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FuelCell Energy, Inc. (FCEL) Q3 2021 Earnings Call Transcript

FCEL Earnings Call - Final Transcript

FuelCell Energy, Inc. (NYSE: FCEL) Q3 2021 earnings call dated
Sep. 14, 2021

Corporate Participants:

Thomas Gelston — Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Michael Bishop — Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Secretary, and Treasurer

Anthony Leo — Executive Vice President, Chief Technology Officer

Analysts:

Jeffrey Osborne — Cowen and Company — Analyst

Colin Rusch — Oppenheimer — Analyst

Laurence Alexander — Jefferies — Analyst

Praneeth Satish — Wells Fargo Securities — Analyst

Noel Parks — Touhy Brothers — Analyst

Vaibhav Vaishnav — Coker and Palmer — Analyst

Eric Stine — Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC — Analyst

Presentation:

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the FuelCell Energy Third Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Tom Gelston, Senior Vice President of Finance and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thomas Gelston — Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

Thank you, Carol. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on today’s call. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. This morning, FuelCell Energy released our financial results for the third quarter of fiscal year 2021, and the earnings press release is available on the Investor Relations section of our website at fuelcellenergy.com. Consistent with our practice, in addition to this call and our press release, we will post slides presentation on our website. This webcast is being recorded and will be available for replay on the company’s website approximately two hours after we conclude the call.

Before we begin our prepared comments, please direct your attention to the disclosure statement on Slide 2 of the presentation and the disclaimers included in the press release related to forward-looking statements. The discussion today will contain forward-looking statements including without limitation, statements with respect to the company’s anticipated financial results and statements regarding the company’s plans and expectations regarding the continued development, commercialization and financing of its fuel cell technology and business plans. These forward-looking statements are intended to qualify for safe harbor from liability established by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. All statements made on this call today other than statements of historical facts are forward-looking statements and include statements regarding our anticipated financial and operating performance.

Forward-looking statements made on this call represent management’s current expectations and based on information available at such time statements are made. Forward-looking statements involve numerous known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause our actual results to differ materially from any results predicted, assumed or implied by the forward-looking statements. We strongly encourage you to review the information in the reports we filed with the SEC regarding these risks and uncertainties, in particular, those that are described in the Risk Factors section of our Annual Report on Form 10-K and cautionary statement language concerning forward-looking statements disclosure in our quarterly report on Form 10-Q. You should also review the section entitled cautionary statements concerning forward-looking statements in this mornings earnings press release. During this call, we will use non-GAAP financial measures when we talk about the company’s performance and financial condition. In accordance with SEC regulations, you can find a reconciliation of the non-GAAP measures and the comparable GAAP measures in this morning’s earnings release and the reconciliation document posted on the Investor Relations portion of our website.

For our call today, I’m joined by Jason Few, FuelCell Energy’s President and Chief Executive Officer; and Mike Bishop, Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer. Following our prepared remarks, we will be available to take your questions and be joined by other members of the leadership team.

I would now like to hand the call over to Jason for opening remarks. Jason?

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Thank you, Tom, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us on our call today. We had a number of successes during the third quarter as we continued executing against our Powerhouse business strategy. Before getting into the business highlights, I will give a brief company overview shown on Slide 3.

Looking at our last full fiscal year ended on October 31, 2020, we delivered revenues of approximately $71 million comprised of our three largest revenue categories, servicing licenses, advanced technologies and generation, all of which represent diversified sources of recurring revenue under multiyear contracts. In addition to those three revenue categories just mentioned, we are confident that we will regain meaningful incremental revenue from product sales in the future. In the near term, we see opportunities developing in international markets including Asia, Europe and in target customer segments domestically.

We have been taking steps to rebuild our business development and go to market capabilities as an essential step in the strengthened pillar of our Powerhouse business strategy to ultimately support growth. We have also been adding experienced strategic talent as we continue to focus on market segments that deliver long-term growth opportunities, which we believe will position us to re-enter targeted global markets, expand client relationships and build new ones by focusing on key customer segments.

Our company headcount is currently 380 team members and growing. We’ve had many global customers who are utilizing our multi-feature fuel cell platforms. Many of these systems integrate combined heat and power capabilities, creating high energy efficiency levels. Other installations enable microgrids, enhancing grid resiliency and reliability. Some of our application utilize biofuels resulting in carbon-neutral to carbon negative power and eliminating on-site flaring.

Now turning to Slide 4. As a company, we are committed to our purpose of enabling the world to live a life empowered by clean energy. The world will always need reliable power created in an environmentally responsible manner. We are periodically and increasingly reminded by fires, hurricanes and other extreme weather, that grid reliability remains a critical issue that can’t be taken for granted. We are committed to providing solutions that deliver on our commitment to addressing climate change and deliver clean baseload power ultimately around the world.

Today, according to the WHO, more than 1 billion people are without access to reliable power. With our broad product portfolio, FuelCell Energy is uniquely positioned to assist customers with decarbonization goals, leverage a wide range of feedstock, and to meet the challenge of ensuring energy reliability and infrastructure resiliency. Our customers can and should be able to achieve each of these objectives. We believe the goal of decarbonization does not require deindustrialization, and that developing countries around the world should also participate in economic development alongside industrialized nations. Instead of non-onsite solutions that rely heavily on credits or offsets, our technology provides authentic and local solutions for clean energy and has the future promise to decarbonize industries less suited for electrification. We believe strongly in the ability for customers to make a direct impact in the communities in which they operate, directly reducing the need to rely on offsets that can originate thousands of miles away.

And as we look to the future, we plan to deploy our unique and differentiated energy solutions to generate hydrogen through electrolysis and or fuels, store that hydrogen and utilize that hydrogen to firm up intermittent renewables, repower transportation, power existing combustion generation assets with hydrogen and provide clean hydrogen as a source of energy to the industrial sector. We do this in a manner which supports high standards of living and economic growth, while protecting the environment and adapting to new resource challenges. This purpose continuously drives our strategic focus and the work we are passionate about doing.

Next, I would like to turn your attention to some key messages for the quarter shown on Slide 5. First, I am very pleased to announce that during the quarter we began commercial operations at the 1.4 megawatt biogas project at the San Bernardino, California wastewater treatment facility. On a 7.4-megawatt project at the U.S. Navy Submarine Base in Groton, Connecticut, we have achieved mechanical completion and executed the Interconnect agreement. During the commissioning process, the final stage prior to commercial operation, a localized and contained elevated temperature was observed inside a component of one of the two installed plants. And as a result, the commissioning process was suspended. This has delayed the overall commissioning timeline for the platform as we prepare the gasket seals and insulation. Our team has identified the root cause and is in the process of applying improvements and preventative upgrades as well as implementing the necessary repairs to the plant. We expect to resume commissioning on this project in late September, but timing is dependent on non-FuelCell Energy related activities on navy base. Our intent is to achieve commercial operations as expeditiously as possible.

We are also continuing to make significant progress on other new projects in our backlog, totaling 24.5 megawatts. On-site civil construction activity has advanced on our 14.8 megawatt utility scale platform in Derby, Connecticut, and our 2.8 megawatt utility scale Shared Clean Energy project is in early stage development. In addition, the construction of our 7.4 megawatt project in Yaphank, Long Island, which is shown on the right hand side of the slide continues. Our 2.3 megawatt TriGen hydrogen platform, which is being built at the Port of Long Beach in California has advanced to early site civil construction. Upon its completion, this multi-feature platform will deliver carbon-neutral electricity, green hydrogen and pure water, helping our customer, Toyota, avoid water consumption in a region experiencing extreme drought conditions and provide a central distributed hydrogen fueling infrastructure to enable the continued growth of hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicle transportation.

Second, we have further enhance our balance sheet to achieve an overall lower cost of capital across our platform and subsidiaries. To strengthen our liquidity and financial flexibility, in June we commenced an at-the-market offering program with Jefferies and Barclays Capital to offer up to $500 million of our common stock. Through July 31, 2021, we sold approximately 44 million shares under the open market sales agreement, generating net proceeds to the company of approximately $369 million. We plan on using the net proceeds from this offering to accelerate the development and commercialization of our advanced technology products and for product financing, working capital support and general corporate purposes. Additionally, we recently closed on two tax equity transactions. One is a tax equity sale leaseback financing transaction with Crestmark Equipment Finance for the 1.4 megawatt biofuels FuelCell project with the City of San Bernardino Municipal Water Department in California. This marks our second deal with Crestmark. The transaction total was $10.2 million through a 10-year sale leaseback structure and demonstrates what we believe is a continued interest from the financial markets in FuelCell Energy’s differentiated technologies. And we closed on a tax equity partnership flip financing transaction with East West Bank for the 7.4 megawatt fuel cell project located on the U.S. Navy Submarine Base in Groton, Connecticut. East West Banks tax equity commitment totals $15 million. The ability to utilize these financing solutions enables us to recycle capital for additional clean energy projects and commercialization initiatives.

And the third key message today is our focus on strengthening our leadership and sustainability. We have increased our commitment to research and development, focused on the commercialization of our solid oxide power generation, hydrogen storage and hydrogen electrolysis platforms as well as growing our commercial capabilities. Our DOE supported programs continue to advance the design of our solid oxide stacks, stack modules and balance of plant system. We are also executing programs to develop reversible solid oxide systems for energy storage and very high efficiency solid oxide power generation system.

Through our technology portfolio, we are developing solutions intended to address major global issues as society looks for ways to address climate challenges, while at the same time combating grid reliability issues. FuelCell Energy remains focused on developing and deploying our distributed generation, distributed hydrogen, electrolysis, hydrogen energy storage and hydrogen power generation and carbon capture product portfolio solutions for some of the largest global energy opportunities.

Turning to Slide 6. FuelCell Energy is positioned to deliver decarbonization solutions across the energy delivery value chain. We believe energy must be delivered in distributed networks where it is needed, which will decrease dependencies on less efficient and less environmentally friendly centralized resources, help to harden grid infrastructure around the world and lower the dependence on costly long distance high voltage transmission. Our distributed platforms offer clean baseload alternatives to traditional generation resources, avoid more emissions on a 24/7 basis wind and solar. And as we commercialize our hydrogen solutions, our platforms will offer the opportunity to extend the life of existing investments in traditional generation assets by repowering with hydrogen and or capturing carbon from those generating assets.

At the local distribution level, we enhance grid resiliency by delivering microgrid applications, citing generation closer to where it is consumed and providing onsite solutions for commercial applications ranging from power generation, hydrogen, thermal energy and carbon as a product ingredient for utilization. The multi-feature capabilities of our product and proven ability to operate using a variety of fuel sources supports distributed baseload generation and growing demand for hydrogen, carbon capture and energy storage. FuelCell Energy is ready to transition power delivery around the world.

And now, I will turn the call over to Mike to discuss our financial results in more detail, Mike?

Michael Bishop — Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Secretary, and Treasurer

Thank you, Jason. Let’s begin by reviewing the financial highlights for the quarter shown on Slide 7. In the third quarter of fiscal year 2021, we delivered revenues of $26.8 million compared to $18.7 million in the third quarter of fiscal year 2020. Looking at revenue drivers by category. Service agreements and license revenues increased 102% to $14.3 million. The increase is primarily due to the fact there were more module exchanges during the quarter. Module exchanges generated approximately $13.4 million of revenue in the current year quarter compared to revenue of $6 million in the prior year quarter.

Generation revenues increased 32% to $6.2 million for the quarter from $4.7 million, primarily due to higher operating output of the generation fleet portfolio as a result of investments in maintenance activities and an increase in our fleet size. Advanced technology contract revenues for the quarter decreased 9% to $6.2 million from $6.9 million. Advanced technology contract revenues recognized under the Joint Development Agreement or JDA with ExxonMobil Research and Engineering Company, or EMRE, were approximately $100,000 higher than in the comparable prior year quarter, reflecting continued performance under the JDA. This increase, however, was offset by $800,000 less revenue recognized under government contracts compared to the prior year period.

Gross profit for the third quarter of fiscal year 2021 totaled $1.1 million compared to a gross loss of $3.1 million in the comparable prior year quarter. Higher gross profit for the quarter was the result of higher service gross margin primarily due to the more new module exchanges for projects with higher margins during the current year quarter, improved generation gross margin related to an increase in revenues and a decrease in depreciation expense, and lower manufacturing variances primarily as a result of increased production volumes. These were partially offset by lower advanced technology gross margin primarily related to the mix of government contracts in the quarter.

Operating expenses for the third fiscal quarter of 2021 increased to $11.7 million from $7.6 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2020. Components of our operating expenses are administrative and selling expenses totaled $8.7 million in the third fiscal quarter of 2021 and included legal expenses associated with the tax equity financings as well as additional share-based compensation of $500,000 due to non-cash grants made in August and November 2020 under our long-term incentive plans and increased compensation expenses as a result of an increase in staff compared to the prior year period.

Research and development expenses totaled $3 million in the third fiscal quarter of 2021 and reflect increased spending in the company’s hydrogen commercialization initiatives compared to the comparable prior year period. Net — the loss from operations totaled $10.6 million in the third fiscal quarter of 2021 compared to $10.8 million in the comparable period — in the comparable prior year period. Net loss improved to $12 million in the third fiscal quarter of 2021 compared to a net loss of $15.3 million in the comparable prior year quarter due in part to higher gross margin for the third fiscal quarter of 2021 compared to the comparable prior year period. Additional contributing factors included lower interest expense as a result of the early repayment of the Orion facility, and the fact there was no charge for the change in fair value of the common stock warrant liability, partially offset by higher operating expenses for the period and the fact there was no gain on extinguishment of finance obligation recorded in the quarter as there was in the comparable prior year period.

The net loss attributable to common stockholders in the third quarter of 2021 was $0.04 compared to $0.07 in the third fiscal quarter of 2020. The lower net loss per common share was due to higher weighted average shares outstanding due to share issuances since July 31, 2020 and the lower net loss attributable to common stockholders. Adjusted EBITDA totaled negative $5.2 million in the third fiscal quarter of 2021 compared to adjusted EBITDA of negative $5.6 million in the third quarter of 2020. Please see the discussion of non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA in the appendix of this deck and our earnings release.

Next, please turn to Slide 8 for additional details on our financial performance and backlog. The chart on the left hand side of the slide graphically shows the numbers we just reviewed for the third quarters of fiscal years ’20 and ’21. Looking at the right-hand side of the slide, we finished the quarter with backlog of approximately $1.3 billion, reflecting the continued execution of backlog and adjustments to generation backlog primarily resulting from the decrease in fuel pricing which lowered estimated future revenue, offset by the inclusion of the project with United Illuminating in Derby, Connecticut, which was awarded in the second quarter of this fiscal year.

Now turning to Slide 9, I will build upon Jason’s comments on our enhanced liquidity. As he mentioned, our at-the-market sales of common stock resulted in net proceeds of approximately $369 million during the quarter. Subsequent to quarter end, we closed a tax equity sale leaseback financing transaction with Crestmark Equipment Finance for the San Bernardino project, and a tax equity partnership flip transactions with East West Bancorp for the U.S. Navy Navy Submarine Base project in Groton, Connecticut. These financings will further enhance our liquidity position.

All of these actions are consistent with our Powerhouse business strategy to strengthen liquidity with the goal of enabling us to focus on executing our business plan, including building out the backlog of generation projects, commercializing advanced technology platforms, including our solid oxide platform carbon capture and separation solutions and expanding our go-to-market activities.

As of July 31, 2021, we had total cash and cash equivalents of approximately $494 million. This total includes approximately $468.6 million of unrestricted cash, represented by the blue bar on the chart in the center of the slide and $25.5 million of restricted cash and cash equivalents, represented by the green bar. On the right hand side of the slide is a chart illustrating our total project assets which make up our company-owned generation portfolio.

We intend to continue to develop, construct and grow project assets. Investments to date reflect capital spent on completed operating projects represented by the gray bars and capital spent on projects currently in development and construction represented by the light blue bars. At the end of the third quarter of fiscal year 2021, our gross project assets totaled approximately $238.3 million.

As detailed on Slide 19 in the appendix of this presentation, our generation portfolio totaled 76.1 megawatts as of July 31, 2021 This includes 34 megawatts of operating assets and 42.1 megawatts of projects and process. Projects and process begin commercial operation. They are expected to contribute higher revenue and adjusted EBITDA. Additionally, as these future projects come online, we expect to see additional long-term tax equity financing, such as the examples I previously discussed. In closing, we are pleased with the progress made this past quarter and from a financial perspective, we believe we are well positioned to execute on our near, medium and long-term business plans.

I will now turn the call back over to Jason to discuss further.

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Thanks, Mike. Moving to Slide 11. As we’ve laid out in our comments today and over the past several quarters, we have been successful in increasing liquidity and an attractive cost of capital, which we intend to reinvest to achieve sustainable growth. We will continue to execute against our project backlog and as projects are completed, this will expand our generation portfolio, which we expect will generate higher revenues and EBITDA. As I have already discussed, we are also making investments toward advancing our solid oxide platform and carbon capture solutions to commercial deployment.

To facilitate growth across all of our platform technologies, we are working toward the goal of achieving an annualized manufacturing production rate of 45 megawatts at our Torrington facility by the end of the calendar year, up from 17 megawatts at the end of fiscal 2020. With our focus on manufacturing excellence, we have made strides and continued adoption of lean manufacturing principles and implementation of advanced automation technologies where feasible. This increased production rate has also been facilitated in part by our effort to bring in additional talent and expertise across several key areas of the business. In addition to manufacturing personnel, we have recruited for key capabilities in support functions, business development and engineering, while also improving our retention capabilities.

Next, on Slide 12, I’d like to give further details specifically regarding our investment in strategic talent, because advancing and elevating human capital management is critical for the next phase of our growth. In particular, I would like to highlight some additions to the leadership team. This summer, Betsy Schaefer, assumed the role of Chief Marketing Officer, and she brings with her considerable Fortune 50 experience in Corporate Communications, Marketing and brand management. We believe that she will help us articulate our value proposition to customers and prospective customers alike, as well as educate national and local policymakers on the value of fuel cell technology and it’s a central role in the energy transition.

We have also brought on board Andrea Jones, our Chief Peoples Officer. She will play in a central role in helping us recruit, develop, retain, adapt to a new work model, and enhance our human capital resources as we continue on our journey of growth, and ensure we are well positioned to compete for talent.

We are also continuing to add expertise across all areas of the company to grow the commercial team to build our sales pipeline, add product engineering, manufacturing and project management capabilities and increase our base service capabilities as our product installed base continues to grow.

Additionally, I am delighted to officially welcome our two most recent Board members, Cynthia Hansen and Donna Sims Wilson, which expands our Board to seven directors, six whom are independent. Cynthia and Donna are respected executives in business today and will add tremendous value to our company as we execute our strategy.

Next, on Slide 13, is our Powerhouse business strategy, which is based on three core pillars of transform, strengthen and grow. I won’t go through each of these today, but I think it is important that we remain centered around our overarching strategy to penetrate significant market opportunities where we believe our technology will win.

We introduced the Powerhouse business strategy in January of 2020 when I was relatively new to the position of CEO. This strategy was intended to serve as a guide post for our turnaround, as we reposition FuelCell Energy to capitalize on the energy transition and I think it has served us well. We have built a durable financial foundation and our added liquidity provides the flexibility to fund our growth plans and effectively compete in the marketplace. We are developing new technologies, growing our production capabilities and capacity, delivering on our backlog and continuously striving to improve our operational excellence and deepen customer relationships. I am energized by the focus and resolve of the FuelCell Energy team as we continue to grow our company to attain our vision of a world empowered by clean energy.

Looking at Slide 14, we will continue to drive progress toward our long-term targets and goals for fiscal year 2022 that we established with the launch of the Powerhouse business strategy. Reaching these targets will require successfully executing against our 42.1-megawatt project backlog, achieving commercial operation for each of those projects and driving new topline revenue and margin as we invest in commercializing and human capital.

As I have explained throughout my comments today, we are pursuing commercializing our advanced technology around distributed generation, distributed hydrogen, long duration hydrogen energy storage, pure hydrogen power generation, electrolysis and carbon capture sequestration and utilization.

Finally, to conclude my remarks on Slide 15. We have executed several strategic actions to strengthen our balance sheet, enhance liquidity and reduce our cost of borrowing, which we believe have positioned the company to execute on our growth strategy. I am backed by an exceptional leadership team and we continue to add to our talent pool across the company. We are focused on taking care of our customers, achieving our financial goals and continually building upon our operational excellence, while adhering to our core purpose. Our technologies have a key role to play in the global goals of decarbonizing the grid, developing the hydrogen economy and supporting existing energy and industrial infrastructure investments with differentiated carbon capture solutions.

We are two years into our Powerhouse strategy to strengthen our business, maximize operational efficiency and position us for long-term growth. Although we have hit a few bumps along the way, we remain on track and confident that we can achieve our plan. Finally, we intend to be a leader in sustainability and environmental stewardship through the technology we deliver and the full circular life of our platforms, and we’ll will provide an update on our efforts and evolving strategy during future calls.

I will now turn the call over to Carol to begin Q&A.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

Thank you so much, Jason. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Jeff Osborne with Cowen.

Jeffrey Osborne — Cowen and Company — Analyst

Hey, good morning, guys. I just had the two questions for you, Jason. One is, I was wondering if you can quantify or qualify the product sales you mentioned that you expected near-term momentum there, but can you just give us a sense of the quoting activity in some of the new partners that you might be working with, how they’re positioned in terms of financing and some of the other challenges that lead to some of the long — return to products that they’re developing for projects?

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Good morning, Jeff. Thanks for joining the call. Yeah, let me try to give you a sense of that. We spent a lot of time rebuilding our pipeline as part of our Powerhouse business strategy. And with that, we’ve talked a lot about the timeline of the sales cycle for the megawatt scale class projects that we actually pursue, being roughly in 18-montyh to 24-month type window. We are in very good position we think in terms of that pipeline and the opportunities that we’re working on across multiple customer segments, leveraging the multi-featured capabilities of our product, which is really what we’re really focused on driving.

So as we look to the coming fourth quarter, we anticipate that we’ll have a lot more to say about customer wins on our actual business. As you know, one of the things that we changed shortly after my arrival was how we talk about projects in our backlog and what we’ve moved to is only putting in our backlog, actual signed contracts or in the case of PPAs, fully executed PPAs. So as we move these things to our pipeline and get through contract negotiations and get design committed contracts, we have a lot more to say about about those projects.

Jeffrey Osborne — Cowen and Company — Analyst

That’s great to hear. Look forward to. Just one quick follow-up, just given the increased headcount in the new executives that you have on board, coupled with the changes in fuel prices, I was wondering, Mike, if you can remind us or give us some guidance as to what we should think about the breakeven levels are, assuming product revenue is zero at the current run rate? What megawatt portfolio do you need — is that 50-megawatt, 60 megawatt. So any color you can have would — or add would be helpful.

Michael Bishop — Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Secretary, and Treasurer

Yeah, good morning, Jeff, and thanks for joining the call. So what we at the beginning of the Powerhouse business strategy, we did put out long-term targets that we were targeting by the end of fiscal 2022 to get the business-to-EBITDA positive. And really the tenants are being able to do that, executing on the strategy, building out the backlog of project assets that we have and we continue to make progress there. Obviously, with San Bernardino coming on line this quarter. So you’ll continue to see revenue increase from our generation portfolio and obviously the EBITDA that comes along with that. So our expectation is that we’re still on track to achieve EBITDA positive end of next year as we continue to execute on the business plan.

Jeffrey Osborne — Cowen and Company — Analyst

Got it. Is that at a certain megawatt level or just based on time? I didn’t know how to think about the…

Michael Bishop — Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Secretary, and Treasurer

It’s really the megawatts to support building out the backlog and continuing to provide modules to the fleet. So the production rate that we are ramping to today is 45 megawatts by the end of the calendar year and that will support the business plan in front of us as we go forward.

Jeffrey Osborne — Cowen and Company — Analyst

Got it. That’s all I had. Thank you.

Michael Bishop — Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Secretary, and Treasurer

And certainly to the extent that there is additional opportunities as Jason mentioned, we have capacity in the factory of up to 100 megawatt. So we could continue to ramp as additional opportunities evolve.

Jeffrey Osborne — Cowen and Company — Analyst

Yeah. Thank you.

Michael Bishop — Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Secretary, and Treasurer

Okay, thanks.

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Carol, are there any other questions.

Colin Rusch — Oppenheimer — Analyst

Hey, guys. I didn’t hear that you. Thanks for having me on. I was wondering about the investment in R&D and what you’re doing to accelerate learning cycles? I think exciting to hear some of these new products coming to market, but want to understand kind of structurally what you guys are doing with that R&D effort to help move things along and get those products into the market as soon as possible?

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Colin. Thank you, good morning, and thanks for joining the call. Maybe I’ll start and then I’ll ask Tony, our Chief Technology Officer to chime in a bit here. But you know, part of what we’re doing is really focused on the talent that we’re bringing in to help accelerate the commercialization process, in addition to the investing that we’re doing outside of what traditionally in some of our — like our solid oxide platform has been a lot of DOE funding, we continue to benefit from. But we’re making more investments there to speed up the commercialization process. The other thing that we’re doing is more rapid prototyping and testing, and Tony can talk about some of the work that we’ve already done around electrolysis and moving toward the work that we’re doing around reversible solid oxide as well.

Anthony Leo — Executive Vice President, Chief Technology Officer

Yeah, Colin, this is Tony. So what we — as Jason indicated, we’re basically utilizing DOE funding. In the case of carbon capture, the Exxon funding and our internal R&D funds to bring these new technologies to market and the prototyping for example that Jason mentioned is we’re operating a solid oxide electrolysis demonstration system right now in our Danbury labs. It’s a completely integrated system producing hydrogen from power and water. It’s hitting all of its performance objectives and the plan is to run it for another few months and then convert it to what we call reversible. We’ll add hydrogen storage, we’ll add some equipment and we’ll take the hydrogen store in the tank and send it back [Technical Issues] application.

So these initial demonstrations basically trigger a larger demonstrations. You may recall, we have funding for 250 kilowatt demonstration at Idaho National Labs that we’re building right now. And that’s — so we’re moving down the demonstration to prototype path to commercial production with a mix of external funding as well as our own internal funding.

Colin Rusch — Oppenheimer — Analyst

Great, that’s super helpful. And then just with the restructured balance sheet, congratulations on getting all that done. I want to get a better sense of how that’s changing your conversations with customers? I think, Jeff was getting after a little bit earlier. But with this level of equity relative to your debt position and a view towards you being EBITDA positive, have you been out talking with customers about that dynamic and how is that changing the conversations with folks in terms of being able to move things along towards full peers.

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Yeah, no, Colin its a great question. Yeah, it obviously is a big help in the customer conversations. One of the things that you know true about the fuel cell business and certainly amongst the stationary fuel cell providers is the uniqueness of the various technologies, and so our position be in a much stronger balance sheet position is definitely helpful in terms of customers as they think about selecting our technology because core to that decision is the long-term nature of the relationship that we established with the customer and that relationship is typically over 20 years on that — on each purchase decision the customer make. So being able to demonstrate viability, being able to just demonstrate strong financial stability and the ability to continue to invest in innovation and obviously in the service and support model is important for customers, and it’s certainly aiding in our conversations.

Colin Rusch — Oppenheimer — Analyst

Okay, thanks so much guys.

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Thank you.

Thomas Gelston — Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

The next question is Laurence Alexander from Jefferies.

Laurence Alexander — Jefferies — Analyst

Hi, there. Thank you. I guess first of all, can you give a sense of the broader pipeline or range of discussions that you’re having, I mean are the size of projects changing? Are the lead times for potential projects changing? Can you give a sense for just kind of the scope of activity that not yet in your backlog?

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Yeah, so Laurence, thanks again for joining the call and thank you for the question. As we look at our — the project conversations, we’re having are opportunities, they really span a range of different application opportunities for the company. So we continue to have a number of conversations around biofuels, leveraging the unique capabilities of our platform, right. And that uniqueness is the fact that we can actually leverage on-site biofuels without those biofuels needing to get in the pipeline quality or be transported on a common carrier pipelines, we can use them right on site. That gives us a unique set of opportunities to continue to pursue more opportunities like the biofuel projects we talked about today.

We’re having conversations around data center applications and continue to have a lot of conversations around education and health care, and in particularly those conversations generally tend to be focused around microgrids and the importance of really shoring up resiliency and reliability just given all of the disruptions that are happening across the grid today. And then as we talked about the multi-feature capabilities of our product, the opportunities that we’re pursuing around food and beverage to be able to do multiple things in those applications ranging from providing power, delivering carbon as an ingredient for utilization, rather it being in beverage or food processing for example, keeping meats cold to processing stages as an example, as well as you know providing thermal energy, rather that be integration into their absorption chilling and or replacing or adding to boiler capacity in those facilities, which is generally what you find in those kind of locations. And then across either utility landscape, we continue to pursue utility projects and those are largely RFP driven. And as you know, in the State of Connecticut, for example, there was recently a legislation passed for 30 megawatts of power platforms for fuel cells in the State of Connecticut, with manufacturing fuel cells in the state having an advantage in terms of how those RFP responses get evaluated. So we continue to pursue those type of opportunities.

And from an international perspective, it’s those same type of opportunities, but with a lot more focus as well in conversations around hydrogen and what’s happening around hydrogen and carbon and carbon capture, those are big focuses in our conversations there. And we see that customers are making long-range plans for projects that may not actually be implemented into — till the 2023 type time frame and forward, but they’re interested in making product selections around technology today. And so we are actively engaged in those types of conversations.

Laurence Alexander — Jefferies — Analyst

And I appreciate, like a lot of the activity is on the sort of micro-grid side. But when you think about the larger applications, has the size of the largest projects in your potential scope changed compared to what you were considering a couple of years ago? I mean, we’ve seen for some fairly large projects, I’m thinking in Europe and Asia already being announced and so I’m just curious if you’re participating in those very large ones?

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Yeah, so you know, our platform is a very scalable platform, and today I believe this still holds true that we have the largest fuel cell platform in the world and we also have the largest installed fuel cell platform in the United States as well, and we are working for an example and building out our 14.8 megawatt project in Derby as we talked about. If the projects are more referred to are all around electrolysis and those type of opportunities,0 our platform there on solid oxide, the way we are architecting that and plan for commercialization is around being able to deliver gigawatt scale capacity and so the way I would answer that question is, we’re not shying away from those opportunities at the larger scale even though we haven’t announced any awards obviously in that regard.

Laurence Alexander — Jefferies — Analyst

Great. And then two last quick ones just — the solid oxide when that starts to ramp, will that require additional investments? And if you did scale your production from the 40 megawatt, 45 megawatt, up to the 100 megawatts and if you flexed out the capacity that you’re building, what would be the incremental margins on the extra volume?

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Hey, Laurence, I apologize, but I’m going to ask you if you don’t mind to repeat your question only because there was some static on the phone and I didn’t catch the first part of your question.

Laurence Alexander — Jefferies — Analyst

Sure. So on the solid oxide, is there any additional investment needed to scale up once you get through the demonstration phases?

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Yes, in terms of our need to build out manufacturing capacity for solid oxide, there will be investment required because it is — it’s a different technology, right. We’re going from our carbonate fuel cell technology, we’re adding our solid oxide fuel cell technology, the stack architecture is totally different. I mean, so for example, our stack in our carbonate platform is 400 sales stack and that module was about 10 feet tall. The full cell stack height on our solid oxide is about 17 inches, so completely different cell architecture and the manufacturing process is different. That being said, there are leverage points across manufacturing with certain things like tape casting and other processes that are leverageable across both technologies and we certainly will do that, but incremental investment is required to be able to scale capacity for our solid oxide manufacturing.

Michael Bishop — Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Secretary, and Treasurer

And, Laurence, this is Mike, and thank you for joining the call. On your second question regarding profitability around the carbonate fuel cells and as we leverage the factory here, at these at these current run rates we still have manufacturing variances coming through because we are below our standard and current quarter that was around $1.7 million, that cost has come down compared to the prior year which was in the $2.6 million range. And as we continue to ramp those manufacturing variances will continue to decline, which would which would expect to lead to higher profitability as the factory ramps.

Laurence Alexander — Jefferies — Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Praneeth Satish with Wells Fargo.

Praneeth Satish — Wells Fargo Securities — Analyst

Thanks, good morning. I wanted to ask about the Groton submarine base project. I guess what happens if the Navy declines the extension? Are there any work arounds or alternatives that you could pursue to keep the project going?

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Praneeth, good morning, and thank you for joining the call and your question. We — the Navy would need to grant an extension on the project, which we fully expect that the Navy will continue to support the project as they have up to this point. And again, as we indicated, the project was in commissioning. We identified a high heat condition and we’re making the repairs to that platform and so we hope to be back in commissioning as we talked about later here this month in September, and then we would fully suspect to be able to work through the contractual arrangements we have, which is kind of a threefold contractual arrangement between us [Indecipherable] the Navy and Groton utilities to continue to move the project forward.

Praneeth Satish — Wells Fargo Securities — Analyst

Got it. And then can you just give us a sense of the module exchanges that are expected to occur over the balance of the year? Should we expect the continued positive year-over-year impact from this? And if so, are there any specific dynamics that’s driving the uptick in exchanges this year?

Michael Bishop — Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Secretary, and Treasurer

Hi, good morning. This is Mike. I’ll take the answer to that question. So from an accounting and revenue recognition perspective, the way module exchanges are accounted for essentially — and these are under our long-term service agreements. Revenue recognition is deferred under the long-term service agreements for the portion related to module exchanges, which typically happen every five or seven years depending on the life of the module.

So when you look at our results for service, it is variable. There are some quarters that had very little module exchanges, and like this quarter we had a higher level and it’s really depended on the lifecycle of the plant in the field and when and when modules are due for replacement. We have not put out specific guidance around our service revenue, but would expect it to be variable as we’ve reported in the past.

Praneeth Satish — Wells Fargo Securities — Analyst

Got it, okay. Thank you.

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Yeah.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Noel Parks with Tuohy Brothers.

Noel Parks — Touhy Brothers — Analyst

Hey, good morning.

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Good morning, Noel.

Noel Parks — Touhy Brothers — Analyst

I just had a couple of things. I wonder if you could talk about with the tax equity financing with the Groton project and San Bernardino, can you talk a bit about the mechanics of those financing? I’m curious about what the lead time was involved in the application process and or just negotiation process? And whether there are any prepayment restrictions on those arrangement?

Michael Bishop — Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Secretary, and Treasurer

Sure. Good morning, Noel, and thank you for joining the call. So just, I guess, to give a little bit of an overview of what we — of what we do when the company creates a generation project assets. These are typically assets where we go out and we competitively bid for a power purchase agreement either with a utility customer and those are our larger generation assets or a behind the meter customer, like for instance, the San Bernardino project where we’re selling — we’re selling power directly to the municipality. So that’s kind of the first step. And then the company through our financing operations will go out and solicit competitive bids to either finance the project or sell the project and evaluating those bids and as we’ve talked about, the company’s preference for our current backlog — our current portfolio is to build a chunk of assets on balance sheet so that we can benefit from the recurring cash flows. So for these two projects we went through that process during the — during the build out of these assets and we’re comfortable with the financing terms that were offered by these two counterparties. As Jason mentioned, this is our second transaction with Crestmark, our first transaction with East West Bank. The East-West Bank transaction was a partnership flip transaction, that’s our first — that first type of tax equity transaction. That transaction lends itself also to potentially bringing in back leverage debt as well and those are things that the company will look — look at doing in the future. So I’d say there has been good interest in financing our projects and doing that on a repeatable basis and we’re looking forward to having further discussions for the assets that remain in our portfolio under development and construction.

Noel Parks — Touhy Brothers — Analyst

Great, thanks for the clarification. And I wanted to ask about on the hydrogen front, your distributed hydrogen projects. Could you just talk a bit about sort of where those practice are housed in the organization and how they’re managed since those are definitely going to have a long horizon component to them even relative the terms of your larger generation contrast? So if you could talk some about about how those are proceeding that would be great.

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Yeah, so, no the way that that we do development inside the company, you can think about it this way. We have an advanced technology organization in which we drive our innovation there, that innovation then is turned into product given our validation of market need and fit for that product, and the product is developed through that part of our organization. When we achieve commercialization, that product now is on the shelf, if you will, and available to our sales team or business development organization to offer that product to customers for sale. When that product is commercial, then we have an engineering part of our organization that we call operational engineering organization, and the product then really falls into that group in terms of how we maintain the product and service it on an ongoing basis between them and our customer service organization.

So as we develop products, we then, if you hand them off if you will to our commercial organization to then be able to offer those products to customers and work directly with customers on the sale of the products. Did that answer your question?

Noel Parks — Touhy Brothers — Analyst

It’s helpful. I guess we’re thinking a little bit more about, it’s kind of how do you need to divert [Phonetic] hydrogen from the larger infrastructure issues going forward? So I guess I was thinking about how that piece and your decisions around possibility of investment in say transportation infrastructure might be evaluated in the organization?

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Yeah, so what we do, I mean we do a lot of market research and through engagement with customers we look at where should we prioritize our resources from a sales focus standpoint, where should we prioritize and direct our development efforts in terms of capabilities. And as we talked about, our platforms have multiple features. And so we even prioritize which features we flex on first, if you will, given how we see the market unfolding and where we think we have an opportunity to win in the marketplace, how we differentiate. And so we just think about hydrogen more broadly, like you were excited about what’s happening in the evolving hydrogen economy, the amount of interest in dollars being committed by governments across Europe, Asia, and certainly what we’re seeing maybe unfold through the infrastructure package and legislation that’s being contemplated here domestically in the U.S.

So our platforms, the thing that excites us about our platform capabilities is the fact that we have three different technologies around how we can deliver hydrogen. So if you look at what we’re doing with Toyota, that’s an example of our TriGen platform and that platform allows us to provide power, clean water and hydrogen from a single platform, and we can do that by using renewable natural gas. So we’re delivering green hydrogen and carbon-neutral to carbon negative power, and or as we advance forward in the future, we have the ability to do things around carbon capture for example to deliver blue hydrogen.

Secondly, we are working to commercialize our technology around our REP, that’s leveraging our current molten carbonate technology and you can really think about that as a hydrogen generation platform because in that instance we’re operating the platform in reverse mode. We’re not doing the co-production of power and we’re generating hydrogen, which is core and fundamental to our product anyway, that’s what we do. We create electrical chemical reaction, we make hydrogen and we turn that in the power. In this case, we’d be making hydrogen and we’d be handling that hydrogen off to any number of applications and because of the distributed nature of our platforms, right, we can co-locate or site that platform just as we’re doing in the Toyota case, exactly where that hydrogen is needed, thus removing the need to think about what’s happening on infrastructure investments in pipelines, for example, or how you’re going to move that hydrogen in a clean way, which today is one of the challenges because of the way hydrogen gets transported today largely by truck, right. So we can be exactly where that hydrogen is needed.

And then the work that we’re doing to commercialize our solid oxide platform. In that instance, right, we have the ability to do electrolysis and we can do that by using only renewable energy like wind and solar or we can use grid-related energy or even take advantage of nuclear energy as a way to do electrolysis and to create hydrogen, and we have a highly efficient platform with our solid oxide capabilities to do that and with the use of as we’ve talked about incremental waste heat, we could actually deliver 100% efficiency in the conversion of the electricity into hydrogen. That hydrogen can be stored or that hydro could be handed off again for an application where it might be used as a fuel, let’s say, in a industry segment that’s not typically well suited for electrification but needs high heat as a way to manufacture its product, i.e., still as an example. And that’s an industry that’s working to decarbonize itself.

Our technology can certainly play a role in that as we get to commercialization or that hydrogen can be stored and serve as the intermittent firm capacity, if you will, for intermittent technologies like wind and solar. And because we can store that hydrogen in traditional means, for example, in salt caverns the way you store natural gas today or in pipelines or in pressurized tanks, you virtually have endless capacity. So if you say, look, we want to build a platform that creates an ability for us to store enough hydrogen as the energy source. So in this case hydrogen becomes the energy source and you want that for days, weeks, months as opposed to 4 hours, for example, as in the case of like batteries, you have the ability to do that. So we think about those three platforms and our ability to address market needs, which come into play around what’s the cost of electricity, what’s the fuel availability, no fuel, what’s water availability, no water. So we have a lot of optionality in terms of how we approach the hydrogen market as we get to full commercialization across all three platforms.

Noel Parks — Touhy Brothers — Analyst

Great, thanks so much.

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Vaibhav Vaishnav with Coker and Palmer.

Vaibhav Vaishnav — Coker and Palmer — Analyst

Hey, thank you. Thank you for taking my question and good morning. Maybe if — you mentioned about Connecticut 30 megawatts, so maybe starting over there, can you help us understand like put in context, how should we think about near-term orders or projects from Connecticut versus what what we have seen over the last two years?

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Yeah, so for that specific order that the governor signed into law requires the utilities to purchase 30 megawatts of fuel cell power generation in the state and that — and that delayed up on a pro rata basis between our two utilities here in the States, so roughly 24 megawatts for one, 6 megawatts for the other. There is a timeline for that process for which those RFPs are supposed to be run and winner selected on those RFPs responses and for fuel cells manufactured in the state, like ours are, receive extra no consideration and ultimate decision that gets made by the utility in terms of the fuel cell platform that they will elect to choose. That bill now in process is one in which will be driven by a very open utility RFP process for which we will participate in that process and we’re really excited about that, and that creates opportunities for us to win. Now we’ve got to go bid, we got to compete, and we got to win, and we’re certainly going to going to work on doing that in Connecticut on those opportunities.

Vaibhav Vaishnav — Coker and Palmer — Analyst

And in terms of timeline should we be thinking that by the end of the year?

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

No, I think, as you can think about the timeline as laid out, this is really more of a ’22 activity when you’ll see the utilities making decisions — or final decisions around that.

Vaibhav Vaishnav — Coker and Palmer — Analyst

Got it. Maybe switching to international markets, we have been — we have obviously been in process of going back in Korea, going back in Europe. Can you update us as to the latest thoughts over there? What are, how are the conversations progressing? How should we be thinking about timeline over there?

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Yeah. So maybe I’ll start first with Europe, that’s a market that’s obviously very exciting to us, not only with our traditional technologies, but just how aggressive pan-European countries are looking at the opportunities around hydrogen and as a significant way for them to transition their energy infrastructure, and then the interest that exists there around carbon capture as well. We have a number of opportunities in our pipeline that we are pursuing across various countries in Europe. And again, as we talked about, we typically expect given the size of opportunities that we bid on, generally opportunities that are even when they’re behind the meter and often cases were also grid connected or as we work through our platforms, those are typically 18 months to 24 months sales cycles. And so we anticipate that given the amount of time that we’ve been in the market now and as we’ve added resources and continue to add business development resources, we will start to see opportunities move from our pipeline into signed committed contracts. And as I said earlier, that’s when we will state that we have firmly won those projects and we’ll move them into backlog.

With respect to Korea, again if you think about the same timeline, we as a company really reentered the Korean market in the July time frame of 2020 and have been actively engaging with customers in that market. And so again, kind of same view around the ability to convert pipeline opportunities and the signed committed contracts would be around the same timing as we think about those opportunities. But again, also very excited about what’s happening not only in Korea, but Asia more broadly around hydrogen and the energy transition as well.

Vaibhav Vaishnav — Coker and Palmer — Analyst

And maybe if I can squeeze one last one. So if you think about competitive dynamics are increasing in Korea today, one of your competitor announced manufacturing operations in Germany. Can you just help us frame if we think about applications, are they the same applications you and your other competitors are going in, may that be in terms of your [Indecipherable] may that be in terms of data center, are there different applications, different end markets that you guys are targeting versus your peers?

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Yeah, so as we think about our platform and the word platform is important, right, because we think about the multi-feature capabilities of our product and how we leverage that to differentiate against the competition. And for us, the competition we think about that being more broadly than just other fuel cell providers, right, in terms of different generation decisions that a customer could make. If I think about a market like Korea, there is some clear areas where we are advantaged, for example, in Korea the ability to deliver steam is an important attribute of opportunities in that market. If we narrow the discussion to just stationary fuel cell providers, right, we clearly differentiate ourselves in our ability to deliver steam versus our competitors. As we look at more energy transition type opportunities and if we just took hydrogen as an example around that, the fact that we have three different platforms we think gives us an advantage given the breadth of our portfolio and the ability for us to apply the appropriate technology to the market dynamic.

And so what do I mean by that. In a market where energy prices might be a factor, right, in terms of being able to drive revenues from the sale of electricity, a platform like our TriGen platform may be the best fit because you can drive generation revenue and you can deliver hydrogen. And the more you can drive from generation revenues, the less you need to achieve from a pricing standpoint for hydrogen as an example. Conversely, if fuel prices are low and energy prices are low and the customer is looking to capture hydrogen, something like our product like our EP platform that we working to commercialize is a great opportunity for us to compete quite differently than maybe our competitive set and then our ability to do carbon capture alongside of that to deliver blue hydrogen, for example, for releasing natural gas, we think it puts us in an advantageous position.

And then our efficiency on electrolysis we think will differentiate us in the market both in terms of conversion of electricity and water in the hydrogen, but then the reverse ability of our platform to utilize the exact same stack that converted that electricity into hydrogen would be the platform that would produce power. We think that round trip efficiency is also going to play to the advantage column for us and so we think we’re well positioned there. And in terms of our presence from a manufacturing standpoint or capabilities, we also have the capability from a manufacturing standpoint in Germany. So we feel good about how we’re positioned to address global markets.

Vaibhav Vaishnav — Coker and Palmer — Analyst

That’s very helpful. Thank you for taking my questions.

Operator

Our next comes from the line of Eric Stine with Craig-Hallum.

Eric Stine — Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC — Analyst

Hey, good morning, everyone.

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Hey, good morning.

Eric Stine — Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC — Analyst

Good morning. I’ll just sneak in a few at the end. And just curious on the in advanced technology and the milestone payment side. I know you get — I think you’ve averaged probably one a year and that’s tied the development work underway with ExxonMobil. Just curious is there anything you can provide in terms of timing? And then maybe what that next milestone — what that may be represents or what that means in terms of the process you’re working through there?

Michael Bishop — Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Secretary, and Treasurer

Good morning, Eric. This is Mike. So on the ExxonMobil contract, there are two technical milestones in the contract of $5 million each once the company achieves a certain — achieves the technical milestone that we will get paid and that will be revenue. We have not put out any guidance around the timing of when we expect to achieve those milestones.

Eric Stine — Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC — Analyst

Okay. Got it. Then maybe just, just to confirm something on the fiscal ’22 targets. When you talk about positive EBITDA, positive free cash flow, etc., are you talking about that’s a year, year-end run rate? Or are those levels that you anticipate meeting for the entirety of the year?

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Yeah, so year-end run rate, expect to — expect to get there by the end of ’22 based on continuing execution of the business plan, which does include building out project assets and continued activity in advanced technologies and across the business.

Eric Stine — Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC — Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

All right, thanks, Eric.

Michael Bishop — Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Secretary, and Treasurer

Thank you, Eric.

Operator

That concludes today’s Q&A portion of today’s call. I will now turn the call back over to Jason Few for closing remarks.

Jason Few — President, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Commercial Officer

Carol, thank you. And thank you all again for joining us today. We’ll continue to execute on our Powerhouse business strategy, working to deliver profitable growth and optimizing returns. The FuelCell Energy team is excited about our work to deliver on our purpose to enable the world to live a life empowered by clean energy, and we are committed to delivering long-term shareholder value. Thank you for joining, and I hope everyone stay safe and healthy and have a great day.

Operator

[Operator Closing Remarks]

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