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Mind Technology Inc (MIND) Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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Mind Technology Inc (NASDAQ:MIND) Q4 2023 Earnings Call dated Apr. 20, 2023.

Corporate Participants:

Ken Dennard — Chief Executive Officer

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

Mark Cox — Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Analysts:

Tyson Bauer — KC Capital — Analyst

Ross Taylor — ARS Investment Partners, LLC — Analyst

Presentation:

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the MIND Technology Fourth Quarter 2023 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions]

It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Ken Dennard. Thank you. You may begin.

Ken Dennard — Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the MIND Technology fiscal 2023 fourth quarter earnings conference call. We appreciate all of you joining us today. With me are Rob Capps, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Mark Cox, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

Before I turn the call over to Rob, I have a few housekeeping items to cover. If you’d like to listen to a replay of today’s call, it will be available for 90 days via webcast by going to the Investor Relations section of the Company’s website at M-I-N-D-technology.com, mind-technology.com, or via recorded telephonically and an instant replay feature until April 27th. Information on how to access the replay feature was provided in the yesterday’s earnings release. Information reported on this call speaks only as of today, Thursday, April 20th, 2023, and therefore, you are advised that time-sensitive information may no longer be accurate as of the time of any replay listening or transcript reading.

Before we begin, let me remind you that certain statements made by management during this call may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements are based on management current expectations and include known and unknown risks, uncertainties, and other factors, many of which the Company is unable to predict or control that may cause the Company’s actual future results or performance to materially differ from any future results or performance expressed or implied by those statements. These risks and uncertainties include the risk factors disclosed by the Company from time-to-time in its filings with the SEC, including on its Annual Report Form 10-K for the year ended January 31st, 2023.

Furthermore, as we start this call, please also refer to the statement regarding forward-looking statements incorporated in our press release issued yesterday, and please note that contents of our conference call this morning are covered by those statements.

And now, with all that behind me, I’d like to turn the call over to Rob Capps. Rob?

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

Okay, thanks, Ken. As we did last quarter, we have prepared an updated presentation covering our discussion this morning, and we’ve posted it to our website. And invite you to refer to that at your leisure. Today, I’ll begin by discussing our fourth quarter 2023 results, as well as our current view of market conditions. Mark will then provide a more detailed update on our financials. I’ll then wrap things up with some remarks about our outlook.

We’re very pleased with our fourth quarter results. As expected, we saw a significant improvement in almost all financial metrics. Revenues were up 230% year-over-year and 154% sequentially. More importantly, we produced positive net income and adjusted EBITDA, something we’ve not done since we transformed the company. As anticipated, we executed on our backlog, which resulted in significant top line revenue of $12.4 million. Despite the significant increase in revenues, we maintained and even increased our backlog.

As of January 31st, our backlog of firm orders stood at $20.7 million compared to $13.1 million at the end of fiscal 2022 and $19.9 million at the end of last quarter. We think this bodes well for fiscal 2024 and indicates favorable trends. In fact, since year-end, we’ve booked significant new business, including more than $7 million in new orders we announced earlier this week. We’re also pursuing a number of other orders and are confident we’ll be successful on many, if not most.

We are encouraged by the favorable macroeconomic trends, coupled with strong customer engagement and order activity. We believe that the current market environment is advantageous for MIND. We continue to see substantial tailwinds in each of our three key markets, exploration, defense, and survey. And our team continues to find innovative ways to adapt our products to meet the evolving needs of our customers. This sustained customer demand and interest we’ve seen across all of our end markets continues to underpin the growth of our book of business, which is evident by our current backlog.

Now, I know that our liquidity position has been a concern for many of you, especially in light of the working capital demands that come with increases in business. Since January 31st, I think we’ve made some significant progress in that regard. As previously reported, we entered into a $3.75 million secured financing arrangement back in February to assist with the execution of our growing backlog of business. We were adamant about securing a form of financing that didn’t contain extensive restrictions, such as financial covenants or limitations on use of proceeds and we didn’t want the financing to create dilution to our equity holders. Additionally, we’ve seen the benefit from the increases in revenues in the fourth quarter and that has continued into the first quarter to a large degree. Cash flow from this activity has contributed to improvements in our liquidity.

And now, I’ll let Mark walk you through the fourth quarter and full year financial results in a bit more detail. Mark?

Mark Cox — Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Rob, and good morning, everyone. As Rob mentioned earlier, revenues from continuing operations totaled $12.4 million in the quarter, a 230% increase when compared to the $3.8 million in the same period a year-ago. We saw improvement from both the Seamap and Klein product lines. In fact, revenues from our Klein products were greater this year than any year since we acquired Klein. Full year revenue amounted to $35.1 million, which was up approximately 51% over the previous year and represents the highest annual revenue ever for the Marine Technology Products segment.

We did have a couple of unusual or non-recurring income and expense items in the quarter, which netted a small gain. We recognized $986,000 of other income during the quarter, most of which related to employee retention credits. In cost of sales, we recorded about $610,000 of non-recurring expenses comprised of a $250,000 inventory impairment charge and a $360,000 settlement related to a vendor dispute. Full year gross profit from continuing operations was $13 million, which was up approximately 115% when compared to the prior year period. This represents a gross profit margin of 37% for the year and 11% increase from the 26% we achieved during 2022. The incremental year-over-year revenue resulted in greater overhead absorption and a much improved gross profit margin.

Our general and administrative expenses were approximately $3.7 million for the fourth quarter of 2023, which was roughly in line with the $3.6 million from the third quarter. As we’ve mentioned in the past, our G&A expenses tend to be front-end loaded as we incur higher payroll taxes, professional fees, and travel-related expenses in the first few months of the year. We expect this trend to continue in 2024. Subsequent to year-end, we eliminated certain positions and took other actions to control cost. We estimate that these actions will result in a reduction of expenses of up to $1 million annually. Our research and development expense for the fourth quarter was $708,000, which was down approximately 16% from our third quarter. Consistent with prior periods, these costs are largely directed toward our strategic initiatives, including synthetic aperture sonar and passive sonar arrays.

Our income from continuing operations for the fourth quarter of this year was $445,000 as compared to a loss of $5.1 million in the fourth quarter of 2022. Our fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations was approximately $1.4 million compared to a loss of $4.5 million in the fourth quarter of 2022 and a loss of $2.7 million in the third quarter of this year. As of January 31st, 2023, we had a working capital of approximately $13.6 million and cash of approximately $778,000.

As noted in Rob’s opening comments, we have seen an improvement in our liquidity since year-end. Rob also mentioned, we recently entered into a $3.75 million secured financing arrangement. This agreement, which is secured by certain real estate assets, has a one-year term with extensions available under certain conditions. We intend to utilize these funds to support the timely execution of our backlog of business.

I’ll now pass it back over to Rob for some concluding comments.

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

Okay, thanks, Mark. We’re encouraged with our fourth quarter and full year results, and given the current state of our backlog and the strong customer engagement that we’re experiencing, we’re optimistic that we’ll be in a position to maintain and improve our elevated revenue momentum in the coming quarters.

As we look forward to fiscal 2024, we’re excited about the opportunities that lie ahead. As we have traditionally seen, there will likely be revenue variation between quarters due to a variety of challenges that are often out of our control, but the favorable market trends, robust customer interest and growth of our backlog continues to give us confidence that sustainable higher-level revenue is achievable. Of course, this is not without inherent risk. Supply chain issues, tighter vendor credit requirements, evolving delivery requirements, government contracting processes, technical and production challenges, all things we must deal with everyday and can impact production in order deliveries.

Nonetheless, we feel good about where the Company sits today, and we believe that our development programs will continue to positively contribute. We currently expect our first quarter revenues to look similar to our fiscal 2023 fourth quarter. However, I want to reiterate that every quarter may not necessarily generate the same level of revenue. There may be certain unforeseen circumstances that cause orders or deliveries to slide to the right. That being said, we do believe that the general trend we want of increased revenue.

Now, earlier this month, we announced the deferral of our fourth quarter preferred stock dividend. We took this action in addition to the financing we secured in February to address liquidity demands required to complete our near-term backlog as well as other expected orders. As we’ve noted in the past, there is a level of uncertainty surrounding the timing of cash flows. So it was important that we address our liquidity in a non-dilutive way and preserve our financial flexibility as we work to fulfill orders of varying sizes and timelines. We expect to resume payment of dividends, including any previously deferred, at some point, but do not yet made a decision as to the timing of that.

In closing, we maintain our belief that MIND Technology is exceptionally well-positioned to continue capitalizing on the favorable market conditions and macroeconomic environment in fiscal 2024. The growing backlog is a strong indication that our differentiated Marine Technology Products are in increasing customer demand and we intend to build upon that momentum to generate sustained high-level revenue in the coming quarters, which we believe will drive meaningful shareholder value.

And with that, operator, we can open the call up for some questions.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

Thank you. We will now conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Tyson Bauer with KC Capital. Please proceed.

Tyson Bauer — KC Capital — Analyst

Congratulations, gentlemen.

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

Thanks, Tyson.

Tyson Bauer — KC Capital — Analyst

It’s been a while and a nice way to start the morning. It seems like you are fairly confident on the top line that you’ve got that situation, taking care of we’re at least in a much better position as we move forward and especially backlog is backing up your statements. On the margin side, we’ve always talked about how well your contribution margins are for incremental revenue. Didn’t quite see that in the quarter. Is that primarily due to bidding for business to get those revenues in place or did supply constraints narrow some of those expected margins and that should improve as we go in the subsequent quarters?

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

Yeah, I think a couple of things. The unusual items that Mark talked about the inventory impairment and the vendor settlement in cost of sales, so that impacted that gross margin. So that’s one factor in the fourth quarter. There is no doubt that the supply chain situation has had an impact, having to buy components from non-traditional sources from brokers, things like that, increases the cost. And as we’re able to see more clearly the production plan and that’s where the backlog really helps things a lot because we can see what’s happening. I think we’re able to be much more effective in our purchasing, and therefore, they can drive cost down. So I think we will see improvement there.

Tyson Bauer — KC Capital — Analyst

Okay, and does that also then entail a much better cash conversion now that we’re at a more steady-state and expectations for top line and the backlog supporting it?

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

It certainly helps, not saying that problems have gone away, it’s something we continue to work. It’s — one thing, you could be more aggressive with your suppliers from a payment standpoint, and with your customers for that matter, than you can do some things from a margin standpoint. So it’s still something we’re having to work everyday, but the situation definitely has improved.

Tyson Bauer — KC Capital — Analyst

Okay, so still in the woods, but we can see the tree line.

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

I guess, that’s a pretty good way to put it.

Tyson Bauer — KC Capital — Analyst

Okay, preferred dividend, expectations are at some point in fiscal ’24, I would assume, before you hit the six deferments where then the Board of Directors change. Is that kind of the deadline that you’re viewing is to make-whole before that six deferment, and if so, what criteria needs to occur? And would you use that capital accordion feature you talked about to resolve the deferred dividends?

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

Yeah, so just to clarify, the issue with the Board is, if we miss or defer six quarterly payments, then the preferred holders have the right to appoint two Directors. It doesn’t mean they necessarily will, but they do have the right to do so, so just to clarify that. Our objective is to give back current prior to that point sometime during the year. I don’t think there are any specific criteria, mainly we need to look at what’s our overall liquidity situation to make sure we can continue to execute on the backlog, So as we’re able to handle cash flows or cash flow needs for that execution in a more traditional way then I think that will give us the flexibility to do some things with the preferred.

Tyson Bauer — KC Capital — Analyst

Okay, and on the financing, given what was in the public arena, as far as appraisal values for those real estate assets that was online, you drew $3.7 million, it’s not necessarily a line of credit, per se, but there are features there that can allow you to draw more against those real estate assets. Do you have the full availability to go up to that $10 million or somewhere where you have plenty of flexibility?

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

Certainly not to that full amount. I think there is flexibility and it’s not specifically defined. And we think there is some flexibility there, but it’s not to that magnitude.

Tyson Bauer — KC Capital — Analyst

Okay. The pipeline seems very robust and it seems to be across renewable energy, just the old — I guess, you call it the old world energy still and defense, obviously. Are there any haymakers that are involved in that pipeline that are kind of game-changers, along with a steady flow of just consistent business?

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

I’m not sure I’d put it that way. I think there are some potentially significant orders. I think we’ve announced a couple of those and things of that magnitude, maybe a bit more even. But I wouldn’t say that there is a haymaker, as you put it, but I think it’s more of a steady-state of business, which frankly is a better thing for us, we’re able to manage that much more effectively.

Tyson Bauer — KC Capital — Analyst

Okay, on the defense side, we’re starting to see improvement on the Klein results. Have we started to see some dividends pay-off from that Europe JV, and will Sweden, if they are included in NATO, accelerate that relationship and make it more fruitful?

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

I don’t think NATO has an impact in one way or another, frankly. So I don’t think that’s a factor. We — that partnership is going well. It hasn’t contributed revenue to date, so it’s not in the numbers you’re looking at now. So that’s upside for sure. And we are seeing improvement across the board in both our commercial as well as our governmental business.

Tyson Bauer — KC Capital — Analyst

Okay, during the quarter, you put out a press release regarding patent award. What benefit do you see, and does that then somewhat protect your intellectual technology where you can now start adding some layers around that?

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

That relates to our [Indecipherable] looking sonars or gap filler solution for our side scan sonar, so I think the industry has known about that for a while. I think we’re — that certainly protects our position there, prevent someone else from coming up with a similar solution. So we have a very unique solution now in the marketplace and starting to see some real traction with that particular product, that’s embodied in what we call our MA-X VIEW 600 right now and really starting to see some traction with that product here starting late last year and going into this year.

Tyson Bauer — KC Capital — Analyst

Okay, so synopsis of revenue seems to be, we’ve gotten that hurdle, the backlog is supporting margins, we expect improvement as we go forward. Are you now in a position, liquidity-wise and self-sustaining, where, I don’t want to say the word comfort, but you’re a little less sleepless nights?

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

I never sleep very well, Tyson. But again, we certainly are on much firmer ground now, having the — having a good book of business and knowing that it’s going to be there next month as well, that certainly help things a lot. I think we’re seeing improvement and development in new markets. The release we put out this earlier this week about the wind farm installations, that’s really a new market or a new application, if you will, which has a lot of traction in the marketplace both for wind farm installations as well as carbon capture installations. So we see our products in demand for those sort of applications. So again, just broader applications I think that’s helping to drive some of this top line optimism.

Tyson Bauer — KC Capital — Analyst

Well, that sounds good, and this has been probably one of the best conference calls we’ve had in a while, so congratulations.

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

Okay, thanks. Appreciate it, man.

Operator

Our next question comes from Ross Taylor with ARS Investment Partners. Please proceed.

Ross Taylor — ARS Investment Partners, LLC — Analyst

Thank you, and congratulations on the rebounding numbers. I wanted to kind of get down to some other issues. First, you talked about the fact you haven’t yet generated revenues out of the military relationship you have with Saab[Phonetic]. Could you give us an idea of what kind of the timeline you’re looking at? Are you in conversations with people at this point in time? And what’s the sticking point, why haven’t we’ve been able to take that relationship and turned into a revenue stream yet?

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

Well, I’m not going to comment on the name of the partner that we’ll go forward from there.

Ross Taylor — ARS Investment Partners, LLC — Analyst

There is the photo, though, their engineering.

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

Ross, it’s a complicated development project. I mean, that’s the answer.

Ross Taylor — ARS Investment Partners, LLC — Analyst

Okay.

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

So these things aren’t easy, otherwise everyone can do it. So just a matter of when we’re ready to actually deploy that. We are in conversations with more than one, multiple end users for these applications in a couple of different embodiments of the technology. So yeah, we thought we might be there this past year, and again, it just didn’t happen for varying reasons because again these things are hard and things develop and we want to make sure it’s right before we put in the marketplace. But we’re very happy and our partner is very happy with what we’re seeing from all the testing and sea testing we’re doing. So I feel good that in this coming year we’ll start to see benefits of that.

Ross Taylor — ARS Investment Partners, LLC — Analyst

Did any of that sea testing involve looking for things that might have fallen from the sky if that had been made in China or the bottom of the —

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

No, no, not for this.

Ross Taylor — ARS Investment Partners, LLC — Analyst

Not for this. Okay.

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

I’m not saying that we may not have been involved in that — those activities, but not for this particular technology.

Ross Taylor — ARS Investment Partners, LLC — Analyst

Not for that technology, okay, but I get the idea that it might have been other technology. What’s the amount of arrears dividends at this point in time?

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

It’s about $940,000 a quarter, so $3.8 million roughly.

Ross Taylor — ARS Investment Partners, LLC — Analyst

That’s a fairly substantial portion of the overall value of your equity. It seems to me that we really need to get the preferred dividend out of the way — the arrears out of the way in order to kind of start to maximize the value of the common shareholder, and so I would strongly encourage that be something that’s expedited as quickly as possible because, I mean, with the market cap around $7 million, $8 million at the open today, having that size of a chunk that’s owed to the preferred is just kind of standing in the way of us getting the value I think we — this company is truly worth. So I would encourage you to get that behind you.

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

Understood, understood.

Ross Taylor — ARS Investment Partners, LLC — Analyst

Okay. And other than that, as I said, looking at opportunities pushing forward, what are you seeing in areas like — there had been talk in the past about mapping the oceans, the Pacific Ocean and the like. Are you seeing an increased demand for that and are you seeing increased interest in utilizing your technology in unmanned undersea vehicles or unmanned surface vehicles for military purposes?

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

Yeah, actually for military and commercial, for that matter. I think we’re seeing a move in the commercial world towards unmanned vehicles in many cases, as well as manned crude vessels. Ross, I think we’re seeing that interest really across the board. Certainly, on the defense or maritime security side, there’s — with world events, that certainly has been driving some activity. There’s no doubt about that. As I mentioned earlier, some of the things developing in the alternative energy market is driving some demand for a number of our products, frankly. And kind of some different embodiments, different applications for our technology, I think, is increasing markets for us, plus the traditional energy markets continue to be quite strong. So I think all those things are driving it. So it’s really not one or two things, it’s fairly broad at this point.

Ross Taylor — ARS Investment Partners, LLC — Analyst

Okay, well, good luck pushing forward. I hope this is the year we get to finally see the breakthrough in the profitability and get enough liquidity we can get that preferred dividend out of the way, so the common can start to actually trade on this value.

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

You bet. Appreciate it, Ross. Take care[Phonetic].

Operator

We have a follow-up from Tyson Bauer with KC Capital. Please proceed.

Tyson Bauer — KC Capital — Analyst

I promise to make it quick. Just going through your presentation. A couple of different slides mentioning your demonstrations for the US Navy and various capacities. Under what nameplate is that occurring? And — because I doubt if it’s directly Klein with the US Navy, you’re using some partners or Class 1 contractors, those things in that regard. And is your technology being used in isolation or as an add-on to existing vehicles that are being in use by the US Navy?

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

Okay, so I think you’re referring to our Sea Serpent or our passive array demonstration we did with Coastal Trident last summer. That actually is — we have an entity called MIND Maritime Acoustics, which you’ve not heard much about because it’s not been very active. So we actually do that business through that entity for some regulatory and export control reasons. So it’s not Klein, it’s not Seamap, it’s something a bit different. That demonstration was done directly with the Navy with some partners in that a company called MarTech[Phonetic] supplied the vessel that we towed the streamer, the array from. BAe, British Aerospace, provided a target vehicle, a vehicle that replicates or acts like it’s a submarine, so that’s the target we’re looking. So that was the demonstration. So we were forefront in there, but we didn’t have partners in it. We’re seeing what I think is a great deal of interest from a variety of parties for that technology, not just for a towed passive streamer, but also for fixed installations on seabed. I think our technology, which is taking our SeaLink Streamer technology and modifying that to work in this environment, which we call Sea Serpent, really fits well for fixed installations on the sea floor. And we’ve actually been running a test on the sea floor off the coast of New Hampshire for a year-and-a-half years now, so we have quite a bit of data from that. So that’s a pretty interesting area for us, one you should not see any revenue from yet, but I think we’ll start to see some contribution again as we go into this year.

Tyson Bauer — KC Capital — Analyst

Okay. And is that a situation where the technology, as long as it gets approved, then any kind of vehicle manufacturer, whether it be Huntington Ingalls or it’s somebody else you’re more or less spec’ed in, were they then come to you to include it in their overall contracts?

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

Yeah, so it’s not quite like that, Tyson. I mean, we certainly are or selling through typically some other integrator, so it’s not like the Navy is going to say, okay, on every vehicle, you need to use Sea Serpent, it’s going to be application-specific. But that’s potentially a big, big market for us.

Tyson Bauer — KC Capital — Analyst

Okay. But it’s not necessarily the US Navy is buying directly from you, it is that —

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

Correct

Tyson Bauer — KC Capital — Analyst

— they are more or less putting in whatever they do that, okay, it has to have what you’re providing?

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

Exactly right. So it’s a two-pronged sales effort. You got to work with the integrator and the vehicle manufacturer, but you have to have the Navy as the end user eventually or whatever the commercial customer might be as well because there are applications for commercial installations, offshore platforms, harbor facilities, things like that. So it’s not just military.

Tyson Bauer — KC Capital — Analyst

Okay. And these typical contracts are ones that we’ve seen other defense people make announcements on where you can have an overall fairly healthy size of the contract with kind of a base amount that they can utilize those contract terms to expand throughout a given time period, correct?

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

Yeah, sometimes you’ll see it in that structure.

Tyson Bauer — KC Capital — Analyst

Okay. All right, that sounds wonderful. Thank you.

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

Thanks.

Operator

This concludes the Q&A portion of the call. I will now hand the call back to Rob Capps for final remarks.

Robert P. Capps — President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director

Just want to thank everyone for joining us today and look forward to talking to you again at the end of our first quarter later this year. Thanks very much.

Operator

[Operator Closing Remarks]

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