at penn1and1290 to meet the market, have the inventory as we see tenants expanding and coming into New York rapidly with immediate needs. So those are all great signs in the pipeline. More than half of the activity are tenants that will be new to our buildings and the other 50% of renewals and expansions. We’re seeing financial services and the law firms expand a lot within the portfolio.

Right now, our first quarter leasing activity will reflect that. The tech tenants are also growing a lot, as you saw at Penn 11 last quarter. We’re seeing action everywhere. New York is hitting on all cylinders. Our team is hitting on all cylinders and coming off a huge year like we had last year, we don’t see any let up in that at all.

Steve Sakwa

Okay, thanks. And then maybe as a follow up, Steve, you mentioned the share buybacks and the disconnect with NAV and other property types. We are seeing, you know, some of the public REITs lean more heavily into dispositions and, you know, both paying down debt but using those excess proceeds to buy back stock. Is that something that you know, you would entertain more aggressively given where the stock is today?

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

Yes.

Steve Sakwa

Any other comments beyond yes,

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

double yes. We have a few assets up for sale which will generate capital. We think our stock is stupid cheap. I think in past years I said stupid, stupid, double stupid. So that’s double yes. And the stock is probably the single best investment we can make now, other than 6235, which is obviously I’m in love with.

Operator

The next question will come from Floris Van Dyke with Ladenburg. Please go ahead.

Floris van Dijkum

Hey guys, thanks for taking my question. My question is regarding the difference between your cash and gaap. Same store noi and I think Michael, you indicated that throughout the year this. Is going to inflect. Can you give us a sense of when that inflection point will happen and when your cash noi will turn positive?

Michael J. Franco — President and Chief Financial Officer

Good morning, Floris. You know, I think I said on the last call, it remains the case that we would start to see that flip over in 2H26. And that remains the case case. So I think you’ll see it improve quarter by quarter, but it won’t flip until the back half of the year when those tenants start, or many of those tenants start paying rent.

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

I mean the answer is when the very ugly and painful free rent burns off, that’s when the cash begins to become positive and start to reflect similarity to gaap. That’s coming and coming pretty soon.

Floris van Dijkum

That’s encouraging. My follow up question is regarding your retail, particularly your Upper fifth Avenue retail. Maybe could you talk about what’s happening to rents there relative to in place and maybe remind everyone what your in place rents are for your upper 5th Avenue JV and then potential monetizations for that. And I believe what’s happening with the 657 Fifth Avenue, I think that’s a new meta. Is that a permanent lease or is. That still a pop up lease?

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

Oh boy. There’s activity on the Meadow lease which will be, which really it’s inappropriate to talk about it now. So that’s step one, which involves the metastore going long term with respect to the leases generally. The retail market on Upper 5th and Times Square is improving dramatically and rapidly, but it is still struggling to meet the top tick rents of four or five years ago. It’s getting there, but it’s struggling.

Operator

The next question will come from John Kim with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Thank you.

John Kim

Steve, you gave some very interesting information. On the difference between the gap occupancy and lease occupancy. I’m assuming that $200 million difference is. Annualized, but I was wondering how much of that you expect to get by. The end of this year and by. The end of 27.

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

It’s actually not annualized. It’s an absolute number. And to be honest with you, my finance guys are sitting here right across from me shooting daggers at me. The number is higher than $200 million, but in an abundance of caution they wanted to keep it at 200 now. So $200 million is a slightly low number. It’s a one timer number and it feeds in as tenants go into gap. It feeds into gap as tenants either take occupancy or they meet the standards for GAAP recognition of income. So that’s what that number is.

It happens over the next as the leases mature. Not the trust. That’s the right word. That’s the leases.

Michael J. Franco — President and Chief Financial Officer

The tenants go back their spaces. Right when we can start recognizing gap revenue.

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

The gap recognition is the tenants have to either build out the spaces or take occupancy. That happens, you know, quickly over the next year or two. I don’t have a plot as to exactly how much per month, but a lot of it comes in the first year. Liabid comes in the second year. And I mean, but the interesting thing about it is that is income, which is in the bag. The leases are signed and it’s just a matter of a small amount of time as to when they go into gap recognition. Now the 40 cents that I put at the end of that paragraph is a kind of strange guidance for something that’s two years out, which is something we never do.

And so it’s kind of like strange. I wouldn’t rely upon it too much. It’s not a guaranteed certified, I’ll bet my life on it. Number, but it’s sort of a number. But the $200 million, which is a little bit more than that with 100% certainty, comes into income over the next number of years. Now the interesting thing about it is, which I tried to say is that the company, it’s a simple company, but the financials are sort of a little bit complicated. There are ins and outs. So there are some tenants that will move out.

There are other things which will affect earnings positively and negatively. But that’s, I think the story. Anything to add there, Tom?

Thomas Sanelli — Executive Vice President, Finance and Chief Administrative Officer

No, no, I think you said it. Thank you.

John Kim

For those of us who, for those of us who like to look at. Percentage terms that 91.2% leased occupancy. What is that in terms of physical or economic occupancy?

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

Well, it’s 92. It’s 90. Whatever. What is it? 91.2

Michael J. Franco — President and Chief Financial Officer

in New York City.

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

In New York, in Manhattan office, it’s 91 and change versus 88 and change. And by the way, we expect that occupancy number to go Up.

Operator

The next question will come from Yana Gallen with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Jana Galan

Thank you. Good morning. Maybe also following up on some of the strange guidance, if we could get some more details on 623 5th and did I catch in your comments that it could add 11 cents to FFO?

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

So I didn’t get the question.

Michael J. Franco — President and Chief Financial Officer

Six, two, five. What about comments on 11 cents to FFO?

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

Well, it’s just math. So you know, my guys are laughing at me, but I mean, I’m in love with this asset. I think it’s probably the best acquisition ever. So the building is basically empty. The prior owner was emptying the building out to convert it to residential. We think that that’s not the right program. We’re going to make it. Glenn’s assignment to me is make this thing the 220 boutique office, meaning the best of the best of the best, which will generate the best, the best income. So we believe that the finished product will cost 1,100 and change, say $1,200 a foot.

Rounding. And we believe that the net income on the project will generate a scant over 10%. Just I think we have on the supplement 10.1%. So if you say that the project cost $1,200 a foot and it’s going to have a 10% return, that’s an interesting number. Now we think if we can, if we sell that building, which I’m not saying we will or we won’t, it probably would command, if any building will command a 5% cap rate in the marketplace, it would be that building which starts on the 11th floor on top of Saks in a spectacular location.

By the way, I was being quite sincere when I said take a look at the location on Google map. It’s astonishing. So if you build it to a 10 and you sell it at a 5, that is basically a doubling of your money. Or if you put 50% leverage on it, that’s a quadrupling of your money. If, however, the value is in the income stream in the company, we think that that will generate a little bit more than an 11 cent incremental return. How do I get that number? $50 million of income, less the cost of capital on the $1,200 a foot cost yields 11% or slightly more than 11%.

I hope that answers your question. What?

Michael J. Franco — President and Chief Financial Officer

11 cents?

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

What did I say 11 cents? Sorry,

Jana Galan

no, thank you. That’s very helpful. And then just in terms of the development costs and you know, I think there’s debt on it now. That you probably need to term out. What are kind of your expectations on that?

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

We’re going to finance the building as we always do. It’s not a great deal of money, a couple hundred million dollars. We’re going to complete the project. We’re going to rent it out. One of the keys to it is that we will deliver for tenants probably the end of 27, which is less than half the time that it takes to build a new build at less than half the cost. So those are part of the financial metrics as to why I’m so excited about the project. When we get done with the project. We will. Keep it in our portfolio because we will expect that the rents will go up and up as time goes on, and we will finance it as we finance all of our projects.

Operator

The next question will come from Alexander Goldfarb with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Alexander Goldfarb

Hey, good morning. Morning, Steve. Can you guys walk through on 350 Park? Just. I know, Steve, you mentioned that it’s part of the guidance for this year and that on a recurring ffo, it’s flat. But can you just walk through sort of the mechanics of the income and how that is? There’s a master lease, but then you’ll capitalize it. So just want to understand the net effect, especially as we think about our 27 and what the carryover is from 350 going. Because you said you’re going to stay in the project. So just want to understand the full effect.

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

You’re talking about the transition from the existing 350 Park Avenue building, which will be taken out of service and demolished by starting next month, into a capitalized interest model. Is that right?

Alexander Goldfarb

Yeah. Yeah. Because I think there’s a master lease right now, right?

Glen J. Weiss — Executive Vice President, Office Leasing and Co-Head of Real Estate

There is. There is. So that’s going to terminate. It’ll be adjusted, I should say, when demolition starts, which will be April 1st. So the answer is there’s going to be a little bit of a negative impact in 26 as we transition from demo to full capitalization. And. Next year it will be capitalized, and it will be basically on par with what it was last year, but a little bit down this year.

Alexander Goldfarb

Okay. And then the second question is, Steve, on the dividend, you’re one of the few companies that still is paying a reduced stub dividend, if you will. You talked about your liquidity, you talked about improving on the balance sheet, the rent that’s coming online over the next few years, and yet there’s still a lot of capital projects that you have in terms of various Development projects. So how do you see the dividend versus taxable income and when do you see a full normal quarterly restoration of it?

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

Well, first of all, we may be one of the few companies, I’m not sure of that, but there is a hue and cry in the marketplace for people that are overpaying their dividend to reduce their dividend to conserve the cash. So we’re sort of aware of that. But nonetheless, as a large shareholder, our management team and our board has a high incentive to pay a normalized dividend. A normalized dividend is in relation to two things. The Internal Revenue Code requires that we pay out our taxable income. But also common sense says that we should pay to our shareholders something which approximates the income stream of a normalized business.

So it’s not impossible that our regular income would be higher than our taxable income. So we have an incentive to get back to a normal dividend as soon as we can, which will not be this year, by the way. And as soon as we get back to normalcy in terms of our income stream, getting all of the renting that we have done paid for with a free rent at the ti and get that all behind us, we will then revert to a normal dividend.

Operator

The next question will come from Anthony Pallone with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Anthony Paolone

Okay, thanks. I guess to my first question, I was wondering if you could help a bit with sources and uses of funds over the next couple of years because as I’m listening to this, you’ve got a couple of redevelopments that you now have teed up. You talked about, I think last quarter, maybe building an apartment project. Buybacks are a priority. Sounds like you’re going to be spending real money on 350Park in the next couple of years. So that gets underway. And just trying to add all this up and get a sense as to like, you know, sources and uses, basically.

Glen J. Weiss — Executive Vice President, Office Leasing and Co-Head of Real Estate

I mean, Tony, I can’t. Good morning. I can’t give you dollar figure by dollar figure. What I would say is, as you would expect, we’re not willy nilly frivolous, right? We have a capital plan, we know what’s in front of us and we have a business plan. Right? And that business plan is a combination of financings generally at the asset level, some asset sales, et cetera. And I would say in terms of development projects other than 623 which will be executed this year and next, the other projects are more back ended, particularly 350, where our capital, to the extent we invest above the land contribution which we don’t have to.

Although I think given the attractiveness of it, we will assume we will.

Michael J. Franco — President and Chief Financial Officer

We will right that capital, given that our partner has to true up with us first and the bank’s going to fund some of that. There’s no meaningful capital in 350 for several years. So the answer is we have a plan. We can do all the things that we’ve laid out and we’ve sold assets in the past. We have some things in the works and we’re confident that we can execute those. And we’re going to be, as Steve said in his opening remarks, we’re going to be mindful on the buybacks once we have the appropriate capital and to deal with everything else.

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

So look, we have a lot of things that we want to do which we think will create significant shareholder value. So one of them is buying back our stock, which is a separate thing which has to be done with care so that we don’t screw up our balance sheet, which we will not do ever. So one of the uses is buying back stock. So that’s sort of like a subtraction. We do that with capital assets available. The next thing is 350 park is a very important, we hope extremely successful project. The principal amount that we will be contributing to that is our land, which is free, you know, which is easy.

And then there’s 300 or $400 million above that in cash. That will represent our 40% interest or 36% interest. And so that’s not a great deal of money in relation to a $6 billion project because we’re only a 40% partner. So we have a 850,000 and growing anchor tenant that’s signed and we have a 60% partner. So the 350 project is a great project, which from a financial point of view is not as challenging as you would think. The 623 Fifth Avenue project is easily financeable. What else? The ti the most important thing we have from a capital point of view is the tis to put into occupancy and convert into gap rent.

The tenants that we’ve already signed, that money is already allocated.

Michael J. Franco — President and Chief Financial Officer

And then the residential project is, you know, that’s multifamily finances very well. We already have the land unencumbered, you know, that comprises a chunk of the equity and there’s not much cash above that.

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

So now the next part of it is. So that’s a little bit about the uses. Now the sources are, I would remind you that we have basically the income producing part of the Penn District is free and clear with no debt on it. So. And those buildings have now become more valuable as Glenn and his team have leased them up. So we have the Meta building in Moynihan free and clear. We have two pen free and clear. We have pen one free and clear. We have the pen 15 site free and clear and on and on.

So we have significant financing available to us should we need it or choose it. So that’s when without giving you a piece of paper, that’s a verbal description of our capital plan.

Anthony Paolone

Okay, thanks for all that. And then just my only follow up is 3:54. I was wondering what’s it cost to build a smaller building like that? I guess we’re getting used to well over 2000 bucks a foot for the larger avenue type developments it seems. Just wondering if there’s any appreciable difference in a smaller mid block asset like that.

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

A little bit less. A little bit less.

Anthony Paolone

Okay.

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

But not appreciably less.

Operator

The next question will come from Vikram Malhotra with Mizuho. Please go ahead.

Vikram Malhotra

Morning. Thanks for taking the question. So two ones. One, just to follow up. I want to just be crystal clear on the $0.40 going to next year. Is that an NOI comment incremental contribution? Is that sort of an FFO comment? Just how should we think about that? And maybe just other big picture moving pieces as we think about this massive earnings ramp.

Michael J. Franco — President and Chief Financial Officer

It’s ffo, Declan.

Vikram Malhotra

Okay. It’s ffo. Okay. Helpful. Just on street retail, I think the team hired Newmark and this sort of a re envisioning of Penn Station, Penn District street retail. I’m just wondering as you’ve thought about like the street retail portfolio there, is there like a broad range or like after doing all of this, what’s the noi uplift over the long term?

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

We haven’t split that out and we’re not really publishing projections on that. We will sometime in the short term future, but we haven’t done that yet. But you know, basically the Penn district is a. It’s a district, it’s office buildings, it’s retail, it’s events, it’s a gathering place, it’s the perch, it’s the town halls.

It’s a system of interaction and hospitality and workplaces which is important. Each plays off the other and increments the other and helps the other. So the retail is very important as a separate business, but it’s extremely important as it affects our demand for the office space.

Operator

The next question will come from Nick Ulico. With Scotiabank, please. Go ahead.

Nick Yulico

Thanks. Good morning. First on Penn 2, I was hoping. You could just remind us about for the leases that were done so far when they’re set to commence. I think MLS was assumed early this year and then I guess the bulk is sort of 2027 beyond. But I guess in relation to like the 80% lease number that you give for that asset, just how to think about when that will actually turn into GAAP? Noi, I guess how much of that 80% actually is fully in 2027 as you’re talking about that ramp next year.

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

That’S actually a question about detailed guidance, which, as you know, we don’t do.

Michael J. Franco — President and Chief Financial Officer

The only thing I’d say, Nick, is that Penn2, more of it will be online in 27 and 26.

Nick Yulico

Okay, then. I mean, just in terms of the commencements this year then, what is it is I think MLS was assumed, what, early this year. Is there anything else that’s listed there from the tenants in the sup where their leases haven’t commenced that you expect commencement this year?

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

I would make a suggestion. Call Tom Wofli and see if you can wrangle that in that answer out of him, which I doubt you will. I mean, you know, you can use your own judgment. I mean, these are big leases and they will come on, you know, in the next six months. If they don’t come on in the next six months, they come on in the next 12 months. From my point of view as an investor, really doesn’t matter that much. So they’re coming. Whether they come three months sooner or three months later. You know, that’s interesting but not dispositive.

But call Tom, see what you can get out of tomorrow. He’s sort of laughing, by the way. He’s waiting. He’s anxious for your call.

Operator

The next question will come from Ronald Camden with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

We’re going back a minute. Going back a minute. I was really not trying to be anything other than responsive to your question for a company that really doesn’t do detailed month by month guidance. So with respect, cold talk. Next question.

Unidentified Participant

Hey, guys, this is Matt on Ferran. Thanks for taking the question. Just going to the New York office, TIS and LC’s as a percentage of initial rent. I noticed that ticked up in the quarter. I was kind of wondering what the drivers were and how we could think about the trend for the rest of 2026.

Glen J. Weiss — Executive Vice President, Office Leasing and Co-Head of Real Estate

Hi, it’s Glenn. It’s certainly not a trend. It was an outlier quarter. We made a couple Deals where we stretched the TI with not as much term on the leases as we would have liked, but we wanted the tenants in these buildings for reasons. We love the tenants, we love their credit profile and they were great users for the assets, but not a trend at all. I expect we’ll go back to the. We’ve been around 12, 13% over the last few quarters and I think concessions will tighten going forward here this year. Free rent already starting to come down and TI’s are really starting to squeeze.

So short answer, not a trend at all.

Unidentified Participant

Got it. And then just as a follow up, I noticed the projected cash yield on Sunset Pier 94 declined despite what looked like solid leasing activity on the property. Could you talk about, like what the drivers of that were.

Michael J. Franco — President and Chief Financial Officer

Reality, which is our business, by the way. The streaming business has some challenges, as you all know and read about in the papers. And I mean the fact that we leased 100% of the space at the opening. They’re short term leases. They’re not even a year long. So that’s an interesting thing, but not indicative of the future. And it’s just a matter of being realistic in our projection as to what the yield on the project will be. So the 10% went down to 9% as a result of reality.

Operator

The next question will come from Brendan lynch with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Annabelle Ayer

Thank you. This is Annabelle Eyre on for Brendan Lynch. How should we think about the expected retention rate on the remaining 2026 expirations, especially the 600,000 square feet in the fourth quarter? And are there any larger blocks of space that you would call out?

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

Great question, Glenn.

Glen J. Weiss — Executive Vice President, Office Leasing and Co-Head of Real Estate

Hi, it’s Glenn. We feel really good about the expirations this year. We’re on top of all of them. As you would expect, on the larger block expirations, we expect two of them to renew. So we feel good about our expiration schedule. We’ve taken care of huge expirations over the past three years. So if you look forward 26, 27, we’re in great shape. So I think we’ll be more than fine as it relates to attacking the future expiration.

Annabelle Ayer

Thank you.

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

As you can tell from all of our remarks today, we’re extremely constructive about the office market in Manhattan. We believe that it is tightening. We believe that rents are going up. And by the way, rents are going up more rapidly than TIS or tenant inducements are going down. So our projection is, and I don’t know if Glenn can give you his opinion is that free rent can go down because that’s a discretionary item tis will probably not go down because the cost of construction of the tenant spaces is not going down and it’s in fact going up.

So we believe the easiest is for the rents to go up. The second is for free rent to go down and TI’s are going to be very, very sticky. Do you agree with that?

Glen J. Weiss — Executive Vice President, Office Leasing and Co-Head of Real Estate

I agree with that. Although I will tell you on the.

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

Ti’S careful now because you have to produce the results.

Glen J. Weiss — Executive Vice President, Office Leasing and Co-Head of Real Estate

On the tis, we’re definitely squeezing them in terms of not being as flexible as we were. So I think the first signal is they’re not going up for sure. We’re squeezing them at these ranges that we’ve been seeing in hopeful they’ll come down. Although I agree with Steve, generally free rents are coming down and that’s been more easy to manage with the deal making for sure.

Operator

Thank you. The next question will come from Seth Bergey with Citi. Please go ahead.

Seth Bergey

Hi, good morning. You know, I kind of wanted to go back to 350 Park. I think in your opening comments you mentioned that, you know, Citadel kind of had an appetite to take additional square footage. I think they were kind of set to occupy around 850,000. Just could you kind of quantify how much more they would, you know, be looking to take or, you know, are you in any other kind of conversations about pre leasing space in that building?

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

Look. The Citadel relationship between Citadel and Vernado is important. These are conversations that are still taking place. The Citadel team is still making up their mind as to what exactly their requirements are. And so as soon as we know and they become firm and agreed to, you will know.

Michael J. Franco — President and Chief Financial Officer

But not now. On the second part of your question, the energy and excitement around the spec. Office space is excellent. So we’re presenting the project to many tenants as small as even 50,000ft. So when you think about it, tenants who are expiring 31, 32, 33 are already asking us to present the project. That’s how much excitement there is in the market. There will be nothing like this available in New York. And people realize that. They recognize that between us and Citadel and Ken Griffin, this will be the best building built in the city by far.

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

And by the way, you can tell we’re pretty damn proud of it.

Seth Bergey

That’s helpful.

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

I’d like to try and end up today as close to 11 o’ clock as we can. So it’s 11 o’ clock now. So how many more questions do we have?

Michael J. Franco — President and Chief Financial Officer

This is it.

Steven Roth — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer

This is it. No more questions, really. Well, anyway, thank you all very much for joining us. We’re very excited about the business. We’re very active. The activity level, as I said, is palpably double what it was even as recently as a year ago. And thank you all very much for your support. We’ll see you at the next quarter.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.