Sherwin-Williams Co. (SHW) Q3 2020 Earnings Call Transcript

Sherwin-Williams Co. (NYSE: SHW) Q3 2020 earnings call dated Oct. 27, 2020

Corporate Participants:

James R. Jaye — Senior Vice President – Investor Relations and Corporate Communications

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Analysts:

Ghansham Panjabi — R.W. Baird — Analyst

Jeffrey Zekauskas — J.P. Morgan — Analyst

Steve Byrne — BofA/ Merrill Lynch — Analyst

Arun Viswanathan — RBC Capital Markets — Analyst

Robert Koort — Goldman Sachs — Analyst

P.J. Juvekar — Citigroup — Analyst

David Begleiter — Deutsche Bank — Analyst

Kevin McCarthy — Vertical Research — Analyst

Vincent Andrews — Morgan Stanley — Analyst

Rosemarie Morbelli — Gabelli Research — Analyst

Michael Harrison — Seaport Global — Analyst

John McNulty — BMO Capital Markets — Analyst

Greg Melich — Evercore ISI — Analyst

Duffy Fischer — Barclays Capital Markets — Analyst

Christopher Parkinson — Credit Suisse — Analyst

David Bellinger — Wolfe Research — Analyst

Garik Shmois — Loop Capital — Analyst

John Roberts — UBS — Analyst

Eric Bosshard — Cleveland Research Company — Analyst

Kevin Hocevar — Northcoast Research — Analyst

Justin Speer — Zelman & Associates — Analyst

Presentation:

Operator

Good morning. Thank you for joining the Sherwin-Williams Company’s review of the third quarter 2020 results and our outlook for the fourth quarter and full fiscal year of 2020.

With us on today’s call are John Morikis, Chairman and CEO; Al Mistysyn, CFO; Jane Cronin, Senior Vice President, Corporate Controller; and Jim Jaye, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. This conference call is being webcast simultaneously in listen-only mode by Issuer Direct via the Internet at www.sherwin.com. An archived replay of this webcast will be available at www.sherwin.com beginning approximately two hours after this conference call concludes.

This conference call will include certain forward-looking statements as defined under U.S. Federal Securities laws with respect to sales, earnings and other matters. Any forward-looking statement speaks only as of the date on which such statement is made and the Company undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statement, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. A full declaration regarding forward-looking statements is provided in the Company’s earnings release transmitted earlier this morning. After the Company’s prepared remarks, we will open the session to questions.

I will now turn the call over to Jim Jaye.

James R. Jaye — Senior Vice President – Investor Relations and Corporate Communications

Thank you, Rob and good morning everyone. I hope you and your families are remaining safe and healthy during the pandemic. Let me begin with some high-level summary comments on the quarter. All comparisons are to the third quarter of 2019 unless otherwise stated.

Sherwin-Williams delivered outstanding results in the third quarter. Total Company consolidated sales were well above the original guidance we provided on July 28 and also slightly above the increased guidance we provided on September 29. We saw continued unprecedented demand in our DIY business during the quarter, double-digit growth in residential repaint, very solid demand in new residential and positive momentum across our industrial end markets. We delivered year-over-year improvement in gross margin and record profit before tax, EBITDA, diluted net income per share and net operating cash.

Third quarter 2020 consolidated sales increased 5.2% to $5.12 billion, inclusive of a negative currency impact of 0.9%. The estimated impact from COVID-19 on consolidated sales in the quarter was not material. Consolidated gross margin increased 220 basis points to 47.9%. Consolidated profit before tax increased $165.8 million or 23.4% to $875.6 million. Diluted net income per share increased 24.4% to $7.66 per share. The third quarter of 2020 included acquisition related amortization expense of $0.63 per share. The third quarter of 2019 included acquisition related amortization expense and other adjustments of $0.49 per share as described in the Regulation G reconciliation table included in our press release. Excluding these items, third quarter adjusted diluted earnings per share increased 24.7% to $8.29 per share. Adjusted EBITDA increased $185.7 million to $1.11 billion or 21.6% of sales. Net operating cash increased 54.3% year-to-date to $2.56 billion.

From a segment perspective, sales in The Americas Group and Consumer Brands Group were in line with our updated guidance while sales in Performance Coatings Group were slightly better than expected. All segments delivered very strong flow through in the quarter. Segment margin in The Americas Group improved to 25.1% of sales resulting from operating leverage on the top line growth, favorable mix and lower input costs.

Adjusted segment margin in Consumer Brands Group increased to 26.4% of sales resulting from operating leverage on the strong double-digit top line growth, favorable product mix, lower input costs and actions taken over the past year to improve our international operating margins. Adjusted segment margin in Performance Coatings Group increased to 16% of sales, driven by returning sales growth and lower input costs. Additional details on our segment performance are included in the slide deck provided with our press release and available on our website.

Let me now turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, John Morikis for some additional commentary on the quarter and our outlook. John?

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Jim and good morning everyone. Let me begin by expressing my appreciation to the over 61,000 employees of Sherwin-Williams for their continued determination and their resilience. I could not be more proud of this incredible team as they delivered record results in a very challenging environment.

Our leadership team and their many years of collective experience have been true differentiators throughout this entire year enabling us to drive significant improvement across many measures while serving our customers at a very high level.

We generated very solid sales growth in the quarter with all three operating segments growing year-over-year, exceeding the original guidance we provided at the end of July and improving sequentially. The gross margin expansion in the quarter was driven by sales growth, effective pricing, favorable mix and lower input costs. The industry basket of raw materials was down by a mid-single digit percentage in the quarter compared to the prior year, though a bit less than what we saw in the second quarter. SG&A as a percent of sales in the quarter decreased slightly year-over-year to 27.5%. SG&A increased on a dollar basis as we continued to make investments to drive long-term growth.

Let me talk a bit more about trends we’re seeing in each of our segments before moving on to our outlook. In The Americas Group we saw a significant sequential improvement from the second quarter to the third quarter in all regions and all segments served. Most regions and segments also delivered growth in the quarter on a year-over-year basis. We’re especially encouraged by the return of double-digit growth in residential repaint, our largest segment. Interior work has picked up significantly. As a reminder, this segment has been our fastest growing over the last several years and continues to offer us the largest opportunity for share gain. Sales in new residential also gained momentum in the quarter and were up by mid-single digits. Our DIY business delivered the biggest year-over-year percentage increase in the quarter with COVID related stay-at-home projects driving robust consumer demand throughout the quarter.

Our commercial business slowly improved, but remained down low-single digits in the quarter. Our customers are telling us that job site conditions are stabilizing and the predominant theme remains that projects are being delayed rather than canceled. The property maintenance segment remains under pressure as turnover in multifamily remains low.

Protective and marine remains our most challenging segment from a demand perspective. Access to job sites remains an issue on some projects. Demand remains particularly depressed in oil and gas which is the segment’s largest single end market. Other areas such as flooring and water and wastewater treatment are moving in a more positive direction. We believe this business is well positioned to take advantage of future potential infrastructure investments and comps will start to become more favorable heading into next year.

From a product perspective, strength in exterior paint continued as we generated low double-digit percentage growth in the quarter. Encouragingly, we also saw a significant pickup in interior paint where sales were up by a high single-digit percentage overall and by double digits in the residential repaint segment. Additionally, spray equipment sales were up strong double digits in the quarter. This is another very encouraging sign of recovery as contractors are unlikely to invest in this type of equipment unless they anticipate significant demand.

Pricing came in as we expected and was approximately 2% in the third quarter. We expect a similar level of effectiveness in the fourth quarter. We opened 24 new stores in the third quarter and 40 year to date in the US and Canada. We anticipate opening a total of approximately 55 new stores for the full year in the US and Canada. Along with these new stores, we continue to make investments in sales reps, management trainees, innovative new products and productivity enhancing services to drive additional growth. We’re also pleased by a continuing uptick in the use of our e-commerce platform.

Moving on to our Consumer Brands Group. DIY demand remained robust in the quarter driven by consumers continuing to focus on home improvement projects while nesting at home during the pandemic. We generated strong double-digit growth by working closely with our retail customers to capture this demand, most notably with Lowe’s. Our global supply chain organization continued to perform admirably in the quarter working collaboratively with our customers to help meet the unprecedented demand.

Internationally every region generated year-over-year growth. Sales increased by double-digit percentages in Europe and Australia and by a mid-single digit percentage in Asia. Similar to the second quarter, we leveraged the strong sales growth and favorable product mix to drive significant operating margin improvement compared to the prior year. Our margin improvement also reflects the terrific work this team has done over the last two years to improve our portfolio, including rationalizing SKUs, exiting the Ace private label business and reducing costs in Europe and Australia. We continue to reinvest in this business to drive long-term growth for our partners, especially in the handyman remodeler or pros who paint category.

Lastly, let me comment on the trends in the Performance Coatings Group. We’re encouraged by this segment’s return to growth in the quarter, inclusive of a 1.4% headwind related to currency translation rate changes. As in the Americas Group, Performance Coatings Group generated significant sequential improvement from the second quarter to the third quarter in all regions and nearly all divisions. The majority of regions and divisions also delivered growth in the quarter on a year-over-year basis.

From a regional perspective, Asia grew fastest in the quarter up by a high single-digit percentage. Europe and Latin America both grew by low single-digit percentages. Our largest region in PCG North America was down in the quarter by a low single digit percentage where a slower recovery in the general industrial division offset growth in the other divisions.

From a divisional perspective, I’ll start with our packaging business where our team continues to deliver great results. Sales were up high single digits and positive in every region for the quarter. Demand for food and beverage cans remains robust and our non-BPA coatings continue to gain traction and both we and our customers are investing in capacity expansion.

In coil coatings, the resumption of selected commercial construction projects, albeit slow, along with growth in appliances and strong new business wins across all regions led to mid-single digit growth in the quarter. We’re very encouraged by the improved performance in industrial wood, where sales were up by a mid-single digit percentage in the quarter. We believe the momentum we are seeing in kitchen cabinetry, flooring and furniture correlates to similar positive trends in new residential construction.

We also returned to growth in automotive refinish in the quarter, where sales were up a low single digit percentage. This team has done a very nice job driving new account growth by offering better solutions than our competitors. We estimate miles driven are currently at about 75% of pre-COVID levels and collision shop volume across the industry is off by approximately 25%. We expect continued improvement in these trends.

In general industrial we were down by a low-single digit percentage in the quarter. While we’re never pleased with a quarter where the top line is down, this was a very significant improvement from the high double-digit decline we saw in the second quarter. There are several reasons for optimism in this business. Regionally Asia was up double-digits and Europe was up mid single digits in the quarter. [Phonetic] Latin America was positive on a currency neutral basis. And while North America remained under pressure, we did see very meaningful sequential improvement.

Moving on to our guidance. I’ll remind you that our fourth quarter is a seasonally smaller one. We expect to see our normal sequential seasonal slowdown in US architectural demand in the fourth quarter similar to previous years. We’re expecting continued favorable product mix in the quarter with DIY, res repaint and new residential growth while not expecting material improvement in the other architectural segments or protective and marine. We also expect our interior products to become a bigger part of the mix in the quarter as we return to a more typical interior/exterior ratio for this time of year.

On the industrial side of the business we’re encouraged by many of the positive trends I described a few moments ago. At the same time dynamics related to customers’ replenishment of inventory and the true pace of end market demand will likely cause continued choppiness in the pace of recovery in some end markets. Against this backdrop, we anticipate fourth quarter 2020 consolidated net sales will increase by 3% to 7% versus the fourth quarter of 2019.

Looking at our operating segments for the fourth quarter, we anticipate The Americas Group to be up by 4% to 6%, Consumer Brands Group to be up a mid to high teens percentage and Performance Coatings Group to be up or down a low-single digit percentage. For the full year 2020, we are revising our sales guidance upward from flat to up slightly to up by a low single digit percentage based on our improved fourth quarter outlook. On an operating segment basis for the full year, we anticipate the Americas Group to be up by a low single digit percentage, Consumer Brands Group to be up by a mid-teens percentage and Performance Coatings Group to be down by low to mid single digit percentage. We expect to see gross margin expansion in the quarter.

On SG&A, we will be making incremental investments in our long-term growth opportunities and we do not expect to see as much SG&A leverage as in our third quarter. We are again increasing our diluted net income per share guidance for 2020 to be in the range of $21.49 to $21.79 per share compared to our most recent guidance of $20.96 to $21.46 per share and compared to $16.49 per share earned in 2019.

Full year 2020 earnings per share guidance includes acquisition-related amortization expense of approximately $2.51 per share. On an adjusted basis we expect full-year 2020 earnings per share of $24 to $24.30, an increase of 14.3% at the midpoint over the $21.12 we delivered last year. Embedded within our outlook is the assumption that the raw material basket will be lower for the full year by a mid single-digit percentage. Based on our current outlook, we expect that fourth quarter will have less of a benefit than the first three quarters of the year given recent sequential inflation in some commodities in comparisons to the deflation we saw in the latter half of 2019.

Let me close with some additional data points and an update to our capital allocation priorities. Our capex guidance for the year remains $280 million. This capex guidance includes a very modest amount of spending related to our new headquarters and R&D facility projects. Earlier this month the Company’s Board of Directors approved a dividend of $1.34 per share, an increase of 18.6% over the $1.13 per share dividend paid in the fourth quarter of 2019.

We resumed open market share purchase during the third quarter, investing $404 million, purchased 600,000 shares of Company common stock. Absent significant M&A, we expect to continue purchasing shares in the fourth quarter.

As I mentioned in my opening remarks we have a remarkable team at Sherwin. And they delivered outstanding results in the quarter by focusing on meeting customer needs. I’m truly grateful for their passion and their commitment which has put us on track to deliver sales and earnings growth in this most challenging of years. We believe the long-term fundamental strength of our end markets remain intact. There is tremendous opportunity in front of us in every one of our businesses and in many ways we’re just getting started. We remain very confident about the future and our ability to create shareholder value over the long term.

This concludes our prepared remarks. And with that I’d like to thank you for joining us this morning and we’ll be happy to take your questions.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

Tank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of Ghansham Panjabi with Baird. Please proceed with your questions.

Ghansham Panjabi — R.W. Baird — Analyst

Thank you and good morning, everybody.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Good morning, Ghansham.

Ghansham Panjabi — R.W. Baird — Analyst

Good morning. I guess first off within TAG the commercial and property maintenance sub verticals improved significantly relative to what you saw in 2Q. How do you sort of disaggregate that improvement between pent-up demand from the 2Q dislocations versus an improvement in underlying growth? And then what timeline do you think for each vertical is it reasonable for volumes to inflect higher year-over-year?

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you for that question, Ghansham. I think if you start with commercial as you’ve mentioned, jobs are coming back online. And as we mentioned sequentially we’ve seen some improvement. I think when you look at the ramp-up there, I think a lot of that’s going to have to do with the progress our contractors make on getting more painters out on projects. The social distancing and the restrictions that go along with those requirements have proven somewhat challenging to our customers. So I’d say that as we go into 2021, we expect more and more progress, if you will, in that segment. You asked about each of the segments and maybe I’ll make one overarching comment regarding all the professional segments. And that is, as I’ve mentioned before, no one, no one hopes for any experience like this pandemic that we’re experiencing.

That said, our commercial contractors as well as every other contractor we serve has found this market to be a challenge. It might be getting approval to go in to work into one area and getting pulled out of that area and pushed into another, start exterior, have someone say they might be going out of town, can you do an interior project. All of these create conflict for our customers. And at the same time, it creates the opportunity that we look for, which is to be there with solutions for our customers. And so we’re working hard.

I mentioned earlier how grateful I am for our teams. Our teams in the field are doing just a wonderful job in responding to each one of these professional segments in a way that very few people can. As it relates to the segments, I might again here begin with the way that I’m looking at these segments and these to me represent favorable comps as we go into next year. If you start with residential repaint, and I’ll give you a little color as to why I feel each of these are favorable comps, we are talking about coming out of a quarter with double-digit gains. But we’re not hitting on all cylinders yet. The interior while improving dramatically offers a terrific opportunity for us as well as the opportunity to continue to grow share. Our TAG team, the leadership team and those terrific employees in the field are actually growing our new accounts year-over-year this year, in a year with the pandemic faster than we have previous years. So our new account growth in this area has just been terrific.

So we see our progress in res repaint as exciting, but we’re not complacent here. This offers — this is the largest segment we have but it also offers the greatest opportunity for market share growth. We feel coming into 2021 the fact that we’ve been running a large part of the year with a much smaller interior market as well as the share gains that we’re gaining we’re excited about entering into next year.

In new residential, same thing. Comps are favorable going into next year for us. We finished the year here — I’m sorry, the quarter mid-single digits up. But again these are businesses that are just starting to ramp up. Love our position here. Exclusive relationships with 18 of the top 20 builders, really making progress on a regional and custom homebuilder who has really been hit the least throughout this process. But our position here, as we go into 2021, is really a strong one, particularly given the fact that there still remains a shortage of supply of homes in the marketplace and our new residential customers are excited about the progresses they’re making coming out of 2020 going into 2021.

Talked about commercial property management, is another one again, terrific comps for us as we go into next year. Clearly this business has been impacted by turns and as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, the lack of turns has had an impact on our business here. If you recall — excuse me, if you recall during our financial community presentation, I mentioned that our customers are starting to see, sense and hear more from their tenants about more movement. And again terrific position here with exclusives with 18 of the top 20 here. And our customers are starting to feel like this is starting to move. We will tell you more about this likely at the end of the next quarter, but we’re feeling better about the progress here as we enter into 2021.

So those are the professional sides. You didn’t ask about the DIY side, but maybe, Al, I could lean on you for a second here. Why don’t we talk about DIY from a Company perspective?

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. Thanks, John. This is Al Mistysyn. We know DIY demand is a question for — on everybody’s mind, moving into next year. Let me try to put some color around it, try to quantify the increase. If I look at the second and third quarters together, sales this year are just slightly below last year. The combined DIY increase for Consumer Brands and our Americas Group is up 23% and represents about a quarter of our total sales in those quarters. The remaining 75% of the businesses segments are down approximately 6% and are sequentially trending better in the third quarter versus the second quarter. John talked about TAG and our expectations for strong res repaint, new res sales turn to growth in commercial property maintenance and then P&M being less of a headwind in 2021 versus 2020 due to the easier comps.

In our Consumer Brands Group investments and customer programs to drive volume are expected to drive incremental sales growth into next year, but unlikely able to offset a more normal return to DIY demand. And then Performance Coatings Group is seeing strong packaging demand, which is expected to continue in the early part of next year. Continued improvement in auto refinish, industrial wood and coil with general industrial gradually returning to sustainable growth in North America. And Ghansham it’s really the investments we’ve been making in our programs, our reps, our tools and services to provide solutions to these customers that give us great confidence in our ability to grow those other segments to help offset that DIY potential harder comp next year.

Ghansham Panjabi — R.W. Baird — Analyst

Okay. Thank you. And just for the second question, John, you mentioned that you expect demand to be choppy. That seems reasonable given what we’re seeing. You also have higher raw material costs that seem likely, higher operating costs with freight etc. and just cost to serve the customer just given the omnichannel shift across your TAG store network. In that context, how should we think about pricing as it relates to an early outlook for 2021? Thanks so much.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Ghansham. I’d say our response here is going to be pretty consistent with past discussions that we’ve had, Ghansham. As we look at all costs, the raw material baskets and everything that you laid out there from healthcare to energy every aspect of the business we look at that on a 30 day basis. Every 30 days with our management team we evaluate where we are. We make that decision, we immediately then proceed out with any increases that we’ve decided on, with a goal of talking to our customers first. Once we talk to the customers then we bring it to the financial community. We’ve not announced any increases now or we are not out with any right now. And should we, like I said, we’ll be out in front of the customer first and then come to you.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. And Ghansham, we’re in the middle of our normal next year operating plan reviews with our divisions. And as you know we will push back on our suppliers, we will try to internalize and offset as much of the raw material and other increases as we can. And then absent that, we’ll have to look at a price increase.

Ghansham Panjabi — R.W. Baird — Analyst

Thanks so much you guys.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Ghansham.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question.

Jeffrey Zekauskas — J.P. Morgan — Analyst

Thanks very much.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Good morning, Jeff.

Jeffrey Zekauskas — J.P. Morgan — Analyst

Is DIY — hi, good morning. Is DIY growth in the stores business very different than the rate of DIY growth in consumer brands in North America?

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

No, they’re very similar.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

But Jeff, as you know, DIY and our TAG organization is a much smaller percentage of [Technical Issues].

Jeffrey Zekauskas — J.P. Morgan — Analyst

Yeah. And in your Performance Coatings Group, you had very, very good growth in coil but negative growth in general industrial. What’s the difference between those two markets so that coil is growing and general industrial is down some?

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

It’s the markets that we serve, Jeff. If you look at coil, we’ve had the benefits of appliances as an example in coil as the commercial projects have picked up extrusion and some of the applications into the commercial space have been positive. And the other thing I’d say about the coil, I’ll give this team great credit. They have been winning business across all regions. So we talk a lot about share of wallet in our TAG business, but if I were to use that kind of description for our coil business, I’d say they’ve been doing very well in that space as well. General industrial, if you look at those applications for coatings in our GI space, again choppy is a good description here. We did have growth as we talked about in a few of the geographies, Asia, Europe, LatAm I believe in local — in the same currency would have been slightly positive. It’s mainly the US and it’s a choppy market here in the US for GI.

Jeffrey Zekauskas — J.P. Morgan — Analyst

Okay. Great. Thank you so much.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Jeff.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Steve Byrne with Bank of America. Please proceed with your questions.

Steve Byrne — BofA/ Merrill Lynch — Analyst

Yes. Thank you. How would you characterize this COVID DIYer is being different from your legacy DIYer? Are they more inclined to buy higher quality paints and are you — there is a couple of comments in would say is your earnings release about product mix. And I was just curious whether you’re seeing that in terms of whether it’s in consumer or it’s in TAG, are they buying higher-quality paint?

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

I’d say that we are seeing a positive mix shift, Steve. I would say that there is a difference between these customers. If you look at the DIY customer in a Sherwin store, they are typically looking for that specialty store experience. Al just mentioned a small percentage of our business, 10% roughly of our business. The expectations there are just that. They’re looking for that specialty store service and expectations in areas that might include color, selection and so on.

If you look at the overall though, what I would say is that our experience this go around is that these are people that are in general home, as we’ve described, nesting and in many cases finding themselves looking at a wall that may not have been painted in the next decade. And I think I’ve mentioned on one call in visiting some of our stores they kind of jokingly referred to these as what-the-heck projects where they’re sitting around kind of bored out of their minds and they’re saying what the heck I might as well go ahead and paint this room. The reason I share that with you is is that we’ve often gotten a question about do we have a concern that we might be leveraging or mortgaging residential repaint customer sales to a DIY customer. We’ve not seen that. In fact our residential repaint customers’ bidding activity is actually increasing, not only sequentially but year-over-year. So our customers on the res repaint side are quoting more now this year than they were last year and they are telling us that the success rate is actually increasing. So we have a DIY customer who is home. They want a good experience. They are typically moving up. And we have a res repaint customers backlog that’s growing.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Steve, the only thing I would add to that is, it’s really by design in our Consumer Brands segment. The programs that they’re putting in place, the training at store level is really trying to drive to the higher quality products because as we’ve talked about customer solutions that helps them drive their top line and bottom line and it also helps us drive our top line and bottom line.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

And overall the customer ends up with the best experience. So it helps our brand position with our customers as well.

Steve Byrne — BofA/ Merrill Lynch — Analyst

And so you have what was a 3% same-store sales in TAG. Was that all price given there might have been a price mix lift from this DIY initiative?

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

You could — the price would have been a little bit below 2%. The rest is volume. The one thing I would point out though, Steve, if you look at our North America stores at 3%, if — as you know P&M has been a drag, if you backed out P&M architectural would be up mid-single digit. So I put it in perspective to say if price is a little bit below 2%, volume would be more mid-single digits on architectural.

Steve Byrne — BofA/ Merrill Lynch — Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Steve.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Arun Viswanathan with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Arun Viswanathan — RBC Capital Markets — Analyst

Great. Thanks. Good morning.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Good morning.

Arun Viswanathan — RBC Capital Markets — Analyst

Congrats on the great results. I just wanted to ask about your comment on margins and SG&A. Could you elaborate on maybe some of the increases in SG&A you’re expecting in Q4? And then maybe even the next year, do you think you’ve entered a new gross margin level just given the volume uplift here and some of the cost reductions you guys have undertaken? Maybe you can just elaborate on some of those issues. Thanks.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, Arun, as you know, since we don’t go down item-by-item on the P&L for our guidance, but let me try to give you some color around our fourth quarter in general. First off, we believe we have a pretty strong fourth quarter with the adjusted EPS, about 10% increase over — at the midpoint over a really strong fourth quarter last year. That was up over 20% on top of a 12% increase in the fourth quarter of 2018. That tells you our flow-through is in the mid 20% range at the midpoint, while investing back in our business.

And let me start by saying what we talked about at the second quarter — in the second quarter, what we talked about at FCP is that these are the investments in products, services, customer programs that provide solutions to our customers that allow them to grow share and be more successful. These are investments in new stores and reps. In our e-commerce platform in North American stores, I talked about the Consumer Brands investments and expanded customer programs that will allow our customers to sell more of the right gallons through the department, which helps drive their profitability. And then also Performance Coatings investments in reps, services and programs that add value to our customers and allow them being more productive. And you talked about what that means going forward. And we — we believe this cycle is very similar to 2008. We continue to invest and lean forward into our customers’ success and these are the right investments. And three, five and 10-year compounded average growth rate of our North American architectural sales were high single digits coming out of that period and we believe that was a multiple of our market demand over the same period. So we believe the similar environment, we expect these current investments across all our segments will allow us to grow multiple of end market demand over the mid and long term.

The only other comment I would make on gross margin, Arun, is that in the fourth quarter we do expect to see our typical seasonal architectural slowdown in demand which does impact our gross margin historically. Historically, our third quarter is the stronger gross margin performance than the fourth quarter. Part of why we had such a strong performance last year is we did see a sequential improvement in our gross margin last year from third quarter to fourth quarter. And as you know, we get to year end, it’s a small quarter, we get into inventories, LIFO, a number of adjustments that kind of drove that improved margin last year.

Arun Viswanathan — RBC Capital Markets — Analyst

Thanks for that detail. And then also just wanted to ask about your capital allocation. You spent over $400 million on buybacks in the quarter. So nice to see that. Is that generally how you’re going to be running the balance sheet now that obviously not building cash? Maybe you can just also discuss the M&A market if there is any opportunities that you can take advantage of in the near future. Thanks.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Al will talk about the capital first and then I’ll talk about M&A.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, Arun, let me just highlight the fact we did have a bigger amount of cash on our balance sheet at the end of the quarter than normal. I would not read anything into this. We have not changed our capital allocation policy. And to your point, we are not going to hold cash. We will put that cash to work. And it was really a timing issue at the end of the quarter. We have stronger receipts in the second half of September. The strong — teams are generating stronger operating margin and cash flow from outside the US that we’re certainly going to keep bringing back to the US and putting to work. But it’s just the timing issue there.

I think you’re right. You look at the strong cash generation $2.6 billion in the first nine months, we’ve returned over $1.6 billion to our shareholders in the form of dividends and buybacks. That’s an increase of 86% to last year. And then we’ve invested $190 million in the form of capex. And we also took the opportunity to reduce our debt by just under $400 million that got our — really got our debt to EBITDA leverage back to 2.5. Going forward and looking out into next year you’re going to see the same type of process from us.

And I’ll let John talk about M&A.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I’d say, first, Arun, I think it’s important to acknowledge that in challenging times, I think you get a sense for how much discipline and conviction you have in your strategy. Things get tough. You can find your way to want to buy a book of business or let’s just buy sales or sales at any — that’s not who we are. I am really proud of our teams on an organic basis, as well as in the M&A space. We’ve got a very defined strategy that we’re working here. And we’re very — very much determined to stay on that and I’ve got great pride in the fact that our teams are doing just that.

Now that said, I’m also very pleased with the progress that we’re making in this area. We’ve got some very good discussions going on and feel good about the targets that we’re pursuing. As a reminder, the targets that we pursue largely will be in the industrial space. Targets that fill either a technology gap or strengthen a region that would help us in accelerating our existing businesses and their goals or — and establishing a position in a geography where we’re underrepresented.

Now that said, our goal is not to be everything to everyone everywhere. So we talk a lot internally about our rights to win and how we’ll go about this and bring into the market a unique and differentiated value that would help us to create shareholder value. So, I’m pleased with the progress and I think the discussions have gone pretty well here.

Arun Viswanathan — RBC Capital Markets — Analyst

Thanks.

James R. Jaye — Senior Vice President – Investor Relations and Corporate Communications

Thank you, Arun.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Bob Koort with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your questions.

Robert Koort — Goldman Sachs — Analyst

Thank you. John, just curious to that end in terms of, it sounds like mainly you’re interested in bolt-ons. In the past you’ve talked about maybe optimizing the portfolio. Are there also some assets you might look to divest or are you pretty comfortable with the portfolio you have today?

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Well comfort is not a good word here at Sherwin-Williams. We don’t like comfort nor do we like complacency, Bob. I think you know that. So we’re constantly reviewing programs, SKUs, brands, businesses. I think we owe that to our shareholders. So I think there is a very disciplined approach that we take. We’re very blessed to have four terrific Group Presidents that understand that and lead that. That’s not something that Al and I and David are pooling on. I think these are terrific leaders that understand how to make money, how to create shareholder value. So there is a constant review on all levels from businesses all the way down to — all the way down to SKU, including programs. And those programs are sometimes difficult. If you’re launching a program, it’s your baby. You want to stay close to that. But I think these terrific leaders are demonstrating a willingness to look at every decision and ensure that it is creating value.

Robert Koort — Goldman Sachs — Analyst

And most of your markets we sort of come to expect the performance that you delivered. It’s been very strong. I’d say a wide outlier was how well you did in refinish. So can you contextualize this for that? Of a $5 billion sales quarter, how much is auto refinish and what markets you’re in and how did you capture that market share, that dramatic market share relative to what the industry was doing? Thanks.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. So — thank you, Bob for that question because it’s an opportunity to talk about a wonderful team here that’s been working really hard. And it’s been unfortunate because they’ve been gaining a lot of ground in the midst of a COVID experience that’s not allowed those numbers to shine through. We don’t quantify the size of the business itself, but I will tell you that it’s been trending positive.

To your question or point, we believe that we’re aggressively growing market share here. We think it’s a combination of the technology. People have been asking about synergies with Valspar and Sherwin. This is an excellent example of some of those synergies that come through as we’ve combined the legacy Sherwin technology along with the legacy Valspar technology to come up with a system that has been — well, it’d be an understatement to say that’s been well received. It’s been terrific. I spent some time with these large customers who have converted many of those shops over to Sherwin. And I’d say it’s a combination of the technology as well as the channel model that we have. Our own stores servicing these customers. We have the same mentality through our automotive stores as we do our own architectural stores and it’s working. And it’s working aggressively and it’s a bit of a pun but we plan on putting a lot of gas in this tank.

James R. Jaye — Senior Vice President – Investor Relations and Corporate Communications

And Bob, this is Jim. What I’d add to that is auto, we saw growth in every region. So it wasn’t just one niche there. It was every region that we operate.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

I like the gas on the tank. All right.

Robert Koort — Goldman Sachs — Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Bob.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of P.J. Juvekar with Citi. Please proceed with your question.

P.J. Juvekar — Citigroup — Analyst

Yes. Good morning.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Hi, P.J.

P.J. Juvekar — Citigroup — Analyst

Your margins were up almost 600 basis points. Can you roughly break that down between sort of what benefit you got from higher volumes versus lower input costs and earlier, I think you mentioned the mix effect. Even if it’s sort of a rough breakdown, can you just sort of give us some idea how that breaks down?

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, P.J. I know you heard me say that a bunch of times, but it always starts with volume. And I talked about the mid-single digit volume growth in architectural in TAG or in North America paint stores and talk about the high 20% plus growth in our Consumer Brands Group. And we started seeing a return to sales growth with our Performance Coatings Group. So that’s always the biggest driver. We did talk about the favorable product mix and it was a little bit less than what we saw in the second quarter. As you know, raw materials moderated some. And again, we talk about our third quarter being less of an impact than the second quarter. And then we also have pricing that we had put in earlier this year. So if you wanted to force rank them, I’d start with volume being over — well over half of the increase. And then the other three kind of bucket the rest of it in fairly similar order or size.

P.J. Juvekar — Citigroup — Analyst

Okay. Thank you. And John a question for you. I mean your execution so far during this pandemic has been excellent. But just in case of scenario planning, if we have another wave of COVID and it seems like it’s already beginning, how do you think about the different businesses? Do you think DIY consumer will continue to be strong and maybe the contractor recovery is a bit slower? I’m sure you’re doing internal planning with all this. So can you just walk us through your — how you are thinking and your decision tree?

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Sure, P.J. You’re right. We do a lot of, what we call, war gaming out. And again I’ll come back to the point that I made earlier about the leadership teams that we have. We don’t know exactly how it will unfold. What we are blessed with is a lot of experience, maybe I might refer to it as scar tissue by teams at all levels that understand and can execute.

And if you don’t mind, maybe I could just take a second just to talk about why I have so much confidence in our ability to respond to whatever it might be because, yes, you’re right, we have thoughts and ideas of different scenarios. All of them come back to execution and all of the execution comes back to the people that we have, the terrific people we have in the field every day. So if I could just take a second and explain why I feel so bullish about that. I mentioned in our financial community presentation last month about the fact that our MTP program in our stores was reaching 40 years. And this is 40 years of recruiting outstanding talent, training and developing talent and retaining talent. And so when you ask why do we have confidence and why we are able to execute, we’re recruiting 1,500 college grads annually. That means we’ve got 10,000 of these college graduates throughout the Company right now. And when I say throughout the Company, I’m not just talking about in TAG. I literally mean throughout the Company. These are people that may be entered in through TAG. They understand our culture, they understand our strategy, they understand our expectations, they understand our aggressiveness and that helps us so much. In fact, the fact that people come in through that management training program, in fact 80% of our reps in our TAG business started their career in a store. And that means they understand products, they understand logistics, customer service, everything that we have. And this allows us to promote from within.

And so when we look at the leadership team that’s responding to what your question is, which is what-ifs, well, we’ve got 70% of our TAG leadership, they started in these MTP programs. So they’ve started and they understand. Everything that we’re asking our people in our stores to do, if you can imagine, having 70% of your leadership team have had that experience and they know what to do.

And that 70% then feeds our leadership and I mentioned at the financial community presentation that that talent pool continues to push up. We’ve got six Group and Division Presidents that were MTPs, 26 Vice Presidents and Senior Vice Presidents. And I was blessed as CEO to have come through this. And what all that does is it provides a clear line of sight to a career path that others can follow and that helps our retention. And I believe to answer your question, I think how we’re able to do this is it’s the retention of wonderful talented people that have the skills, resources and drives to be able to win. And I think that’s the critical component in our strategy and we’ve got a long history of it and we’ve also got a long history of very low turnover.

In fact, our turnover — voluntary turnover is around 7% to 8% and that’s with nearly 5,000 stores. I don’t think there are many companies that could push that out as a statistic, but we’re proud of that. And what that then does is it drives the retention of our overall workforce. 7,000 of our employees have more than 20 years of service and that’s about 15% of our full-time employees. We’re blessed to have that talent. And I think when you look at then all the way back, starting from the beginning, what does this allow us to do while 80% of our reps in TAG they have five years or more service. They’ve come through the stores, same with our industrial reps, by the way. But what this all means is we’ve got wonderful talent that we can retain. They are in a culture where they want to be. And so when this terrific leadership team takes the front and says follow me, our people follow and they execute better than anyone. And I’m a proud member and a small part of that because we win on the streets and I’m really proud of what our teams are doing.

P.J. Juvekar — Citigroup — Analyst

Great. Fantastic. Thank you.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, P.J.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of David Begleiter with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

David Begleiter — Deutsche Bank — Analyst

Thank you. Good morning. John just coming back to the SG&A investments in Q4. Is any way to quantify what the increase is either versus the prior year or versus Q3 in terms of this increased what has added investment?

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, David, we haven’t quantified them because we are just trying to tell you what we’ve done versus tell you what we’re going to do. I would kind of frame it this way. In the fourth quarter you do see the seasonal reduction in sales related to architectural. Our typical cadence is our SG&A spending tends to be flat from the third quarter to fourth quarter if you go back and look at it over a period of time. So you delever a little bit on a sequential basis. It doesn’t — I said we potentially delever a little bit year-over-year and not see as much benefit in SG&A as we saw in the third quarter. That’s really dependent on — I gave you a pretty wide sales range because of some of the uncertainties around different segments, general industrial and some others that we had talked about.

So as we see the continued sales momentum into November and December that will tell me the cadence of what we can put in as an investment. So we’re trying to do the pedal and clutch as one of our Group Presidents likes to talk about. We don’t want to get too far ahead of ourselves, but we’re also looking at it from the long-term and that will tell you where SG&A comes in, as a percent.

David Begleiter — Deutsche Bank — Analyst

No, very helpful. And, Al, just going back to what you said earlier, are DIY sales up 23% combined in Q2 and Q3 year-over-year?

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

That would be pretty close, yes.

David Begleiter — Deutsche Bank — Analyst

Thank you very much.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, David.

Operator

Our next question is coming from the line of Kevin McCarthy with Vertical Research Partners. Please proceed with your questions.

Kevin McCarthy — Vertical Research — Analyst

Yes. Good morning. A couple of questions on the subject of inventory. If I look at your own balance sheet, inventories declined about 8% year-over-year in the third quarter despite sales growth. And I suspect that many of your customers have been trying to manage for cash and liberate working capital as well. And so in that context, I’m wondering, do you expect to run assets harder than normal over the winter and would you expect your customers to do the same such that we might see a slightly different seasonal pattern through the first quarter of 2021 relative to normal?

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, Kevin. To your first point, you’re right. With the unprecedented DIY demand we’ve seen, we’ve been not building inventory as much as just maintaining or keeping up with the sales out the door. We absolutely are going to run our supply chain harder this fourth quarter and going into the first quarter to build inventory ahead of the spring selling season.

As far as how we work with our customers, we want to make sure we’re building the right products and getting to them at the right time. We don’t think it’s about just loading up inventory at store level, whether it’s our stores or our architectural and consumer customers, but we’re working with them. And it’s going to also depend on what the trend that we see and DIY demand coming out of the — coming into the winter here in November or December and the early part of next year and then ramping up to the spring. So that’s going to be a constant and I would tell you we are working with our customers on a daily, weekly, monthly basis to make sure we’re getting them the right products that they need.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, Kevin, I’d echo the point and I’d like to just emphasize as we look particularly on the consumer side, Heidi Petz and her team are working closely with each of those customers. We’re going to drive inventory to support those customers. And if it means putting a little more in working capital, we will do that. But we’re going to serve those customers.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, Kevin, I guess I’d be remiss if I didn’t say on the other side where we’ve been under a little bit of pressure on the Performance Coatings side, I think that team has done a really nice job controlling inventories. So we didn’t build the wrong inventory and they’ve got a lot of different programs in place to try to drive complexity out of that supply chain whether it’s SKU rationalizations, platform consolidations, and I give that team a lot of credit for maintaining a disciplined approach to inventory, whereas on the DIY side, we’re just full out. We’re making as much as we can possibly make.

Kevin McCarthy — Vertical Research — Analyst

That’s really helpful. And then as a second question for Jim perhaps. I was curious about raw materials. You referenced some recent cost inflation probably since June is my guess. But just curious if we flat line raw materials from October, what do you think that would say for the basket in 2021 versus 2020?

James R. Jaye — Senior Vice President – Investor Relations and Corporate Communications

Yeah, Kevin, what I would tell you just based on our commentary that we gave in our prepared remarks, I mean third quarter was down a mid-single digit range. And the third quarter was mainly driven again by lower costs on resins, monomers, solvents. Going into our fourth quarter, we think we’re still going to see a benefit year-over-year, but maybe not as much. We’ve seen some sequential tick up in some of the feedstocks. Propylene has ticked up here. Ethylene has ticked up. Even HDPE on the packaging side has ticked up. So we’re seeing that.

I think we start to think about ’21, it’s probably a little bit early to be thinking about ’21. We’ll give you that view in January as we typically do. But again, what I would say from a directional perspective is a couple of things. We’re seeing sequential increases. Certainly, we’ve seen a rise in oil prices which are putting pressure on some of those feedstocks. They are not always totally connected but there is some pressure there.

We’ve seen the upstream capacity from refineries, crackers PDH units, they’re managing tighter through this pandemic. So we’re seeing some tighter supply-demand scenarios there and demand is picking up. So all of those could be factors that we’re looking at. On the TiO2 side, again we’re watching that closely as well heading into next year. And it’s all about, I think what demand is going to do. To this point North American chloride been pretty stable. Chinese TiO2 players have been with some increases here recently. So a lot of moving parts there, but still a benefit in the fourth quarter and ’21 we just don’t have a lot of clarity yet.

Kevin McCarthy — Vertical Research — Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much.

James R. Jaye — Senior Vice President – Investor Relations and Corporate Communications

You bet, Kevin.

Operator

Our next question is coming from the line of Vincent Andrews with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions.

Vincent Andrews — Morgan Stanley — Analyst

Thanks very much. A quick one on interior paint. Are you noticing any regional trends, whether it’s at state level or just section of the country level as it relates to interior just thinking in terms of COVID virus trends or is there any sort of differences between how fast interior is coming back depending on which part of the country you look at?

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Not really, Vincent. I’d say it was a bit slower in some of the more urban areas, but we are starting to see some pickup in those areas as well. So I can’t just — I can’t explain it. If people are just getting tired enough to the point where they’re saying just come on in or they’re leaving or what’s happening, it’s pretty well even across the country.

Vincent Andrews — Morgan Stanley — Analyst

Okay. And then just one last question on your cost side of the equation. In the stores, now that we’re a few quarters into this, has it become apparent that you have higher costs associated with servicing customers because of COVID that you might need to recover next year or is that not the case?

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Not the case.

Vincent Andrews — Morgan Stanley — Analyst

Thank you very much.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Thanks, Vincent.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Rosemarie Morbelli with G Research. Please proceed with your questions.

Rosemarie Morbelli — Gabelli Research — Analyst

Thank you and good morning everyone.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Good morning, Rose.

Rosemarie Morbelli — Gabelli Research — Analyst

If you could go back to the consumer brands and in particular for the DIY business, can you talk about the margins and growth expectations when DIY slows down to a more normal environment post COVID? And can you give us an idea as to how much you lower the breakeven point when you look at what you did this year first nine months versus last year?

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, Rosemarie. I would say our expectations don’t get any easier. We are expecting that the investments we’re making in the programs across each of the customers are going to drive continued volume and that could be on DIY, it could be on the pro. We expect that like we’ve done over this past year is really focused on where we’re not performing as well as we could be. And we talked about the improvements we’ve made in our international businesses. And just to kind of put that in perspective, I mean, our international sales for the quarter were up 26%, flow through was over 65%. So we’re seeing the benefits of those actions as well as we had talked about the favorable product mix and part of that was exiting the Ace private label business, re-looking at our cost structure on how we support that field organization and making those changes as we need to.

So I would say just because DIY slows we should automatically expect to see our margins contract back to prior-year levels. I think the high teens to low 20%s [Phonetic] that we talked about, as you know, when we set a new high watermark, that is the new target, and we’ll talk about what we expect on those operating margins going forward in the future here.

Rosemarie Morbelli — Gabelli Research — Analyst

And following up on that, is there a difference, and I know you cannot talk about customers specifically, but nevertheless, is there a difference between the profitability level at Lowe’s versus all of the other small — smaller type of retail?

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

You’re exactly right Rosemarie we’re not going to talk about that.

Rosemarie Morbelli — Gabelli Research — Analyst

Well, I thought I would try.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you for the question though.

Rosemarie Morbelli — Gabelli Research — Analyst

And then looking at the interest expense level just quickly. Is that $83.3 million a new level or should we expect it to go down because of the timing of your debt repayment?

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

I am sorry Rosemarie. I lost the first half of that question.

Rosemarie Morbelli — Gabelli Research — Analyst

Interest expense declined to $83.3 million in the third quarter. Is that a new level or is it going to decline some more depending on when you repaid $400 million in this quarter?

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, it’s probably a good estimate going forward. We’re looking at some things with next year and even into the 2022 tranches to do something with. But I think that’s a good level right now.

Rosemarie Morbelli — Gabelli Research — Analyst

And at 2.5 times net leverage it sounded, based on previous comments, that debt reduction is no longer a priority.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

I would agree with that. We talked about not really looking to reduce debt coming into this year, but based on the circumstances and what was happening I thought it was prudent to take it down. So — but, yeah, you are absolutely correct.

Rosemarie Morbelli — Gabelli Research — Analyst

All right. Thank you.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is coming from the line of Mike Harrison with Seaport Global Securities. Please proceed with your questions.

Michael Harrison — Seaport Global — Analyst

Hi. Good morning.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Good morning, Mike.

Michael Harrison — Seaport Global — Analyst

I was wondering if you can talk about what you’re seeing in the independent dealer channel while within Consumer. Are they seeing as robust of a DIY pickup as you guys have? I guess the question I’m trying to get to are they maintaining share or are they continuing to see migration toward maybe your stores or other Company-owned stores as well as big-box retailers?

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Mike, as you know, we don’t get POS data from those independents. We do believe though that the third quarter was strong across most of the independent dealers. So it’s an environment where they are probably doing pretty well. Hard to say that they are gaining or losing share right now, real time, but I would say that they’re likely benefiting to some degree from the same nesting issue that most people in the paint business are experiencing right now as it relates to DIY.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

I think, Mike, on the long term though — I think this channel will likely continue to lose share as the pro DIY shift continues because we do believe it will go back. I know it’s shift a little bit to do-it-yourself in this cycle. But longer term, we expect this shift to go back to do-it-for-me and the continued market share gains that we see in the home centers.

Michael Harrison — Seaport Global — Analyst

All right. And then in terms of the packaging business, your results mirror that that seems to be another area where you’re doing quite a bit better than the underlying market or where some of your competitors are. It sounds like beverage can demand is really strong. Is that an area where you have relatively higher share? Can you maybe talk about differences in your mix that might be contributing to the strength in that packaging business?

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, Mike, I would tell you — it is an area of strength for us. But I would tell you as it relates to packaging, we’ve got a terrific team there that’s doing a wonderful job as well as wonderful technology. I think we’re growing share pretty aggressively in both food and beverage and we expect that to continue.

Michael Harrison — Seaport Global — Analyst

All right. Thanks very much.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Mike.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of John McNulty with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed with your questions.

John McNulty — BMO Capital Markets — Analyst

Yeah, thanks for taking my question. So you made some compelling comments earlier in the Q&A around, I guess, you kind of called them easy comps. And so, it kind of sets the stage for what should be volume growth next year. I guess with that in mind and the fact that volumes tend to be the biggest drivers of your margins, should we be assuming that there is room for updraft in the margins as we look to 2021 or are there some offtakes that we need to be considering whether it’s raw materials or temporary cost rollbacks or mix or what have you that maybe hampers that a little bit? How should we be thinking about that?

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, John, I am going to have Al answer that. But I want to make sure that I correct it. We never said easy comps, we said favorable comps.

John McNulty — BMO Capital Markets — Analyst

Fair point, fair point.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

In that entire take leadership team down there are grabbing their chests suggesting that nothing is easy down they. They are doing [Technical Issues] want to acknowledge that and say that they are favorable, not easy. Now, Al, you could answer that.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. John, we do expect to see a more normal demand environment as we go into next year. Some of the favorableness we saw in the two quarters that I talked about, favorable customer and product mix on some of the strength in DIY and volumes that we’re starting to see on Performance Coatings with the Company, our mix of businesses is going to get to a more normal level as some of these businesses where we have opportunities start coming back. That being said, I mean we’re going through our planning process. We’re going to continue to look at driving our operating margin leverage and that’s going to come from continued expansion in the gross margin and continued leverage on SG&A. And depending on what we see from a raw material environment, from a pricing environment, from a — that will kind of tell me what we can continue to invest in or where we have to get more leverage on SG&A. But we’re not that far along in that process yet. And as we have typically done, we’ll come back to you at the end of the year with our 2021 guidance and give you more color around that.

John McNulty — BMO Capital Markets — Analyst

Got it. Fair enough. And I appreciate the color. And then the other question would just be on the capital deployment side when you look at the M&A pipeline that you see right now, would you say the bid asks have started to narrow at this point or are they still relatively wide and you kind of need to see things kind of further shrink down on that before pulling the trigger? How should we be thinking about that?

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

John, I’d say they’re beginning to narrow down. We’re feeling as though some of what’s happening in the marketplace right now as people looking hard in the mirror and asking how much further and how much harder they want to run and others that are saying, I want to be a little more realistic. So I’d say that the gap is narrowing.

John McNulty — BMO Capital Markets — Analyst

Great. Thanks very much for the color.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, John.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question is from the line of Greg Melich with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your questions.

Greg Melich — Evercore ISI — Analyst

Hi. Thanks. I have two questions. Just on the pricing, has there been any pricing in Performance Coatings especially considered in that there is a capacity increase that’s now coming and then I have a follow-up?

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

On a targeted basis there has been, Greg.

Greg Melich — Evercore ISI — Analyst

Okay. Could we say that overall that there was some help to the top line in Performance Coatings year-over-year?

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yes.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, Greg, I think the way I would look at that is because Performance Coatings businesses are so diverse in product quantities and the like, I mean if you take FX out of it and currency neutral, they’d be up to [Indecipherable]. You probably split that evenly between price and mix because mix plays a part there and volume.

Greg Melich — Evercore ISI — Analyst

Got it. Thanks for that. And then on capital allocation, I just want to make sure I’m getting the pieces right here. Thanks for reminding us of how you’re doing it with the dividends and the buybacks. Capex, once you start working on the new headquarters and the R&D center and everything, should we expect that to go up to sort of $400 million? I’m just trying to figure out if the cash from ops are $2.5 billion plus where does it go now that the balance sheet is delevered.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, Greg, we’re going to have probably a couple — two years here where the facility projects are going to take us up over certainly — over $400 million depending on timing and where we’re at in that construction process. It could approach $500 million or a year. So it will be up about 2% for a couple of years. But long term, we’ll still trend it back below 2%.

Greg Melich — Evercore ISI — Analyst

Got it. And then the — it sounds like this $400 million run rate for the buyback then could become a run rate, not just a quarter.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, Greg, you look at $600 million we had sitting on our balance sheet in the third quarter, I do expect to have again strong cash generation here in the fourth quarter and we’ll use that excess cash to buy back stock.

Greg Melich — Evercore ISI — Analyst

That’s great. Good luck, everyone.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Greg.

Operator

Next question is from the line of Duffy Fischer with Barclays. Please proceed with your questions.

Duffy Fischer — Barclays Capital Markets — Analyst

Yes, good morning. Just a question on China, because it’s recovered so much faster than other geographies. It’s not a huge business for you. But can you go through kind of the end markets in coatings area and how you see those coming out of this dip? And then second follow-on to that would be is China a fruitful area to look for M&A for you guys now that you’ve got more expertise here with the Valspar acquisition?

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, Duffy, I would say that if you look at our performance coatings business five of the — actually all six of the industrial businesses — five of the businesses were positive in the third quarter in Asia. We feel there is some good momentum there and our ability to bring solutions to those customers, we think helps to differentiate us. So, yeah, we expect that to continue to grow. Adding the architectural piece as well, although it’s — I don’t know that you were asking that as much as maybe the industrial side, but we’ve got I think a terrific opportunity long term there. So we’re doing some work there and some, we believe, good groundwork that will help generations down the road, not next quarter as we establish brand and channel for the architectural side.

But if you look at our industrial businesses there, they’re all pretty strong. And as far as M&A in that market, yes, we’re interested in the right businesses there that could help to accelerate our strategy. Again, I’ll go back to the very disciplined approach that we take here which is not just buying a book of business, but something that brings value to our shareholders. If we find the right targets in there that can help us, yes, we’d be interested.

Duffy Fischer — Barclays Capital Markets — Analyst

Terrific. Thank you guys.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks Duffy.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Chris Parkinson with Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your questions.

Christopher Parkinson — Credit Suisse — Analyst

Good morning, guys. So just taking a step back from COVID factors, how should investors think about the key long-term growth pillars in PC? I assume packaging is just one area of growth enthusiasm given your consistent outperformance already. But how should we think about the other substrates and your positioning in order to outgrow the respective end market? So just trying to get a sense of your normalized PC growth algorithm. Thank you.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, Chris, we do believe that we are growing faster than market right now. And you’re right, packaging from a technical standpoint, approval process standpoint, nearly every aspect of packaging is pointing in our direction. So we’re feeling really good about that.

Talked about coil and the process that we’ve been going through and new wins or share of wallet as we’d like to say and we expect that to continue to grow. And so our expectations of that team are very high as well. I’d say we didn’t really talk about it in great depth, but we’re really proud of the industrial wood business and the performance. It wasn’t long ago that business was something like major head hurt, but I’d say it’s moving in the right direction here pretty aggressively and that team is really demonstrating the fact that they’ve got their hands around this business moving in the right direction. And I have got a lot of confidence, particularly when you look at, as I mentioned in the prepared remarks about the new residential business and the linkage between that industrial wood business and the growth there in industrial wood.

Auto, we talked about the positioning that we’ve had and how we’re growing there already. And it’s just not been as visible as we would like because of we’re only about 75% back on the road. So we often say we don’t want to be ambulance chasers but the more roads on — more cars on the road, the more refinish business there is going to be. And so we’re feeling really good about this.

Next then come the areas, GI that we’ve talked about, we love our position here. And to your point or the question earlier, I believe — I think Greg or Duffy asked about our Asia position with leadership. And we look at that Valspar leadership that came with that acquisition and we’ve often refer to that as the greatest infusion of talent in the Company’s history. And so when we look at the auto business and GI, we look at terrific technology and talent that has come here. And we expect to help — that to help our business in this GI business. Aaron Erter, our Group President of this business is really doing a wonderful job in a very challenging market and we’ve got confidence that each one of these are going to drive.

We talked earlier in the lifecycle of this acquisition about our goal to drive the operating margins here into the high teens, low 20%s and we have every, every bit of expectation and confidence that we’re going to do that.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, Chris, I’d just add to that — to that point. I mean, you look at our third quarter small sales increase of 1.2% and 110 point operating margin improvement. That just goes — and I got to highlight the team and give them credit. That goes to all the hard work they’ve been putting in even in the second half of last year as we saw things starting to slow outside of the US. They have done a really nice job of working on reducing complexity, reducing SKUs, improving their operations so that when they do get volume they’ll get more leverage on that volume coming out of this pandemic than when we went into it.

Christopher Parkinson — Credit Suisse — Analyst

Very helpful. And just the follow up would be, when we’re sitting back and thinking about DIY trends just drilling down a little bit more, can you just comment on the end market demand for stains and sealants versus interior paints? It seems the former on the demand front was very strong and you had to rise to the challenge in terms of reduction. But if we’re parsing that out next year, are there any major considerations on the best way to think about that as we head into ’21? Thank you.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

I think Chris, it goes back to the DIY comment that I talked about and the stain and sealants are in there and it’s part of that 25% that’s up — 25% of our Company that’s up over 20%. I still think we have such great opportunities in the other 75% of our Company to offset any declines in DIY that we see next year.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

We do, and we also have the most powerful brands in those areas to build on as well and a wonderful team that understands that that will execute on that. So I think we are going to be approaching this from both sides aggressively.

Christopher Parkinson — Credit Suisse — Analyst

Thank you very much.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Chris.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of David Bellinger with Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your questions.

David Bellinger — Wolfe Research — Analyst

Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking the question. So first on the Consumer Brands segment. You characterized DIY demand has elevated throughout the entire quarter. Can you walk us through what you were seeing towards the end of Q3? Is that business strengthening further even as you move into a typically lower volume Q4 period from a seasonality standpoint?

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. David it’s pretty flat. I mean if you look at it on a same-day basis, it’s pretty flat throughout the quarter.

David Bellinger — Wolfe Research — Analyst

Got it. Okay. And then just a follow-up on an earlier comment around the contractor. [Phonetic]

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

A what — about what? I’m sorry.

David Bellinger — Wolfe Research — Analyst

The pro business and the pro contractor business. Just give us an update there in terms of project backlog and bids. Is there any way to quantify that trend? And you also mentioned an uptick in the sales of spray equipment. What has that told you about the business historically and how long the sales typically track higher after those type of purchases?

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I would say that we have seen and heard from our customers that the backlog has grown in the part of our contractors as evidenced by the fact that they are bidding more and have more customers now allowing them in their homes, but still a long list of people that are hopeful that their projects would be coming in soon. I think some piece of that is going to increase with more allowing people in as they are going to be spending more time perhaps in their homes, preparing for the holidays, whatever it might be. So I’d say that the backlog is good, strong and growing on the part of our residential repaint customers.

As it relates to the spray equipment, I’d rather not give you any specifics on how long or what that means from a timings perspective. I will tell you that we see a direct correlation between the confidence of the spray equipment sales and the mentality of the contractor has before making that purchase. So when they are plucking out a couple of thousand dollars or so on a piece of equipment, they’re betting that these projects that they have coming up will allow them to pay for them. So it’s a good precursor for what’s down the road.

David Bellinger — Wolfe Research — Analyst

That’s fair. Appreciate the color here. Thanks guys.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, David.

Operator

Our next thing — next question, excuse me, is from the line of Garik Shmois with Loop Capital. Please proceed with your questions.

Garik Shmois — Loop Capital — Analyst

Hi. Thanks. So just a follow-up on the discussion of favorable comps in certain parts of TAG. Thinking about commercial and property management in particular, can these verticals be positive next year just given some of the green shoots you’re seeing right now?

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yes. Very much. We’re excited about this. Yeah, I mean these are — I use the term — I was thoughtful in using that term favorable comps. Yeah, you got commercial down low single digits, property maintenance mid single digits here in the quarter and we have a wonderful position here. Great people, great products, great relationships. Yeah, we’re going to — yes, the answer is yes.

Garik Shmois — Loop Capital — Analyst

Okay. Thanks. Follow-up question is just going back to your comment in the prepared remarks. If there is an infrastructure bill say in the first half of next year, how quickly could your wastewater business within protective and marine see the benefit?

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Well — so you’re talking about how long before bills passed and paint is applied. I mean it would vary obviously by project but I’d say you could see that in a quarter or so likely. That’s a guess on my part. I’d say our position there is very strong, particularly on water and wastewater. It’s been a good position and growing for us. But I’d say when you look at general — or I’m sorry, the protective and marine and the contractors that typically do that type of work, those are typically areas that we do very well with. So as soon as it hits the street, we would be right on top of that.

Garik Shmois — Loop Capital — Analyst

Great. Thank you very much.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Garik.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of John Roberts with UBS. Please proceed with your questions. Thank you. Is there an opportunity to further optimize your stores footprint given all the changes going on in the commercial real estate market, malls closing down and so forth? I’m sure not all your stores are in the most optimum location.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, John, we look at that on a regular basis. And the opportunity for us as markets turns change and develop. And so, the beauty of our approach is how we structure those decisions are as close to the customer as possible with support. So those decisions and opportunities are something that we leverage regularly.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, John and I would just say we have taken the opportunity to do that. We’ve closed — and when I say close, it’s a lease expiration that we then move to a different location about 16 stores in the US and Canada. We did about six last year. So a little bit stronger pace this year than last year. But like John said, it’s a regular process for us.

John Roberts — UBS — Analyst

Great. Thank you.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, John.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Eric Bosshard with Cleveland Research. Please proceed with your questions.

Eric Bosshard — Cleveland Research Company — Analyst

Can you break out at all within the pro business the difference between interior and exterior growth on the res repaint side? I know that 4Q and 1Q are bigger interior quarters. Just trying to see what the momentum and the growth profile looks like between interior relative to exterior.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Now Eric, I would tell you that we’ve spoken about the double-digit growth that we’ve seen in exterior, the very strong high-single digit growth in interior. Obviously the interior paint market is much larger than the exterior. But we’re not going to provide any more detail on our sales of those products and help you understand that.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. Eric, I think what I talked about in the second quarter or at FCP was the fact that in the out quarters our interior to exterior ratio is 4 to 1 and on the interior on the two biggest quarters it’s 3 to 1. So it was a little bit less than that in our third quarter just because of the strength in exterior.

Eric Bosshard — Cleveland Research Company — Analyst

And then the momentum within interior is that stable or is that month to month improving and that can even be anecdotal. John, I understand sort of the details of this. But just trying to get a sense on the comfort of consumers and pros of getting more active in interior.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Eric, I’d say that it’s — it is an area of comfort and confidence that we have. It’s moving. And as I mentioned earlier, it’s for the most part across the country and for the most part nearly all of our residential repaint customers. You’ll hear some pockets of concern, but for the most part, I’d say there is a strong excitement inside our building about the interior growth.

Eric Bosshard — Cleveland Research Company — Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Eric.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kevin Hocevar with Northcoast Research. Please proceed with your questions.

Kevin Hocevar — Northcoast Research — Analyst

Hey, everybody. On the — looking at Consumer Brands business, the Australia business in particular, if we rewind the clock about a year ago this was an area of disappointment. But here we are, sales are growing strong double digits. I think you guys said total international up 26%. Don’t know exactly what Australia is in there, but you guys said double digits. So curious it seems things have turned around. I’m curious how much of this is the product of the environment that everything is doing well versus the actions that you guys have taken to really improve this business. Curious the progress that we’ve seen there.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

I’d say it’s a little bit of both, Kevin. I’d say we’ve got a terrific leader. Brian Patton has done a very nice job of running all of those industrial — I’m sorry, the international architectural businesses for us. This business, as you mentioned, delivered double-digit growth and improved its profitability. And we think that we’ve definitely seen an increased effort to develop the right platform channels for distribution through our team. They’ve done a nice job of taking out costs and the actions associated with that are not always easy or fun. But this team did a really, really nice job of taking the right steps and right actions and a double-digit growth with reduced expenses and you start to see an improved bottom line.

Kevin Hocevar — Northcoast Research — Analyst

And then in terms of the guidance for the Performance segment in the fourth quarter of sales being flat plus or minus low single digits, it seems like — it seems to imply that we kind of stalled from what we saw in the third quarter, but it seems like momentum is building in all the different sub-segments within this segment. It looks like the comps are a little bit easier in the fourth quarter. And I would think that FX would be better sequentially. So that all seems to me to add up to some acceleration, but it seems like the guidance implies kind of similar results in 4Q versus 3Q. So curious your thoughts there.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, Kevin, I think one of the comments we made on GI is this an inventory build and are we going to be able to see sell-through on that inventory. And there is momentum but outside some of these markets and some of these businesses, there is still choppiness that we’re accounting for.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

I think, yeah, just sequentially we’ve seen improvement and the other thing that I like to build on Al’s point even in these challenging times of the five global business units that sit in PCG four grew in all regions. So — I mean there’s some pretty good momentum that we have coming along here.

Kevin Hocevar — Northcoast Research — Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Kevin.

Operator

Thank you. Our final question today comes from the line of Justin Speer with Zelman & Associates. Please proceed with your questions.

Justin Speer — Zelman & Associates — Analyst

Hi. Good afternoon. Thanks guys. I just had a couple of questions. One being the SG&A side of the ledger. And I apologize if this has already been addressed. But on the Analyst Day you mentioned you’re making incremental growth investments in the fourth quarter and you weren’t going to see as much leverage there. Maybe can you articulate maybe how much margin headwind is expected from that investment? Maybe can you speak to the nature of those growth investments and maybe how we should think about that going forward as you make those important — continue to invest in your business.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, Justin, what I tried to say is that we haven’t laid out the amounts that we are investing. Some of them get into very specific customers, others — we’d rather tell you what we’ve done versus what we’re going to do. But part of the leverage will depend on the cadence of how we put in new stores and reps across each of our segments and how much in the e-commerce platform are investing relative to what our volume looks like in the fourth quarter. We’re at the higher end of the volume. We may be able to get more investments in and still see an improvement and get SG&A leverage year-over-year. If we’re at the lower end of that volume range, we’re probably not going to see leverage on SG&A, because I think it’s important that we stay the course. We’re taking a disciplined approach to it. We know it’s the right thing to do long term. I’m not trying to get to a perfect quarter in the fourth quarter but we’re managing it as we go through the quarter.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. And Justin, it sounds like you mentioned that you missed — may have missed the earlier response. I think it’s important to build on the point Al made earlier which is this is very similar to the 2008 run that we experienced. We’ve got a long-tenured leadership here at Sherwin that’s been through many of these movies year before and we know how to invest. While it hits the SG&A line. I would tell you, Al and the other control — the Group Controllers that work with Al, there is a very disciplined approach in this. So this is not money that we look at spending. These are investments. And a very, very high level of discipline and expectations come along with those investments.

Justin Speer — Zelman & Associates — Analyst

Makes a lot of sense. I’ll just leave it there and appreciate your time and attention. Thank you, guys.

John G. Morikis — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Justin.

Operator

Thank you. At this time we have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I will now turn the call back to Jim Jaye for closing remarks.

James R. Jaye — Senior Vice President – Investor Relations and Corporate Communications

Thank you, Rob, and thanks to everyone for joining us today. Really appreciate your interest. Our entire leadership team, I hope you feel came through, we’re very confident, very optimistic about our fourth quarter prospects and where we’re heading into 2021. I will be available along with my colleague Eric Swanson for your follow-ups today and the rest of the week. And please contact Natalie Darr to get in the queue. So thanks again for your interest. Have a great rest of your day.

Allen J. Mistysyn — Senior Vice President – Finance and Chief Financial Officer

Thank you.

Operator

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